US As Trump Prosecutions Move Forward, Threats and Concerns Increase - As criminal cases proceed against the former president, heated rhetoric and anger among his supporters have the authorities worried about the risk of political dissent becoming deadly.

As Trump Prosecutions Move Forward, Threats and Concerns Increase
The New York Times (archive.ph)
By Michael S. Schmidt, Adam Goldman, Alan Feuer, Maggie Haberman and Glenn Thrush
2023-09-25 00:36:02GMT

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Supporters of former President Donald J. Trump outside the Manhattan Criminal Courthouse after his indictment in April.Credit...Ahmed Gaber for The New York Times

At the federal courthouse in Washington, a woman called the chambers of the judge assigned to the election interference case against former President Donald J. Trump and said that if Mr. Trump were not re-elected next year, “we are coming to kill you.”

At the Federal Bureau of Investigation, agents have reported concerns about harassment and threats being directed at their families amid intensifying anger among Trump supporters about what they consider to be the weaponization of the Justice Department. “Their children didn’t sign up for this,” a senior F.B.I. supervisor recently testified to Congress.

And the top prosecutors on the four criminal cases against Mr. Trump — two brought by the Justice Department and one each in Georgia and New York — now require round-the-clock protection.

As the prosecutions of Mr. Trump have accelerated, so too have threats against law enforcement authorities, judges, elected officials and others. The threats, in turn, are prompting protective measures, a legal effort to curb his angry and sometimes incendiary public statements, and renewed concern about the potential for an election campaign in which Mr. Trump has promised “retribution” to produce violence.

Given the attack on the Capitol by Trump supporters on Jan. 6, 2021, scholars, security experts, law enforcement officials and others are increasingly warning about the potential for lone-wolf attacks or riots by angry or troubled Americans who have taken in the heated rhetoric.

In April, before federal prosecutors indicted Mr. Trump, one survey showed that 4.5 percent of American adults agreed with the idea that the use of force was “justified to restore Donald Trump to the presidency.” Just two months later, after the first federal indictment of Mr. Trump, that figure surged to 7 percent.

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Given the attack on the Capitol by Trump supporters on Jan. 6, 2021, scholars, security experts and others are increasingly warning about the potential for lone-wolf attacks by angry Americans.Credit...Jason Andrew for The New York Times

The indictments of Mr. Trump “are the most important current drivers of political violence we now have,” said the author of the study, Robert Pape, a political scientist who studies political violence at the University of Chicago.

Other studies have found that any effects from the indictments dissipated quickly, and that there is little evidence of any increase in the numbers of Americans supportive of a violent response. And the leaders of the far-right groups that helped spur the violence at the Capitol on Jan. 6 are now serving long prison terms.

But the threats have been steady and credible enough to prompt intense concern among law enforcement officials. Attorney General Merrick B. Garland addressed the climate in testimony to Congress on Wednesday, saying that while he recognized that the department’s work came with scrutiny, the demonization of career prosecutors and F.B.I. agents was menacing not only his employees but also the rule of law.

“Singling out individual career public servants who are just doing their jobs is dangerous — particularly at a time of increased threats to the safety of public servants and their families,” Mr. Garland said.

“We will not be intimidated,” he added. “We will do our jobs free from outside influence. And we will not back down from defending our democracy.”

Security details have been added for several high-profile law enforcement officials across the country, including career prosecutors running the day-to-day investigations.

The F.B.I., which has seen the number of threats against its personnel and facilities surge since its agents carried out the court-authorized search of Mar-a-Lago, Mr. Trump’s private club and residence in Florida, in August 2022, subsequently created a special unit to deal with the threats. A U.S. official said threats since then have risen more than 300 percent, in part because the identities of employees, and information about them, are being spread online.

“We’re seeing that all too often,” Christopher A. Wray, the bureau’s director, said in congressional testimony this summer.

The threats are sometimes too vague to rise to the level of pursuing a criminal investigation, and hate speech enjoys some First Amendment protections, often making prosecutions difficult. But the Justice Department has charged more than a half dozen people with making threats.

This has had its own consequences: In the past 13 months, F.B.I. agents confronting individuals suspected of making threats have shot and fatally wounded two people, including one in Utah who was armed and had threatened, before President Biden’s planned visit to the area, to kill him.

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Jack Smith, the special counsel, has sought a gag order against Mr. Trump.Credit...Doug Mills/The New York Times

In a brief filed in Washington federal court this month, Jack Smith, the special counsel overseeing the Justice Department’s prosecutions of Mr. Trump, took the extraordinary step of requesting a gag order against Mr. Trump. He linked threats against prosecutors and the judge presiding in the case accusing Mr. Trump of conspiring to overturn the results of the 2020 election to the rhetoric Mr. Trump had used before Jan. 6.

“The defendant continues these attacks on individuals precisely because he knows that in doing so, he is able to roil the public and marshal and prompt his supporters,” the special counsel’s office said in a court filing.

Mr. Trump has denied promoting violence. He says that his comments are protected by the First Amendment right to free speech, and that the proposed gag order is part of a far-ranging Democratic effort to destroy him personally and politically.

“Joe Biden has weaponized his Justice Department to go after his main political opponent — President Trump,” said Steven Cheung, a spokesman for the former president.

But Mr. Trump’s language has often been, at a minimum, aggressive and confrontational toward his perceived foes, and sometimes has at least bordered on incitement.

On Friday, Mr. Trump baselessly suggested in a social media post that Gen. Mark A. Milley, the departing chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, might have engaged in treason, “an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the penalty would have been DEATH.” (General Milley has been interviewed by the special counsel’s office.)

The day before the threatening call last month to Judge Tanya S. Chutkan’s chambers in Federal District Court in Washington, Mr. Trump posted on his social media site: “IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I’M COMING FOR YOU!” (A Texas woman was later charged with making the call.)

Mr. Smith — whom Mr. Trump has described as “a thug” and “deranged” — has been a particular target of violent threats, and his office is on pace to spend $8 million to $10 million on protective details for him, his family and senior staff members, according to officials.

Members of his plainclothes detail were conspicuously present as he entered an already locked-down Washington federal courtroom last month to witness Mr. Trump’s arraignment on the election interference charges — standing a few feet from the former president’s own contingent of Secret Service agents.

On Friday, a judge presiding over a case in Colorado about whether Mr. Trump can be disqualified from the ballot there for his role in promoting the Jan. 6 attack issued a protective order barring threats or intimidation of anyone connected to the case. The judge cited the types of potential dangers laid out by Mr. Smith in seeking the gag order on Mr. Trump in the federal election case.

There have been recent acts of political violence against Republicans, most notably the 2017 shooting of Representative Steve Scalise of Louisiana. Last year an armed man arrested outside the home of Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh said he had traveled from California to kill the conservative Supreme Court jurist.

But many scholars and experts who study political violence place the blame for the current atmosphere most squarely on Mr. Trump — abetted by the unwillingness of many Republican politicians to object to or tamp down the violent and apocalyptic language on social media and in the conservative media.

In one example of how Mr. Trump’s sway over his followers can have real-world effects, a man who had been charged with storming the Capitol on Jan. 6 was arrested in June looking for ways to get near former President Barack Obama’s Washington home. The man — who was armed with two guns and 400 rounds of ammunition and had a machete in the van he was living in — had hours earlier reposted on social media an item Mr. Trump had posted that same day, which claimed to show Mr. Obama’s home address.

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At his rallies and in interviews, Mr. Trump has described the Jan. 6 rioters who have been arrested as “great patriots” and said they should be released.Credit...Scott McIntyre for The New York Times

In his first two years out of office, Mr. Trump’s public comments largely focused on slowly revising the history of what happened on Jan. 6, depicting it as mostly peaceful. At his rallies and in interviews, he has described the rioters who have been arrested as “great patriots,” said they should be released, dangled pardons for them and talked repeatedly about rooting out “fascists,” “Marxists” and “communists” from government.

Mr. Trump’s verbal attacks on law enforcement agencies intensified after the F.B.I.’s search of Mar-a-Lago, as they pursued the investigation that later led to his indictment on charges of mishandling classified documents and obstructing efforts to retrieve them. Some of his most aggressive comments were made as it became clear that the Manhattan district attorney, Alvin L. Bragg, was likely to indict him last spring in connection with hush money payments to a porn actress.

He posted a story from a conservative news site that featured a picture of Mr. Bragg with an image of Mr. Trump wielding a baseball bat right next to it.

In another post, Mr. Trump predicted that there would be “potential death and destruction” if he were charged by Mr. Bragg. The district attorney’s office found a threatening letter and white powder in its mailroom hours later. (The powder was later determined not to be dangerous.)

Professor Pape, of the University of Chicago, said that while the numbers of people who felt violence was justified to support Mr. Trump were concerning, he would rather focus on a different group identified in his survey: the 80 percent of American adults who said they supported a bipartisan effort to reduce the possibility of political violence.

“This indicates a vast, if untapped, potential to mobilize widespread opposition to political violence against democratic institutions,” he said, “and to unify Americans around the commitment to a peaceful democracy.”
 
"For some reason, people are upset that we're using fake charges to try and arrest the man who the majority of US citizens want to be the next President. It's ghastly!"
 
I love how these fucks cower from a bunch of fat lazy boomers who do nothing but scream threats all day they never follow through.
I mean everyone knows the other side is evil but no one wants to take the first shot. If anything is to occur realistically you need to have a George Floyd riots 2.0 and have them actually be effective.
 
I mean everyone knows the other side is evil but no one wants to take the first shot. If anything is to occur realistically you need to have a George Floyd riots 2.0 and have them actually be effective.
As bad as things are, we are all still too comfortable. Things are not bad enough that somebody is willing to become the first domino, and those that are considering it are worried that the restofthe dominos won't fall.
 
As bad as things are, we are all still too comfortable. Things are not bad enough that somebody is willing to become the first domino, and those that are considering it are worried that the restofthe dominos won't fall.
I mean continental wise north America has never really experienced starvation on a mass scale. During the American revolution most Americans could work for food cheaply, or farm, fish, or hunt all the food they needed. (In Georgian Britain one was punished for being poor by being placed in debtors prisons, poaching on the Lord's land was punishable by death. Starvation was all too common during this era.) Even during the civil war while there was starvation in the southern cities this was towards the end of the civil war. Just taking a gander through American history you don't need starvation or mass poverty to instigate a civil war.
If anything American history shows us issues that culture war issues have a nasty habit of bobbing up and creating ugly and I mean really ugly violence. It's almost usually instigated by bad leadership that turns a crisis into a shit show. See Lincoln, or FDRs embargo. America is religiously (not literally but figuratively) motivated to go to war.
 
Every time I hear “Our Democracy™️” invoked, it’s by the exact same type of bugmen and it’s nails on a chalkboard.
 
Observations.

Many believe not just the DOJ, but the entire government has been weaponized against them since Biden took over.

Many believe when 'they' allude to 'defending our democracy', 'they' really mean defending Democrat rule forever.

Many believe the 1-6 people have been punished far more harshly than the 2020 rioters, without any real justification.

Many believe the 2020 election was stolen.

Many people believe that voting is now useless, that the returns will be manipulated to produce the results 'they' desire.

Many people have absolutely no trust or faith in government/law/enforcement/the judiciary/the media/the public education system/'science' at ANY level.

Many people believe the recent charges/indictments against President Trump have been leveled solely to keep him from running again.

Many people believe that both impeachments against President Trump, especially the second one, had no real basis in fact.

Then 'they' wonder why the national level of anger is so high, and why there are so many threats being made. 'They' may wish to be less concerned about those who make threats and more concerned about those who make no threats, but simply act, such as Timothy McVeigh, who went to his grave unrepentant.

It could be said that 'they' have sown the wind, and 'they' may well reap the whirlwind.
 
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I mean continental wise north America has never really experienced starvation on a mass scale. During the American revolution most Americans could work for food cheaply, or farm, fish, or hunt all the food they needed. (In Georgian Britain one was punished for being poor by being placed in debtors prisons, poaching on the Lord's land was punishable by death. Starvation was all too common during this era.) Even during the civil war while there was starvation in the southern cities this was towards the end of the civil war. Just taking a gander through American history you don't need starvation or mass poverty to instigate a civil war.
If anything American history shows us issues that culture war issues have a nasty habit of bobbing up and creating ugly and I mean really ugly violence. It's almost usually instigated by bad leadership that turns a crisis into a shit show. See Lincoln, or FDRs embargo. America is religiously (not literally but figuratively) motivated to go to war.
Things aren't bad enough on the figurative religious side yet either. The issues with schools, homeschooling, covax requirements, and troons are what will probably push that first domino over. But no one wants to be a domino that falls by itself. We can cheer the killdozer, but did anything really change in the town? Timmy may have given the feds pause when they were dealing with the Bundy situation, but has the alphabet agencies really improved since Waco and Ruby Ridge? If you are to be a domino that falls, you are most certainly going to die. While in the events of you dying you may get some catharsis, but you probably still want it to mean something more. You want to die knowing that you're making things better, even if not for yourself. And we're all still too comfortable to risk being dominos that fall by themselves, like the January 6 folks.
 
Many believe the 2020 election was stolen.

Many people believe that voting is now useless, that the returns will be manipulated to produce the results 'they' desire.
It's funny that after Bush beat Gore the left roared the exact same 'my vote is useless' sentiment. I've lived to see Waco, 9/11, BLM summer of love, and COVID. I really don't want to see any more of these 'crises'. I guess in the grand scheme 1914-1945 had far worse issues though.
 
Professor Pape, of the University of Chicago, said that while the numbers of people who felt violence was justified to support Mr. Trump were concerning, he would rather focus on a different group identified in his survey: the 80 percent of American adults who said they supported a bipartisan effort to reduce the possibility of political violence.

“This indicates a vast, if untapped, potential to mobilize widespread opposition to political violence against democratic institutions,” he said, “and to unify Americans around the commitment to a peaceful democracy.”

Uh, maybe start by not indicting your political enemies? The hubris of these people - they are incapable of any self reflection - "how are we raising political tensions?". No, it's all the Trumpsters fault. We've now been through 7 years of this bullshit, because they never accepted Trump's election the entire time he was in office.
 
The Feds assassinated a 74-year-old man who couldn't walk without a cane (which they knew, because they had been tailing him for months) because he badmouthed the Dementia Emperor on Facebook.

The Feds have also declared that Catholics and parents concerned about their kids being raped at school are Enemies of the State. And we don't need to re-litigate the fact they murdered kids and women at Waco and Ruby Ridge.

So cry me a river if your jackbooted thugs and their families are getting "threats". You wrote the rules of engagement, not us. Should have thought of that before you decided to be willing agents of a rotten dictatorship.

If the glowies and Swamp creatures want sympathy, they can find it in the dictionary. It's between "Shit" and "Syphilis".
 
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I mean continental wise north America has never really experienced starvation on a mass scale. During the American revolution most Americans could work for food cheaply, or farm, fish, or hunt all the food they needed. (In Georgian Britain one was punished for being poor by being placed in debtors prisons, poaching on the Lord's land was punishable by death. Starvation was all too common during this era.) Even during the civil war while there was starvation in the southern cities this was towards the end of the civil war. Just taking a gander through American history you don't need starvation or mass poverty to instigate a civil war.
If anything American history shows us issues that culture war issues have a nasty habit of bobbing up and creating ugly and I mean really ugly violence. It's almost usually instigated by bad leadership that turns a crisis into a shit show. See Lincoln, or FDRs embargo. America is religiously (not literally but figuratively) motivated to go to war.
"Looking at it philosophically, one can’t avoid the conclusion that it is corruption, not tyranny, which leads to the overthrow of governments. A strong and vigorous government, no matter how oppressive, usually need not fear revolution. But a corrupt, inefficient, decadent government — even a benevolent one — is always ripe for revolution. The system we are fighting is both corrupt and oppressive, and we should thank god for corruption." - William Luther Pierce.

Think about USSR and Empire of Brazil for reference: Benevolent and universally loved Emperor Pedro pretty much allowed himself to be overthrown, while extremely oppressive USSR didnt even have major uprisings after the civil war.
 
authorities worried about the risk of political dissent becoming deadly
Pay no attention to the Bernie Sanders volunteer's assassination attempt on Republican members of Congress, Rand Paul having his lung punctured and partially removed after his neighbor attacked him from behind, or conservatives/Trump supporters that were killed because of their politics.
 
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"Looking at it philosophically, one can’t avoid the conclusion that it is corruption, not tyranny, which leads to the overthrow of governments. A strong and vigorous government, no matter how oppressive, usually need not fear revolution. But a corrupt, inefficient, decadent government — even a benevolent one — is always ripe for revolution. The system we are fighting is both corrupt and oppressive, and we should thank god for corruption." - William Luther Pierce.

Think about USSR and Empire of Brazil for reference: Benevolent and universally loved Emperor Pedro pretty much allowed himself to be overthrown, while extremely oppressive USSR didnt even have major uprisings after the civil war.
Wouldn't say that. Know of at least one GULAG uprising, and a major riot in one particular city.
 
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