New York State lowers minimum scores for student proficiency in math, English - If everyone is proficient then no one can fail

Committee tells Board of Regent the lower minimum standards are the "new normal"​

Kathleen Moore
March 16, 2023 | Updated: March 16, 2023 7:27 a.m.

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Last year's much lower test scores will be the new baseline, a scoring committee told the Board of Regents, calling it the "new normal" as it lowers the scores needed to be considered proficient in math and English. (Skip Dickstein/Times Union arhcive)
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ALBANY — New York will make it easier for students to reach “proficiency” on state math and English language arts tests, calling last year’s lower scores the “new normal.”

A scoring committee that reports to the Board of Regents said Monday that they must take into account the results of last year’s tests for students in grades three through eight. Some schools posted shocking results — in Schenectady, no eighth grader who took the math test scored as proficient. And the scores for the third through eighth grade tests throughout the state were much lower in 2022 than in 2019, a result no doubt of the absence of in-person learning during the first year and beyond of the COVID-19 pandemic.

The committee handles all scoring, not just this year's changes.

In setting the lowest score a student can get to reach each achievement level, teachers on the committee consider what content a student must know, the committee told the Board of Regents.

They reorganize the tests, ranking every question from easiest to hardest based on the percent of students who got it right. Then they decide how far into the test the student had to get, in terms of correct answers, to be rated a level 3, which means they are proficient.

“How much third-grade math is just enough for me to put you in proficiency,” said Technical Advisory Committee Co-Chair Marianne Perie, explaining that they decide what is borderline but “good enough.”

Then the committee considers how many students won’t reach proficiency if they set the score at that point.

That’s where last year’s scores matter.

“Yes, there’s learning loss between 2019 and 2022, but in some ways we don’t want to keep going backwards,” Perie said. “We’re at this new normal. So for New York we are saying the new baseline is 2022.”

The committee is resetting the lowest scores — called cut scores — for each achievement level on this spring's ELA (English language arts) and math tests.
“Right now we’re setting new cut scores for 2023. This is the baseline moving forward,” Perie said.

Over the summer the committee will do the same for the U.S. history Regents exam, with the change taking effect in 2024.

Some teachers have been pressing for tests to be “re-normed” so that students can pass at a lower level than in previous years, reflecting their learning loss.

But the executive director of the Alliance for Quality Education said the whole idea of lowering the minimum score needed to be considered proficient diminishes people’s confidence in the tests.

“I think that just speaks to the politics of test scores and why so many families have been joining the opt-out movement,” Executive Director Jasmine Gripper said in an interview Wednesday.

Parents are realizing “that test scores aren’t a true reflection of learning,” she said, adding that changing minimum standards is nothing new. When she was a teacher, educators would encounter students who were rated as proficient but were not truly proficient, she said.

Board of Regents Chancellor Lester Young Jr. spoke in favor of the tests, describing a meeting years ago in which parents were shocked that their eighth graders didn’t qualify for certain high schools based on the school entrance exams, even though teachers had given the students good grades for years. He called that “unconscionable.”

Gripper agreed that parents should be told if their students are struggling, but said the state testing comes with big consequences: Schools with poor scores can be labeled as failing and placed in receivership.

“It destabilizes the school,” she said. “The most senior staff tend to leave with their expertise.”

Board of Regents member Frances Wills also questioned the tests, saying public confidence in education has declined since state testing for students in third through eighth grades began.

“In my perspective, we’re still wrestling with that: public perception of what the standardized test means,” she said.

She suggested adaptive tests, which offer easier or harder questions based on what the student gets right, as well as alternatives to testing.

“So you don’t put a test in front of a student and completely demoralize them,” she said, adding, “We’re looking at new ways to measure what students know. The idea that there’s more to a student than that standardized test.”

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I saw this coming as soon as schools switched to online classes. Math is one of those subjects where everything builds on what you've learned previously, and in an online environment it's much easier to completely lose track of what you're doing and get left behind.
She suggested adaptive tests, which offer easier or harder questions based on what the student gets right, as well as alternatives to testing.
This is a decent idea and it's a shame that it's buried so deeply in the article. I sure as shit can't do college algebra now the same way I could when I was a junior in high school, but if the tests themselves were to steadily adapt in difficulty I could probably work it out. Additionally, it would give a more accurate picture of if the student actually understands the material or not, and the questions themselves could give a clearer understanding of what the student is struggling with.
 
Great idea. Lower the standards of Mathematics just so you can have more collapsed bridges and train derailments. I know Math isn't the easiest to learn especially when people have problems with the foundational stuff, but its one of those details that make civilization work.
 
I saw this coming as soon as schools switched to online classes. Math is one of those subjects where everything builds on what you've learned previously, and in an online environment it's much easier to completely lose track of what you're doing and get left behind.

Maths is also a topic where learning difficulties compound on each other - and handling them online isn't easy, a Friends Kid during COVID got diagnosed with Dyscalcula he's fine with letters but numbers really just mess him up, the only way to work around it is in person coaching and now he's behind in maths (he get's it but the number's are fucky) but in English, Art, Geography and DT he's ahead.
 
Great idea. Lower the standards of Mathematics just so you can have more collapsed bridges and train derailments. I know Math isn't the easiest to learn especially when people have problems with the foundational stuff, but its one of those details that make civilization work.
Don't forget about doctors, nurses, and pharmacists who have to use lots of fractions and unusual measurements, such as grams and grains, for medications. There are a lot of safety issues about lowering these qualifications that will hit the job market in around a decade.
 
They did the same thing in South Africa but they did it for high school (actually I think they did it for all grades but the aim was high school).
This made the government feel and look better because they were able to inflate the high school pass rate (it's 54% by the way, 54% of students that take their final exam in highschool pass...).

Anyway I can however alleviate many of the fears you all seem to have and don't worry it's not like planes are going to fall out of the sky, or bridges are going to collapse or powerplants explode, because once those people got their high school diploma they still couldn't get a good job, they still couldn't make it into universities and they still made no meaningful contribution to society beyond being menial labourers. At the end of the day it just devalues the diploma and everyone knows it.
 
Don't forget about doctors, nurses, and pharmacists who have to use lots of fractions and unusual measurements, such as grams and grains, for medications. There are a lot of safety issues about lowering these qualifications that will hit the job market in around a decade.

Thankfully even in the US for trades like that they teach SI units, even my trade has moved over to use Metric definitions of the Inch an Foot i.e 25mm and 30cm unless what I am doing is explicitly stated as using another standard (inch, foot an yard have had a lot of variations over time and region) but even then they nearly all have a metric equivalency (I've worked in Archans the old Imperial Russian units they are odd).

I've got a excel spreadsheet just for conversions, not just length an but in weight etc and I can plug in a weight and time it was written and get the metric conversion.

The problem isn't the units of measurement it's the weird lack of consistency some industries have (Aviation is a oddly mixed one) but a lot of those places are making a concerted effort to move over to metric, I grew up at time where both where in common use and educated on them so it doesn't bother me what I use, but it's worrying that there is going to be a lot of people lacking basic working (if not technical) understandings of things like ratios, fractions, etc.
 
The are doing this to cover their ass in the future. Realistically, we could be considered lucky if 15 out of 100 New Yorkers read about this.

Of this 15 about 7 will be in support of this lowered standard. In a decade, when NY schools are failing to educate youths or they want to lower the standards yet again only about 3 will remember, with probably 1 with the courage to say anything.
 
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Reminder that New York is the USA's biggest welfare state. No one is going to use their math skills for anything but counting their gibs anyway.
 
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Great idea. Lower the standards of Mathematics just so you can have more collapsed bridges and train derailments.
If a hundred people die in Ohio that's someone else's problem. If fifty more kids don't pass math (despite the brightest of them not being able to add two digit numbers) my job might be in question!

You know, I got a friend who has some interest in intelligence and society and stuff. Of late he's stopped talking about the achievements of a society where the average person is getting smarter with each generation and started talking about ones where the average person is getting dumber. (To grossly oversimply his wording.) Inability to maintain infrastructure is one symptom. When I ask what happens after that he starts talking about inability to maintain social contracts and then he starts talking about people not being able to understand why cannibalism is a bad thing.

He moved away from the city a couple years ago. He's telling me to do the same.
 
When I ask what happens after that he starts talking about inability to maintain social contracts and then he starts talking about people not being able to understand why cannibalism is a bad thing.

He moved away from the city a couple years ago. He's telling me to do the same.
Oh. No doubt about it. The dumber people get, the more prone they are to stupid decisions that lead to more death. Irrational beliefs, cannibalism being the only option left, and the idea of a human sacrifice may be necessary to bring in good crops ala the Aztec empire. And these are the same mouthbreathers who have difficulty realizing that the internet is a great source of solutions. Anyone who plays Space Station 13 can tell you that instantly. Or take notice of what happens in South Africa and Zimbabwe.

I'd actually add an addendum to bugging off from the city. I'd suggest finding a stable 3rd world shithole to hunker down in. And that's because the standards there are so low that any cut-off or world shakeup will barely affect it. Also it helps that people there are so used to living shitty lives that cannibalism doesn't pop up. They just resort to eating less or doing drugs. Just make sure the place you're looking into doesn't have a history of cannibalism. Alternatively, a decent state that at least won't utterly erupt into nasty infighting if or when shit hits the fan. Demographics are destiny.
 
Gripper agreed that parents should be told if their students are struggling, but said the state testing comes with big consequences: Schools with poor scores can be labeled as failing and placed in receivership.
And here is one of the main problems. Do I think non-contenders should continue to exist, not really. But there should be a hard look into why that school is failing; and adjusting how you're graded to pass isn't an answer.

Anyway I can however alleviate many of the fears you all seem to have and don't worry it's not like planes are going to fall out of the sky, or bridges are going to collapse or powerplants explode, because once those people got their high school diploma they still couldn't get a good job, they still couldn't make it into universities and they still made no meaningful contribution to society beyond being menial labourers. At the end of the day it just devalues the diploma and everyone knows it.
I'd like to agree with you, but my own state of California is doing away with tests and the like for college admissions; all in the name to make things better/equal/whatever for diversity Americans. Even if all they do is end up dropping out because they can't hack it, they're taking up a spot for someone who should be there; and this also gives a benefit to foreign students who pay more to be there, and colleges do consider foreign students and what they pay to be there. If someone finally notices and tries to push a change through, the schools are gonna lower the bar to graduate the diversity Americans and while yes it will devalue the degree, graduating idiots is an overall brain drain on the nation. There's no way this ends well.
 
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