Law A 5-Year-Old Pulled Down a 3-Year-Old's Pants. The Preschool Workers Are on Trial. - "We are here because one preschooler pulled down another preschooler's pants," says defense attorney Jason Flores-Williams.


Tagged: Free-Range Kids
Lenore Skenazy | 4.3.2023 5:30 PM


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The Schoolhouse (Jeffrey Beall / Wikimedia Commons)

Two Colorado child care workers will go on trial this June for presiding over a day care center where a 5-year-old pulled down a 3-year-old's pants.

Amy Lovato and Roberta Rodriguez of The Schoolhouse day care center in Poncha Springs face criminal charges for not reporting this incident to the authorities quickly enough, and for putting the children in danger.

"Let this fact not be obscured: We are here because one preschooler pulled down another preschooler's pants," Jason Flores-Williams, Lovato's attorney, told 11th Judicial District Judge Brian Green on Thursday, asking him to dismiss the charges.

Added Flores-Williams, these charges "criminalize preschool behavior by turning a 5-year-old into a deviant and a 3-year-old into a victim for acts that are neither sexual, abusive, criminal, negligent, or against any reasonable person or community standard."

Judge Green denied the defendants' motion, according to The Colorado Sun.

"This is the perfect case for the jury to hear," he announced to a courtroom that was packed with school parents who came to support Lovato and Rodriguez. The attendees expressed their feelings so loudly—sighing and groaning with exasperation—that the judge had to warn them to be quiet.

"I understand the great importance to the community, but I don't want to be sidelined or distracted," he said.

Green is presiding because the first two judges assigned to the case had to recuse themselves; their kids attend the day care center in question, Flores-Williams tells Reason.

The case against Lovato and Rodriguez seems to involve four charges, but even the judge found the case so muddled that he instructed the prosecutors to present it more cogently.

No one disputes that on January 16, Lovato was filling in as a classroom teacher because the center was short-staffed. When one of the kids wet their pants, Lovato left the classroom for between 3 and 5 minutes to clean the kid and deposit the wet clothes in the laundry. When she returned, she saw the 5-year-old "crouched over" a 3-year-old who later told Lovato that the boy had tried to pull her pants down and touch her butt.

The next day, when Lovato went into the center's bathroom, she found three kids there, including a girl with her pants down and the same boy. He was touching her butt.

The school did not ignore this misbehavior. It called the parents involved. It planned an all-school meeting on the topic of keeping your hands to yourself. Rodriguez took it upon herself to call the Chaffee County Early Childhood Council to find out what else she should be doing. She also reported the touching incidents to the child welfare department and the kids-briefly-in-a-room-without-a-teacher incident to the state licensing office.

But as the toddlers themselves discovered, sometimes there is just no way to cover your rear end. The authorities shut down the day care center midday on January 24, calling parents to immediately come pick up their kids. Terrified moms and dads raced over to find six armed deputies and a slew of cop cars.

"When they realized their children were safe, they wondered if they had been molested," reported The Colorado Sun. "Neither the sheriff's deputies or Chaffee County child welfare authorities who joined them in the raid of the child care center were providing information."

It was only two days later, during a meeting at the sheriff's office, that the parents learned what had happened.

In summary, the potential wrongdoing seems to involve not reporting the incidents immediately enough—these were officially reported to the authorities about three days later—and leaving the kids unsupervised for the briefest of moments.

The defense attorneys argued that the question of how quickly a school must report an incident of abuse is vague. So, it seems, is the definition of abuse. And so is whether leaving the room to clean off a pee-soaked kid constitutes neglect.

The problem, says Flores-Williams, is that we give child care workers enormous responsibility, "and yet we afford them no discretion in the way they handle those responsibilities."

It's also a problem that the authorities would seek to punish a preschool for being a place where there are preschoolers. Unruly kids are a fact of life, and treating a common occurrence like a criminal matter is absurd. A trial is not in the best interests of the kids, their parents, or anyone else.

"In some ways, this perfectly illustrates a system we set up that winds up leaving nothing but trauma and harm in its wake, and yet we justify it in the name of 'protecting the children,'" says Richard Wexler, executive director of the National Coalition for Child Protection Reform. "An awful lot of time has gone into this: The police had to investigate, child protective services investigated, there's a trial that's about to happen. All that time and money and effort is, in effect, stolen from finding the relatively few children in actual danger."

Wexler added that Colorado has set up a task force to study the mandatory reporting issues.

"They should look very closely at this case," he says.

But for now, the case is going to a jury. Expect more groans and sighs.

Lenore Skenazy is president of Let Grow, a nonprofit promoting childhood independence and resilience, and founder of the Free-Range Kids movement.
Tags: Free-Range Kids, Children's Rights, Children, Parental Rights, Police in Schools, Criminal Justice, Overcriminalization, Courts
 
I'm glad they're taking this kind of thing seriously but where was this level of concern when a troon serial rapist was being allowed to rape with impunity in a Virginia high school?

Also I'm not crazy about the whole "playing doctor" thing because I think it's often cited as a cover for abuse but these kids are young enough where that might be legitimate. The Virginia troon anal rapist was fucking 17 and people were acting like he was some confused little boy who didn't know forcibly sodomizing 14 year olds was wrong.
 
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lock up the little pant pulling deviant for life
 
I'm going to withhold judgement until I get more details from a less biased source. Too many times I've read these kinds of articles, only to find out later there was a lot of key details missing.
 
Important issues being taken seriously, this would never happen during drag queen hour
 
I'm glad they're taking this kind of thing seriously but where was this level of concern when a troon serial rapist was being allowed to rape with impunity in a Virginia high school?

Also I'm not crazy about the whole "playing doctor" thing because I think it's often cited as a cover for abuse but these kids are young enough where that might be legitimate. The Virginia troon anal rapist was fucking 17 and people were acting like he was some confused little boy who didn't know forcibly sodomizing 14 year olds was wrong.
Whoa whoa whoa that's a hard question to answer. Let's leave simpler and easier questions to these highly-paid advocates and their highly-paid counterparts in government.
 
I think it's amusing that there are cases like this or ones where a kid chews a pop tart into a gun that receive legal punishment, but then there are cases like clark county nevada where the students are literally trying to rape and murder their teachers and nobody does a fucking thing about it.

Yet again anarcho-tyranny rears it's ugly head in weimerican society
 
where a 5-year-old pulled down a 3-year-old's pants.

Amy Lovato and Roberta Rodriguez of The Schoolhouse day care center in Poncha Springs face criminal charges for not reporting this incident to the authorities quickly enough

I think it's amusing that there are cases like this or ones where a kid chews a pop tart into a gun that receive legal punishment, but then there are cases like clark county nevada where the students are literally trying to rape and murder their teachers and nobody does a fucking thing about it.

Take a guess why

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If only there were some alternative to placing children in for-profit day care....I'm sorry but if you can afford day care you can afford to have your wife stay at home and raise your children.

I contracted rotavirus from one of these places and was hospitalized for a long time when I was 4 years old. After that, no more day care. We took the financial hit so my mom could stay at home and raise me and my brother (he was too young at the time).

To this day I still don't like seeing people in media suffer from diarrhea or vomiting, even as a joke. I honestly feel uncomfortable seeing it.
 
. When she returned, she saw the 5-year-old "crouched over" a 3-year-old who later told Lovato that the boy had tried to pull her pants down and touch her butt.

The next day, when Lovato went into the center's bathroom, she found three kids there, including a girl with her pants down and the same boy. He was touching her butt.
THIS is the real meat to the article.

It was only two days later, during a meeting at the sheriff's office, that the parents learned what had happened.

In summary, the potential wrongdoing seems to involve not reporting the incidents immediately enough—these were officially reported to the authorities about three days later—and leaving the kids unsupervised for the briefest of moments.
The article is slightly misleading.

And apparently this 5 year old wants girls to get naked and touch their butts.

This isn't a simple pantsing. It isn't full on bad, but it's a warning sign.

But Karen Laws... ie: Mandatory Reporting Of EVERYTHING, is what's really being looked at in this case.

I'm sorry but if you can afford day care you can afford to have your wife stay at home and raise your children.
Before Covid, a lot of people didn't realize that the second income only paid for the second car, the insurance on that car, the gas for it, and day care.

Lots of people found out during Covid that the second income stream actually LOST them money.
 
I feel like we're missing a bunch of info.

Also, 3 and 5 year olds typically don't share a classroom. 3 year olds tend to be grouped up with 2 year olds or 4 year olds depending on the daycare and/or development of the child.

Why did the adults in charge of the children not keep a closer eye on the child that did the first pantsing? Legit, the next day the child succeeded in doing what he initially tried to do the day before.
 
Why did the adults in charge of the children not keep a closer eye on the child that did the first pantsing? Legit, the next day the child succeeded in doing what he initially tried to do the day before.
Because...

The next day, when Lovato went into the center's bathroom, she found three kids there, including a girl with her pants down and the same boy. He was touching her butt.
She went in there because she probably noticed that boy missing and immediately went to the bathroom.

Note that the KIDS aren't trial.

It's the caretakers. Not the kids. The workers.

Because they didn't report it fast enough.
 
The article is slightly misleading.

And apparently this 5 year old wants girls to get naked and touch their butts.

This isn't a simple pantsing. It isn't full on bad, but it's a warning sign.
That's a massive warning sign and I wouldn't be surprised if there was something going on there as kids of that age shouldn't have those tendencies.
 
If only there were some alternative to placing children in for-profit day care....I'm sorry but if you can afford day care you can afford to have your wife stay at home and raise your children.
Or the man can stay at home and look after the kids. 24/7. No breaks.

Children need to socialize. It's what pre-school is for. To make them ready for school.
Besides, it takes a village to raise a child - Pre-school is that village.
 
Or the man can stay at home and look after the kids. 24/7. No breaks.

Children need to socialize. It's what pre-school is for. To make them ready for school.
Besides, it takes a village to raise a child - Pre-school is that village.
Agreed, it doesn't matter as long as someone is home with the children.

Preschool is great, I can't remember anything bad from it, Not that I could remember in terms of mental development at the time but my dad in his home office has a small piece of burlap cloth with my handprints in green oil paint on it with a small poem about how I'd grow up and he'd remember the handprints I'd put everywhere.

Daycare nearly killed me.

Years after the fact my mom told me how disgusting the restroom was in that place and that made her decide to take me out of it, but not until the damage was done. There's a photo taken around that time shortly before I became sick with rotavirus and you can just see it.
 
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Yearly reminder that Leonore Skenazy is a lolcow, a hack, and above all, an unreliable narrator.

She is a minor lolcow in her own right. I took notice of her not long after the subway stunt pushed her into infamy. At first it seemed she made some good points, but I noticed she has no self-control, no moral brakes, no big red flag system in her brain that pops up and says "you might want to slow down and rethink this." Soon she was showcasing a literal sex criminal advocacy group on her blog and well just look

Recently, the Internet was abuzz with reactions to Dunham’s autobiography, in which the “Girls” creator admits to having been fascinated by her 1-year-old sister’s private parts when she was 7 and doing some stuff that is uncomfortable to read about. For this, some observers have branded her nothing short of a child abuser.

This ignores the fact kids are curious about everything, including — maybe especially — sex. That can lead to behavior that is not exactly pleasant to talk or think about. But calling it “abuse” ignores that:

1. Kids have always played doctor.

2. Enduring some disturbing incidents in childhood does not necessarily cripple children. Kids are far more resilient than our culture gives them credit for.

What’s more, there are consequences to “overdiagnosing” child abuse, especially when it’s another child we label an abuser. An activist friend of mine, Josh Gravens, knows this because he was labeled a sex offender for inappropriately touching his 8-year-old sister twice back when he was 12.


When Galen was a 19-year-old opera student in Indiana, he met a young man, 14, at a friend's family party. They started emailing. When the 14-year-old's mom found out her son was writing to a gay teen, she took his computer to the local district attorney, who gave it to a cop.

The cop continued the online conversation, pretending to be the 14-year-old. He asked Galen to send him gay teen porn, and when Galen complied, he was arrested for distributing child pornography. On Galen's personal computer, cops found evidence that he'd had a sexual encounter (once) with a different 14-year-old. The emails showed it was consensual, but this still constitutes rape.

She is a big advocate for normalizing kids diddling younger kids, as you can see.
 
ANOTHER STRANGER DANGER BACK HAND COMPLENTS FROM WOKE COLORADO.

ANOTHER MCMARTIN CASE TO DESTORY PEOPLE'S LIVES. TO A POINT OF CHANGING HOW THE WOKE THINKS.

I can say these things because I saw shit go down in the 80's, 90's and all the way to now.

This should have never... ever be in a court room AND YET is it...

This is why day care costs are incredibly high and normal baby sitting by teens is a bygone era in most parts of a WOKE COMMUNITY.


I have seen people's lives destroyed by false accusations.
I have seen give up on life even though they were innocent.

And in those situations I could not do a fucking damn thing. All I could do is to go to the funeral afterwards. It can not bring back the dead, so only those memories that I have about these people remains.

Common sense. A thing of the past.
 
To this day I still don't like seeing people in media suffer from diarrhea or vomiting, even as a joke. I honestly feel uncomfortable seeing it.
What if it was a journalist, leftist, or (may Allah forgive me) a public school teacher or college professor?
 
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