US Vets stage sit-in at Capitol over burn pits vote - A group of veterans is staging a sit-in at the Capitol in response to Senate Republicans blocking a bill that would extend health care benefits to millions of veterans who were exposed to toxins during their service.

A group of veterans is staging a sit-in at the Capitol in response to Senate Republicans blocking a bill that would extend health care benefits to millions of veterans who were exposed to toxins during their service.

Twenty-five senators went from supporting the Sgt. 1st Class Heath Robinson Honoring Our PACT Act when it passed the Senate 84-14 last month to helping filibuster the bill when a technically updated version was blocked 55-42 on Wednesday.

“We got punched in the gut, right by those 25 senators that flipped their vote from yesterday,” Burn Pits 360 Executive Director and co-founder Rosie Torres told The Hill late Thursday.

Torres said the veterans rights group was spending the night on the steps of the U.S. Capitol “as a message to those senators, those 25 senators and asking them to right the wrong.”

“They shouldn’t be here, and to know that we’re in that America where they’ve turned their backs on veterans and their families are sick and dying. It’s disgusting. But if this is what we have to do to get the bill passed, and at all costs, all measures, we’re going to get it done,” she said.

The group later tweeted it would remain outside the Capitol until the next cloture vote on the bill, which is expected Monday.

The PACT Act was initially passed by the Senate before being tweaked by the House and sent back to the Senate for a second vote, where 24 Republicans and one Democrat voted against the bill.

“This is what it’s come to. Veterans. The sick, the dying. Fed up. Pulling an all nighter to support their fellow vets. This is the hell their service has brought them,” comedian Jon Stewart, a longtime advocate for veterans’ and first-responders’ health care, tweeted in response to the announcement of a “Fire Watch” hosted by veterans on Thursday night.

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but why? we had the technology to burn stuff faster and cleaner than a fucking pit for centuries...
The cost of a fancy new waste incinerator and it's ancillary staff is considerably more than a Caterpillar D9, a road flare, and a guy who legally can't tell you "no".
 
Like it or not, vet disability is one of the biggest grifts of our generation. I'm all for vets actually wounded in combat getting lifetime bennies, no shit, but in the age of the FOB Burger King, 40% of vets being permanently "disabled" is just another burn pit for cash.
Yeah a lot of millennial age (and even Vietnam era) vets that I’ve had real life contact with have told me that they’d ham it up when getting evaluated at the VA so they can get extra gibs. I don’t know how to feel about it because on the one hand, it’s my tax dollars but on the other hand, they were basically used as pawns for the nation of Israel
 
I'm willing to bet it's the "Testing HR personnel" that got it hit.

Still, fucking burn pits were the worst.

I wouldn't count on the government really paying out for them until the worst cases are dead. It's what they did for Agent Orange and Gulf War Syndrome. (Hell, they still do everything they can to avoid paying the Desert Storm guys, up to and including trying to claim that the service member wasn't in Desert Storm, and even if they were, the illness that only could be contracted in the Gulf isn't related to their Gulf War service, and even if it was, it was a pre-existing condition. Most Desert Storm guys just gave up)

It wasn't just feces and paper in the burn pits, if it was anything like the Desert Storm/Shield ones. We're talking biowaste (tampons and shit), aluminum, records, rubber, wood sprayed with PCP or DDT or what the fuck ever, all kinds of shit.

Hell, the Thursday Burn Pit would give you a bloody nose at Log Base Alpha. The Saturday one at Log Base Echo would give you bloodshot eyes and nosebleeds for a day or two.

But, totally OK.

They aren't going to fucking pay out, because you get back pay for that shit, and someone will slide up and go "Well, we'll have to pay out $22 million in backpay" and the politicians will clutch their wallets and go "Fuck 'em, let 'em die."

This shit is another reason I tell people not to join.

Oh, and high temp incinerators, like we had at Umatilla and Johnston Atoll, fucked up too. Lots of coughing up blood for a few days after you got done burning the shells.
 
Twenty-five senators went from supporting the Sgt. 1st Class Heath Robinson Honoring Our PACT Act when it passed the Senate 84-14 last month to helping filibuster the bill when a technically updated version was blocked 55-42 on Wednesday.

“We got punched in the gut, right by those 25 senators that flipped their vote from yesterday,” Burn Pits 360 Executive Director and co-founder Rosie Torres told The Hill late Thursday.
Democrats: Hey, check out this bill!
Republicans: I like this bill. This is a good bill. Let's pass it.

one month later

Democrats: Remember that bill from last month? I made a few changes, take a look.
Republicans: This isn't what we agreed on.
Democrats: omg why are you changing your mind for no reason why do you hate our troops
 
Like it or not, vet disability is one of the biggest grifts of our generation. I'm all for vets actually wounded in combat getting lifetime bennies, no shit, but in the age of the FOB Burger King, 40% of vets being permanently "disabled" is just another burn pit for cash.

The real solution is stopping endless wars in fucked up places, but good luck with that.

See https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2020/06/who-are-the-nations-veterans.html

Just another form of welfare. Easier to digest because they served though.
Thing is those REMF (myself included) still got fucked (especially if deployed like in my case). In the late 90s we were all made to get the anthrax vaccine, if not your were separated. About 15 years later I start having severe neurological issues. Turns out with no family history or any other risk factors for it I had developed an autoimmune disorder, which has completely disabled me. Thousands of vets were in the same position. And that's not even including burn pits and various other "hazards" vets could run into. Hell from 1953 until 1987 the entirety of Camp Lejuene's water supply was contaminated by some pretty toxic chemicals. This affected civilians, military families, grunts, POGS, etc.
 
Like it or not, vet disability is one of the biggest grifts of our generation. I'm all for vets actually wounded in combat getting lifetime bennies, no shit, but in the age of the FOB Burger King, 40% of vets being permanently "disabled" is just another burn pit for cash.

The real solution is stopping endless wars in fucked up places, but good luck with that.

See https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2020/06/who-are-the-nations-veterans.html

Just another form of welfare. Easier to digest because they served though.
Servicemen make jokes about VA disability all the time. Honestly subsidizing veterans is the least onerous form of welfare. They served the country (even if they were a nonner/POG) and deserve some recompense for that. Unfortunately veterans, combat veterans especially, get the worst of it. Between useless VA hospitals and stonewalling from the service regarding classified missions the modern combat vet often gets fucked out of basic care and treatment that they're entitled to and have already paid for.

This kind of news will have a chilling effect on recruiting numbers amid one of the worst recruiting climates in recent memory. It's also a great look for the Republicans before mid-terms.

My immediate thought when I heard the news was this will cause another Bonus Army scenario, and so it has. What kind of pork-barrel poison pill was in the revised bill?
 
Thing is those REMF (myself included) still got fucked (especially if deployed like in my case). In the late 90s we were all made to get the anthrax vaccine, if not your were separated. About 15 years later I start having severe neurological issues. Turns out with no family history or any other risk factors for it I had developed an autoimmune disorder, which has completely disabled me. Thousands of vets were in the same position. And that's not even including burn pits and various other "hazards" vets could run into. Hell from 1953 until 1987 the entirety of Camp Lejuene's water supply was contaminated by some pretty toxic chemicals. This affected civilians, military families, grunts, POGS, etc.
Lets not forget testing the Anthrax vaccine, as well as the early influenza and chickenpox vaccines. Then there was the 'lead testing' at Fort Hood.

Every fucking military base is a goddamn toxic waste dump.

Jet fuel testing contaminated the ground water so bad that even today it's contaminated around a lot of Air Forces bases in the SW.

REMFs got exposed to all kinds of shit, depending on their MOS.

Lets not forget the US Army stripping asbestos out of buildings in the 1980's and 1990's by having privates pull the insulation and shit out by hand, bagging it, and throwing it in trucks.

Some of us had our yearly qualification where we had to do live NBC environment.

Then, the Army got really into covering all that shit up suddenly in the late 1990's, to the point medical records started disappearing (ALWAYS make copies of your records. Never give them the last copy) and getting seriously redacted. (Some of my records are redacted badly enough the only thing on there is my last name and first initial. Even the date is gone)

Of course, you go to the VA, and they just have a ton of excuses.

My favorite was "I fucking hate how you Desert Storm guys try to act like you're all messed up. Don't you know us Vietnam Vets have the Agent Orange!"

Yeah, that's why I thought you be sympathetic to the fact my records have this fucked up shit in it.

Remember, your exposure to radiation is not due to your military service at [REDACTED] at the date [REDACTED] during which you were [REDACTED]. No compensation awarded for [REDACTED].
 
So how much crap/pork was added to the bill to make it worthless?
This is why the federal government really bothers me. Take any decent sounding bill, then add a bunch of pork in it to pay special interest groups, while the thing it’s supposedly for gets little to nothing. If I were in federal office, I’d just vote no on every bill that is filled with pork, which is practically all of them. After Obamacare, a lot of the money people pay in insurance goes more towards administrative positions than the doctors. Since medical school is already so expensive, it also prevents people that otherwise could be good doctors from wanting to be doctors. The best thing that could happen would be massive purges of these useless admin positions throughout government and elsewhere, because that’s where most of the money goes to in these kinds of bills, not the people that actually need it.
 
That's my first thought.
veterans are so fucking stupid they don't even think of that.
One of the more believable (IMHO) theories about what's REALLY GOING ON (tm) at Area 51 is that it's one big,, open-air burn pit that they can use to dispose of stuff they don't want by throwing it in a hole and lighting it up. A method they can't get away with due to environmental laws anywhere else.

And every time someone, be it enlisted or contractor, comes down with heavy metal poisoning or cancer from the mish mash of toxic/radioactive hazards they had to inventory, handle and bury? The military can just say "We have no knowledge of that, and you can't prove us wrong since all the paperwork is classified" thus dodging having to pay out the medical costs.
thats so hilarious stupid it has to be true "let's just build a big fucking hole" as if they don't just let shit catch on fire and burn all the time. fire started in a classified area, welp can't let the firefighters in, thats another billion from the tax payers literally up in flames. although one big open air pit makes way too much sense.

the government doesn't give a shit about people getting fucked by their environmental actions.

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It's hilarious to me that Joe Biden's admin is speed running all of the crises from the worst US presidents. What's next, another dust bowl?
its like the end of a very long running tv show, all the best plots from the series come back.
I'm willing to bet it's the "Testing HR personnel" that got it hit.

Still, fucking burn pits were the worst.

I wouldn't count on the government really paying out for them until the worst cases are dead. It's what they did for Agent Orange and Gulf War Syndrome. (Hell, they still do everything they can to avoid paying the Desert Storm guys, up to and including trying to claim that the service member wasn't in Desert Storm, and even if they were, the illness that only could be contracted in the Gulf isn't related to their Gulf War service, and even if it was, it was a pre-existing condition. Most Desert Storm guys just gave up)

It wasn't just feces and paper in the burn pits, if it was anything like the Desert Storm/Shield ones. We're talking biowaste (tampons and shit), aluminum, records, rubber, wood sprayed with PCP or DDT or what the fuck ever, all kinds of shit.

Hell, the Thursday Burn Pit would give you a bloody nose at Log Base Alpha. The Saturday one at Log Base Echo would give you bloodshot eyes and nosebleeds for a day or two.

But, totally OK.

They aren't going to fucking pay out, because you get back pay for that shit, and someone will slide up and go "Well, we'll have to pay out $22 million in backpay" and the politicians will clutch their wallets and go "Fuck 'em, let 'em die."

This shit is another reason I tell people not to join.

Oh, and high temp incinerators, like we had at Umatilla and Johnston Atoll, fucked up too. Lots of coughing up blood for a few days after you got done burning the shells.
wow with all those side effects from burning shit, you'd have to assume everyone that worked in the concentration camps would have tons of health problems after the war ended. OTOH it does beg the question why German oven technology hasn't been used if they both don't cause one iota of those side effects and burn things in 1000x the speed.
 
with all those side effects from burning shit, you'd have to assume everyone that worked in the concentration camps would have tons of health problems after the war ended. OTOH it does beg the question why German oven technology hasn't been used if they both don't cause one iota of those side effects and burn things in 1000x the speed.
The answer to this is very simple, that would cost more money then throwing everything in a pit and lighting it on fire.
 
If I were in federal office, I’d just vote no on every bill that is filled with pork, which is practically all of them
If I was a Senator, I’d fillabuster every bill by reading them out loud. 1000 pages of pork with cross references to other laws takes a lot of time to read.
Since medical school is already so expensive, it also prevents people that otherwise could be good doctors from wanting to be doctors.
Med schools admit based off of race nowadays and the curriculum has a lot of woke crap in it. I fear I won’t have good quality healthcare in my old age based off of my experiences with recent med school graduates.
 
If I was a Senator, I’d fillabuster every bill by reading them out loud. 1000 pages of pork with cross references to other laws takes a lot of time to read.

Med schools admit based off of race nowadays and the curriculum has a lot of woke crap in it. I fear I won’t have good quality healthcare in my old age based off of my experiences with recent med school graduates.
If a bill is so long that the people passing them don’t even read it all, it’s a bad sign.
 
If a bill is so long that the people passing them don’t even read it all, it’s a bad sign.
Maybe they should learn to write more concise bills. That's too easy though and would break the seemingly unspoken rule of stretching out legislative documents like their college essays written by students who are trying to reach a word quota.
 
(Some of my records are redacted badly enough the only thing on there is my last name and first initial. Even the date is gone)
thats because they dont want the public to know that you and other guys like you got Aids to South america in operation just cause....
 
Democrats: Hey, check out this bill!
Republicans: I like this bill. This is a good bill. Let's pass it.

one month later

Democrats: Remember that bill from last month? I made a few changes, take a look.
Republicans: This isn't what we agreed on.
Democrats: omg why are you changing your mind for no reason why do you hate our troops
What was added to it?
 
Servicemen make jokes about VA disability all the time. Honestly subsidizing veterans is the least onerous form of welfare. They served the country (even if they were a nonner/POG) and deserve some recompense for that. Unfortunately veterans, combat veterans especially, get the worst of it. Between useless VA hospitals and stonewalling from the service regarding classified missions the modern combat vet often gets fucked out of basic care and treatment that they're entitled to and have already paid for.
They voluntarily signed up. If it was a draft and they were forced to go I think you'd have a point.

Again, injured in actual combat, sure, no one is going to argue that. But even in this thread you see people coming out of the woodwork to talk about how anything and everything that ever went wrong in their life happens to conveniently fit into a category where all care related to it is free. Cancer 20 years later? It has to be that burn pit I saw out a window once, not 20 years of alcoholism, smoking and eating processed food.

The solution is universal healthcare so everyone gets the same shit standard of care, and disability payments for those that were actually injured in combat. Paying 40% of all veterans their entire lives is one of those great Keynesian inventions where we pray to god that printing infinite money works forever.

That being said, if you seriously don't mind working a few extra hours a week so a bunch of "disabled vets" can jerk off at home and play Call of Duty for a living, more power to you. What's one more category of drain on the system these days? I already work half my week so I can fund bombs for Israel, joggers buying nikes, and remittances leading to most of Mexico's productivity. What's another hour?
 
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