You say "abandon science" as if there isn't scientific stuff behind Trans stuff. You could always idk, do more research.
Most prominent troons have moved on from "gender and sex are different" to "we ARE biologically female!". This is not a pro-science movement. It's one that relies on being anti-science and silencing dissent via censorship.
What research do you want me to do exactly?
I don't agree with pushing this stuff on kids, I feel like children shouldn't really know the intense stuff about it, and it should be up to parents to teach their kids, or when the kids get old enough, they can search it on their own. But you guys are very nickpicky when it comes to the Trans people you choose the focus on. Not all Trans people or pushy, most really do just try to live their life, and maybe share experiences or other ways to feel comfortable with themselves.
This is a website all about "lolcows", so of course people here are going to focus on the craziest loons, but who are the reasonable voices in the trans community that have a decent size following?
Here's just a couple of talking points that I think are totally reasonable: -
- People should not be making threats of violence towards JK Rowling
- It's impossible for a person to change their biological sex
- We don't know enough about the long-term effects of cross-sex hormones and puberty blockers to conclude that they are 100% safe, especially when talking about giving them to children
- Promoting the use of home-made HRT is a bad idea, especially if that's being pushed on children
Maybe you disagree with some of these points, but if you agree with them - name a single prominent trans person or trans activist who also agrees with them, who isn't constantly abused and harassed by other troons/TRAs.
When there's a group of people who are fighting for people to see them as equal, there's always going to be people who try to take advantage, like what you said with sports. But that will also go with concerns of Trans woman going into woman bathroom, and vice versa. There's going to be people who want to get those extra minority points, ya know. It happens with every minority because there are very shitty people out there, but we shouldn't count those people as part of whatever group they're trying to be apart of because they simply aren't part of that group.
I didn't used to have much of an issue with trans people using the bathrooms that are meant for the sex they identify as. Also, there are trans people who pass, so I don't see the sense in forcing a FTM trans person who has a beard and looks like a bloke to use a female bathroom, when that would likely just cause women to think "what's that man doing in here?".
But the problem is, with troons it's all or nothing. There's no discussion. So some 6'2" bloke with a beard and a 10" cock who says "I'm a woman now" should be allowed to swing his big dick around in front of little girls in female changing rooms according to them. Fuck that shit.
Also, there used to be a Twitter account that documented cases of troons posting selfies from inside female toilets, and they'd often have their erect dicks out. They were getting off on the fact that they were in there, and not just that - they were publicly flaunting that on social media, knowing that there's nothing anyone can do about it.
So, if those people really are the small minority of bad apples, they're your bad apples to deal with, but again, I would ask where are the reasonable voices in the trans community on this? Where are the troons and TRAs that care about women's comfort, who want to find some kind of workable compromise? Cos I don't see them.
I know this isn't in the order of your post, but about the whole "No life thing" it's hard to stay quiet when people are constantly shitting on you for existing. My last post did have a mean tone to it, and I'm sorry. I'll try to be more civil in the future. : )
You've been perfectly civil as far as I'm concerned, so no need to apologise. If you're trans, which I assume you are, good on you for coming on here and posting.
Ultimately, I would love it if we could find a way to make everyone happy on this issue, but I think it's impossible. I think it's impossible to give trans people what they want without stomping on women's rights, and from where I'm standing, it's only women who are being expected to accept a rollback of their rights.