The Air nomad genocide - In honor of the frankensteined corpse that is the avatar franchise

Did the air nomad genocide happen?


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Avatar TLA might be my least favorite popular franchise. It's Harry Potter to me, I find it profoundly overrated (I've never seen it). So many manchildren basing their entire worldview and taste in media off a children's show and making video essays analyzing a standard hero's journey chaps my asshole
 
Avatar TLA might be my least favorite popular franchise. It's Harry Potter to me, I find it profoundly overrated (I've never seen it). So many manchildren basing their entire worldview and taste in media off a children's show and making video essays analyzing a standard hero's journey chaps my asshole
Actually, is more like the wuxia genre interpreted by westerns in simple words.
But yeah, the fandom is fucking toxic in so many ways.
 
Aang also killed like 4000 people (assuming an average compliment of about 500 people or so per cruiser/battleship, even if its smaller he still drowned several dozen warships worth of people) during the water finale when he drowned the fire nation battleships. Is that ever adressed anywhere in complimentary material?

The excuse is that Aang was controlled by the Ocean Spirit and that he isn't fully culpable for his actions. That excuse is used for a variety of moments when Aang is under the Avatar State to say he wasn't fully under control of his actions, thus he hasn't killed anyone.

This excuse loses teeth when viewing the Northern Air Temple (the Mechanist episode) where Aang, under his own faculties with no avatar state, caused an avalanche to fall on Fire Nation soldiers marching up a mountain. This is where I really question the "I avoided killing anyone" stance Aang takes since an avalanche on that many people is bound to have crushed or suffocated someone.

This episode also adds to the question of the Air Nomad Genocide. This episode depicted how non flying people would get to the Northern Air Temple, by walking up the mountain. We know that, despite Aang's protests to the contrary, when pushed Air Nomads are willing to kill as Aang's teacher demonstrated.

People say that Fire Nation soldiers could have flied due to the power increase of Sozin's Comet, but I disagree because the only Fire Benders depicted as flying using only Fire are Azula, Ozai, and (I believe) Jeong Jeong. These three are bending masters and prodigies with other Comet boosting Fire Benders requiring zeppelins to fly themselves around to burn the Earth Kingdom (which is another idiotic plot to showcase how evil the Fire Nation is, the Zeppelins weren't even near a settlement when they started burning random patches of earth).

So with no flight and a demonstrated weak attacking position, how did the genocide happen, unless the Nomads were gullible enough to allow an entire Army to march up to their temple and then they started killing everyone.
 
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This episode also adds to the question of the Air Nomad Genocide. This episode depicted how non flying people would get to the Northern Air Temple, by walking up the mountain. We know that, despite Aang's protests to the contrary, when pushed Air Nomads are willing to kill as Aang's teacher demonstrated.

People say that Fire Nation soldiers could have flied due to the power increase of Sozin's Comet, but I disagree because the only Fire Benders depicted as flying using only Fire are Azula, Ozai, and (I believe) Jeong Jeong. These three are bending masters and prodigies with other Comet boosting Fire Benders requiring zeppelins to fly themselves around to burn the Earth Kingdom (which is another idiotic plot to showcase how evil the Fire Nation is, the Zeppelins weren't even near a settlement when they started burning random patches of earth).

So with no flight and a demonstrated weak attacking position, how did the genocide happen, unless the Nomads were gullible enough to allow an entire Army to march up to their temple and then they started killing everyone.
The fire nation could have snuck few of its bending masters on the temples as pilgrims/merchants and had backup force midway down the mountain so that the former would make a decapitation strike while the latter would kill anyone running away and eventually link with the primary force to kill the problematic targets. That sort of works considering a bending master could outdo several times his number (and a soldier would be more mentally and physically able to kill). Even if it will take more than a day, as long as pressure keeps going it will probably be enough to wipe out everyone.
Though the big problems are:
1. It's assuming that every temple will swallow the bait and not see through the disguises.
2. The concept of merchants/pilgrims exist.
3. It's really stretching the capability of the fire nation army who'd also need a ton of people to push into the fire nations.

It also brings the problem of the 4 bending nations being completely disproportionate, despite you'd think that they'd naturally fracture due to differences in ideology.
 
The excuse is that Aang was controlled by the Ocean Spirit and that he isn't fully culpable for his actions. That excuse is used for a variety of moments when Aang is under the Avatar State to say he wasn't fully under control of his actions, thus he hasn't killed anyone.

This excuse loses teeth when viewing the Northern Air Temple (the Mechanist episode) where Aang, under his own faculties with no avatar state, caused an avalanche to fall on Fire Nation soldiers marching up a mountain. This is where I really question the "I avoided killing anyone" stance Aang takes since an avalanche on that many people is bound to have crushed or suffocated someone.

This episode also adds to the question of the Air Nomad Genocide. This episode depicted how non flying people would get to the Northern Air Temple, by walking up the mountain. We know that, despite Aang's protests to the contrary, when pushed Air Nomads are willing to kill as Aang's teacher demonstrated.

People say that Fire Nation soldiers could have flied due to the power increase of Sozin's Comet, but I disagree because the only Fire Benders depicted as flying using only Fire are Azula, Ozai, and (I believe) Jeong Jeong. These three are bending masters and prodigies with other Comet boosting Fire Benders requiring zeppelins to fly themselves around to burn the Earth Kingdom (which is another idiotic plot to showcase how evil the Fire Nation is, the Zeppelins weren't even near a settlement when they started burning random patches of earth).

So with no flight and a demonstrated weak attacking position, how did the genocide happen, unless the Nomads were gullible enough to allow an entire Army to march up to their temple and then they started killing everyone.
They followed the wisdom of the Northern Air Temple.
If you kill your enemies they win.
 
The fire nation could have snuck few of its bending masters on the temples as pilgrims/merchants and had backup force midway down the mountain so that the former would make a decapitation strike while the latter would kill anyone running away and eventually link with the primary force to kill the problematic targets. That sort of works considering a bending master could outdo several times his number (and a soldier would be more mentally and physically able to kill). Even if it will take more than a day, as long as pressure keeps going it will probably be enough to wipe out everyone.
Though the big problems are:
1. It's assuming that every temple will swallow the bait and not see through the disguises.
2. The concept of merchants/pilgrims exist.
Though the big problems are:
1. It's assuming that every temple will swallow the bait and not see through the disguises.
2. The concept of merchants/pilgrims exist.
Afaik the air nomands are called that because they travel around a lot with the temples serving as pitstops, so pilgrims/merchants aren't an issue but what IS an issue is that air nomads are unique in that they are the only nation where every single member is a bender with zero non benders and zero exceptions because of how spiritual they were as per the creators. (I mean you know until legend of korra came around and fucked that up too with Bumi.)

You can't pretend to be an air nomad because everyone will be instantly able to tell with your lack of airbending.

As for the decapitation strike, that kinda works both ways doesn't it? Temples are filled with literally the cream of the crop of airbending masters and if Gyazo can 1v50 comet empowered firebenders by making Vacuums I don't see how any ammount of firebenders could take on airbending masters on their home turf seeing as apparently airbending counters firebending and that the temples are not built to be navigatable by non airbenders.
 
Obviously, genocide occurred, but not necessarily all the air nomads died.
It is enough to destroy enough aerial Tibetans so that the rest dispersed and were assimilated into the great earth empire of China.
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Afaik the air nomands are called that because they travel around a lot with the temples serving as pitstops, so pilgrims/merchants aren't an issue but what IS an issue is that air nomads are unique in that they are the only nation where every single member is a bender with zero non benders and zero exceptions because of how spiritual they were as per the creators. (I mean you know until legend of korra came around and fucked that up too with Bumi.)

You can't pretend to be an air nomad because everyone will be instantly able to tell with your lack of airbending.

As for the decapitation strike, that kinda works both ways doesn't it? Temples are filled with literally the cream of the crop of airbending masters and if Gyazo can 1v50 comet empowered firebenders by making Vacuums I don't see how any ammount of firebenders could take on airbending masters on their home turf seeing as apparently airbending counters firebending and that the temples are not built to be navigatable by non airbenders.
What does happen to non air bending children? Chances are that they given to foster families, but that's giving away a 6-7 year old child (assuming at that age they know for sure) to some dirt farmer and hoping for the best. That's pretty horrific.

Anyways I always thought they were more hermits than nomads and that just rolled better on the tongue. And I'd imagine they will have trade with the outside world or just people who'd want to visit. Also almost certainly very few air benders will learn techniques that are combat centered and even less ones that grievously injure others.

A thought I had is that all the air Nomads had to do was escape to the inner most earth nation, but the fire nation could have put bounty on them to finish the job, which would be a cool idea to a show.
 
What does happen to non air bending children? Chances are that they given to foster families, but that's giving away a 6-7 year old child (assuming at that age they know for sure) to some dirt farmer and hoping for the best. That's pretty horrific.
That's the point, there are none. If an airbender has sex with someone the offspring is either always an an airbender or other type of bender because of how close airbending is to the spirit world.
Anyways I always thought they were more hermits than nomads and that just rolled better on the tongue. And I'd imagine they will have trade with the outside world or just people who'd want to visit. Also almost certainly very few air benders will learn techniques that are combat centered and even less ones that grievously injure others.
No, they do travel all around the world, they are nomads, not hermits. Anyway, the point is that blending into the air temples is impossible unless you're a bender and airbending masters, even pacifist ones like gyazo, are more than capable of curbstomping firebenders.
A thought I had is that all the air Nomads had to do was escape to the inner most earth nation, but the fire nation could have put bounty on them to finish the job, which would be a cool idea to a show.
Innermost earth nation or northern water tribe. You'd think at least by chance a handful of airbenders would live in ba sing se (being nomadic and all).
 
Wait, it just dawned on me. How can air benders be both vegetarians and nomads at the same time? You can be either vegetarian but lead a settled lifestyle with mass farming or be a nomad and eat the meat of herds driven with you, such as bison that can fly... oh


By the way , if they were inspired by Tibet when they were created , then we should expect a rewriting of the history of blood sacrifices and the demand for human skin sacrifices too .
 
If the premise of the original show (not just the last airbender but the last of his people) is upheld, Air Nomads are well and truly genocided, genetically and culturally.

Obviously the most logical and satisfying explanation would be for Aang to breed every female in the show and for Tenzin to have his own harem.
Genetically, Aang's children are 50% Air and 50% something else, and his grandchildren are 25% Air and 75% something else assuming no incest. That number is NEVER going up. The only way for it to go up is for Aang to fuck his daughter(s) to produce 75% Air incest babies, and even then it's a temporary reprieve without more incest. But the hard rule is a human population needs a diverse genetic pool of 2500 to 5000 individuals to prevent degeneracy, there's no way to cheat around this. A stable reborn "Air Nation" will be 0.03% Air and 99.97% something else. If Aang and his son get harems, their descendants will still need to get down to 0.03% Air (specifically 0.03% Aang) to be able to start fucking endogamously.

No single person can contain a culture (in no small part because a lot of culture is interpersonal), especially not a young child. Maybe Aang can tap into avatar memories to reconstruct the airbending martial art, but he can't do the same for other art and material culture. He knows next to nothing about Air Nomad lifestyle, not having been an actual nomad, he was a monk from birth. Aang was unable to motivate even his own children - two of the three don't give a rat's ass about the Air people. His lib female groupies want to meditate and sip lattes in a "conscious community", not to compost air bison shit.

Later, in Whorra, newly awakened airbenders don't want to drop everything and resettle in bumfuck nowhere. Aang the Avatar was a novelty, Tenzin the bender is not, they have benders at home. Tenzin threatened this soy-looking guy, and he still would not - wait for it - bend (badumtish). Tenzin was only able to recruit one young boy, the retarded princess, and the airbenders the Earth Kingdom was forcibly training in-house. Apparently no one wants to train as an airbender unless forced to. And still they're air temple monks, not air nomads.

We also don't know if reemerged airbending is heritable.

Now this is interesting:
Aren't they not meant to even have relationships? Isn't anng confused about his peenor feelings in it?
Whorra's season 3 says airbenders get weaker if they have worldly concerns such as sex. This means Tenzin is an extremely shitty airbender, being a father and a leader of a people and a councilmember of fucking Republic City! However, this also suggests that airbending monks are celibate runoff of the general nonpracticing nomad populace, which means bending strength does not get bred out. It's still a question if airbending talent can be preserved in a non-Air population of Aang's descendants, but it's a possibility. The martial art will have to be rediscovered.

Finally, culture must be living. Technology advanced leaps and bounds within two generations, but there have been no people to carry Air Nomad culture into the new age.

That Lion Turtle deus ex machina only comes out so Aang won't have to compromise his morals while saving the world.
What morals? Aang comes off as an autistic little shitwhore here, devoid of morals, empathy, and inherent childish goodness his character seemed to suggest throughout the show. "Killing is baaad! let's effectively castrate him and stick him in solitary for life!"

(Later, in Whorra, Zaheer's gang were sentenced to solitary and torture for life just for trying to kidnap Whorra, which retroactively shits on Iroh's character and the original show. Libs sure love torture.)

That's the point, there are none. If an airbender has sex with someone the offspring is either always an an airbender or other type of bender because of how close airbending is to the spirit world.
I know the wiki says this but it sounds sus.
- Aang was as close to the spirit world as possible, and his first son Bumi was a nonbender before the dimensional merge.
- Benders were trained in Temples - this would mean all children of the Air Nomads were taken away from their nomadic parents and raised in sex-segregated temples. This (1) is fucked up; (2) means that, as training takes time, children are learning the temple culture from monks and not the secular traditions of their nomadic parents.
- air bison are rather intelligent if not outright sapient; while it's safest to fly if you're an airbender, it's not a requirement, as evidenced by Katara and Sokka.

Looks like the lead writers never bothered to properly design the Air civilization, and then proceeded to fart incoherent shit when asked by interviewers or needing to give directions to sourcebook writers.

How can air benders be both vegetarians and nomads at the same time?
They have flying bison which travel around the world faster than the seasons change, they can migrate and live off the land. They can also drink and process bison milk.

OP:
And the avatar, the only person that can quantify this story using their past lives CANNOT because CONVENIENTLY that's also the exact time that the avatar lost that ability?
I'm not sure what you mean by "quantify", but Whorra (or any other Avatar) can't prove shit. She can say she got a particular piece of info from a predecessor, but you can't verify that.

Furthermore, wrt the genocide, no Avatar witnessed that - Sozin started the campaign after Roku's death, and the one alive during the time was Aang, who'd run away and hid; he only learns of the genocide in ep 3, and in ep 10 he's still hoping that the inhabitants of the Northern temple are Air people.

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On a side note, Whorra's dimensional merge must have had catastrophic consequences and killed many more people than Sozin.

The original series works because it doesn't have to answer this question, but any followup would have to.
It's not the only question a followup had to answer and shat the bed!

Another one is "what happens when the good guys win and the baddies are no longer in power". The original series is "plucky rebels against the world". Authorities in it are at best nasty and uncooperative and often outright evil, and Aang and company oppose them wherever they go.

And when "the good guys" win, turns out the replacement is worse. Notice how everyone who's anyone in Whorra is in some position of authority. Four of the five villains in Whorra (Amon, Tarrlok, Zaheer and company, Kuvira) have purely political goals and are less evil than their enemies. The one proper apocalyptic threat is Unalaq, but after Whorra kills him, she follows through with the apocalypse!

And Whorra (the show) kills a lot of people! It's a political show with an older character, and the Avatar's abilities as an intermediary between cultures, negotiation and reconciliation, should've come in useful. But Whorra is too dumb for this; so if you oppose the Globalist Avatar Empire, more often than not you're going to fucking die.
 
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It's Harry Potter to me, I find it profoundly overrated (I've never seen it).
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It's beloved because, by typically children's cartoon fare, it tells a fairly mature and epic story in an unconventional setting. A huge amount of cartoons, from that era and now, are basically just sitcoms or were toy commercials, and it stood out because it had a rich fantasy world (but an Asian-based fantasy world, which was novel) with its own original magic (elemental martial arts). It managed to deal with subject matter like the suffering of war, genocide, imperialism, etc. in a way that was serious but not totally over the heads of its audience of children. I think of it less like Harry Potter and more like Lord of the Rings for kids, that may sound weird especially since Avatar has way less worldbuilding and has way more goofy in it, but thus the "for kids" part. It has, considering its target audience, a respectable amount of character development and moral nuance. Most all of the characters, even the villains, have respectful traits that make them good role models, I think everybody who watched it loves Uncle Iroh, and I think Katara is a top-tier example of a strong female character.

I don't have any problem with Harry Potter either, though. I read all of them, don't really remember them. (I do remember Avatar a lot more vividly.) Avatar's one I'd consider a classic for giving to hypothetical kids, is part of a list of media I consider enriching.

I mean, any time adults wallow in fandom for children's stuff that's kind of sus and not good, but at the same time I think looking back on quality children's entertainment and understanding what made it quality is worthwhile. A large chunk of kid's cartoons today are written by pedophiles to groom your kids, and they get away with it because normalfaggots think it's beneath them to even look at what's on the TV right in front of them when Little Johnny is watching it.
 
I think everybody who watched it loves Uncle Iroh.
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and I think Katara is a top-tier example of a strong female character.
Meh, any main female character from ATLA is top-tier actually.
  • Toph: Literally one of the best earth benders walking in the planet and have a nice character arc about hating the rich life.
  • Azula: Literally one of the best fire benders walking in the planet and have a deep character arc about hating her mother.
  • Ty Lee: A excellent non-bender fighter. idk remember if she had a character arc.
  • Mai: A excellent assassin-like fighter. I only remember the "affair" with Zuko but very bad developing.
I know Katara is pretty good, having a revenge-eske character arc and such but fucking Bryan writing her as "her waifu" creep me out every time.
 
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Meh, any main female character from ATLA is top-tier actually.
  • Toph: Literally one of the best earth benders walking in the planet and have a nice character arc about hating the rich life.
  • Azula: Literally one of the best fire benders walking in the planet and have a deep character arc about hating her mother.
  • Ty Lee: A excellent non-bender fighter. idk remember if she had a character arc.
  • Mai: A excellent assassin-like fighter. I only remember the "affair" with Zuko but very bad developing.
I know Katara is pretty good, having a revenge-eske character arc and such but fucking Bryan writing her as "her waifu" creep me out every time.
What I mean about strong female characters is not literal strength, but more like the old meaning of a female character that is well-written, has redeeming characteristics, isn't just a prop. Katara does have lots of physical strength that comes from the magic of the setting, but she's also feminine/motherly, and mature, and in a way that's fitting to her background (subsistence hunter-gatherers living under war conditions). In contrast to the "Mary Sues" and the shrieking shrews you get in a lot of modern popular culture.
 
@Safir

- Aang was as close to the spirit world as possible, and his first son Bumi was a nonbender before the dimensional merge.
Yeah that's my point, whorra writers fucked it up. This is a plothole.
- Benders were trained in Temples - this would mean all children of the Air Nomads were taken away from their nomadic parents and raised in sex-segregated temples. This (1) is fucked up; (2) means that, as training takes time, children are learning the temple culture from monks and not the secular traditions of their nomadic parents.

There were both temples and nomads afaik. You went to a temple if you wanted to become a master, but casual air nomads still existed, otherwise the whole "nomad" moniker doesn't even make sense and neither does "all nomads are benders".
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Meh, any main female character from ATLA is top-tier actually.
  • Toph: Literally one of the best earth benders walking in the planet and have a nice character arc about hating the rich life.
  • Azula: Literally one of the best fire benders walking in the planet and have a deep character arc about hating her mother.
  • Ty Lee: A excellent non-bender fighter. idk remember if she had a character arc.
  • Mai: A excellent assassin-like fighter. I only remember the "affair" with Zuko but very bad developing.
I know Katara is pretty good, having a revenge-eske character arc and such but fucking Bryan writing her as "her waifu" creep me out every time.
Strong female character doesn't mean "can beat up a lot of dudes". That's just a male character with tits. Physical violence is generally speaking a male character trait because men are better it.

The reason katara is a great female character is because she's great in a way a way that highlights the fact that she's female, she's a motherly caretaker concerned with keeping her friends and family safe. She acts like the mother of the group. Its a character that only a female character could play.

Toph is still a fun and well developed tomboy and wouldn't work as man and Azula is femme fatale so she couldn't be genderswaped either.

Ty Lee and Mai are just faceless goons that are good at doing the violence, you could replace them with men and nothing would change.
 
Oy vey never forget the 6 gorrilion!

Yeah, the more you think about the air nomads in general, the less sense they make, period.

Without comet fuelled jet flight the fire nation would have failed miserably seeing how an inventor and rag tag group fucked over a fire nation attack with their current tech, I doubt they had half those toys during the genocide.

It worked as a story beat, but any scrutiny kills it.

Also fuck the lion turtle asspull.

Outside of that, I still love the original avatar (fuck whorra and fuck the cat smurfs) and believe it holds up pretty well, it's also one of the last fee good things to come out till woke ruined everything.
 
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