US Emails Confirm Why CDC Changed Definitions of Vaccine, Vaccinated - "Right-wing covid-19 pandemic deniers are using your "vaccine" definition to argue that mRNA vaccines are not vaccines!"

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Emails Confirm Why CDC Changed Definitions of Vaccine, Vaccinated

Newly obtained emails confirm that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) changed its definition for both “vaccine” and “vaccinated” because people were pointing out that the definitions didn’t seem to apply to the COVID-19 vaccines.

“The definition of vaccine we have posted is problematic and people are using it to claim the COVID-19 vaccine is not a vaccine based on our own definition,” Alycia Downs, a CDC official, wrote in an email to a colleague on Aug. 25, 2021.

The definition is located on the CDC webpage on immunization basics.

“Vaccine” had been defined since at least 2011 by the CDC as a product that triggers immunity, while “vaccination” was described as an injection that prevents a disease, according to archived versions of the page. However, a flood of inquiries on the definitions was triggered by the fact that the COVID-19 vaccines have been increasingly ineffective against infection by the virus that causes COVID-19, the emails show.

“Our question is how is the CDC and the rest of the world allowed to call the shot a vaccination when it doesn’t even meet your own definition,” one person wrote to the CDC.
“Right-wing covid-19 pandemic deniers are using your ‘vaccine’ definition to argue that mRNA vaccines are not vaccines,” another said.

The Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines are both built on messenger RNA technology. They’re two of the three COVID-19 vaccines available in the United States.

Downs and colleagues Allison Michelle Fisher, Cynthia Jorgensen, Valerie Morelli, and Andrew (no last name given) worked on changing the definitions for “vaccine” and “vaccination,” according to the emails.

The changes were pushed through on Aug. 31, 2021, and Sept. 1, 2021, respectively.

Changing Definitions​

“Vaccine” is now defined as “a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.

“Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but some can be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose,” the definition reads.

The previous definition was “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.”

“Vaccination” was changed to “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection from a specific disease” from “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.”

Attorney Travis Miller obtained some of the missives in 2021 and published screenshots of them. At the time, the CDC didn’t dispute their authenticity. The Epoch Times has obtained the emails and additional messages concerning the changes and has published all 67 pages of them.

The batch of emails, obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request, also shows that Andrew, a CDC employee on the agency’s Vaccine Task Force, boosted a Washington Post article that downplayed criticism of the change.

“I’ve only seen a couple of inquiries about the change to this page. I think the WaPo article explains the problem well—that people are misinterpreting ‘immunity’ to mean 100% protection,” Andrew wrote.

Downs replied, “Thank you, Andrew! I really appreciate your response.”

A CDC spokesperson told The Epoch Times that the “slight changes in wording” haven’t altered “the overall definition” of “vaccine,” noting that “the previous definition at Immunization Basics | CDC could be interpreted to mean that vaccines were 100 percent effective, which has never been the case for any vaccine, so the current definition is more transparent and also describes the ways in which vaccines can be administered.”

Some other portions of the CDC website still state that COVID-19 vaccines confer immunity. One page, for instance, states that “getting a COVID-19 vaccination is a safer and more dependable way to build immunity to COVID-19 than getting sick with COVID-19.”


Emails attached locally.
Selected excerpts:
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Now i might be a dumbass but it sure seems like immunity has a meaning of being you know, Immune from catching something vs resistant which is what i feel like they are trying to use it as.
Yes. That's the point. They're selling something that doesn't even work as something that does.
 
Take your rushed therapeutic shot everyone
 
It's nice to get the actual discussion though. I often wonder what degree of stupidity/malice these people operate on, and this shows the CDC runs on pure political malice.
I read through the 67 pages of emails and what struck me is that they seem to all be in lock-step, total agreement with each other politically and ethically. Not one person thought to do anything other than to let members of the public change the definition to fit their distorted reality.

I've worked at companies where literally every single person is a staunch leftist, pro tranny, anti white, authoritarian and so on. You feel like you're not supposed to be there. It never occurred to me that this could happen in the highest levels of the federal government.
 
Lmao I remember being told what a right wing chud I am for several pages in the vaxmax thread for stating that they changed the definition for this reason more than based on sound scientific reasoning.

This truly is the year of the chud.

It's weird how much the vaxfags have shut up after so much "get the vax to save grandma you conspiracy minded covidiot" sperging over the past couple years.

Imagine spending that much time bootlicking big pharm only to be shown the covidiots chuds were right all along.
 
I've worked at companies where literally every single person is a staunch leftist, pro tranny, anti white, authoritarian and so on. You feel like you're not supposed to be there. It never occurred to me that this could happen in the highest levels of the federal government.
Scarier - the FBI, DOJ, ATF? Et al? They ALL behave that way...... they think it's their job to not enforce laws as much as use the law as a cudgel to punish those of us who "don't belong" in this nation, according to their political calculus.
 
As if all the advertising for the boosters I hear on the radio brought to me by Pfizer and Biotechnology didnt persuade me already not to get jabbed.
When I was last in Portland, there was a huge government billboard telling people to get boosted, and it had a real Ministry of Truth vibe to it. I wish I had taken a photo.
 
Those damn anti-vaxxers and their dictionaries.

They had such faith in the covid-19 "vaccine" that they literally changed the definition of vaccine to make it one.

I have seen the "hey, you know, the covid shot isn't really a vaccine" argument in the wild, and responding "actually, the CDC changed the definition" usually is enough to push the person over to the "anti-vaxxer" side.

Meanwhile, I know more otherwise healthy men who have died mysteriously of strokes than I've ever seen before.
 
“I’ve only seen a couple of inquiries about the change to this page. I think the WaPo article explains the problem well—that people are misinterpreting ‘immunity’ to mean 100% protection,” Andrew wrote.
Now i might be a dumbass but it sure seems like immunity has a meaning of being you know, Immune from catching something vs resistant which is what i feel like they are trying to use it as.

Words have meanings and you dont get to use them interchangably when convienet.
I can't imagine why you would. Let's see what the dictionary has to say about the definition of immunity:
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Oh...
 
I was pretty blindly pro-vax before this whole nonsense, but that's done. I got my two shots and a booster, and each time, particularly the last two shots, I was sick enough to basically be unable to work for days. Meanwhile, people in my family that also got the jab ended up catching the coof anyway - as did countless pro-vax politicians and public figures - so I figure it's just a matter of time before it gets me too. Whatever that shit they put into our arms was, it very clearly wasn't a "vaccine," so what the fuck was it except for a drug company boondoggle? Was the vaccination and its effects really better than just getting the virus naturally and building a natural immunity? I feel like my trust has been betrayed.

I still think childhood vaccinations against shit like measles are important, but the next time the government wants to put a new needle in my arm, I'm going to have a whole hell of a lot more questions - and I'm certainly going to be a bit less critical of those parents who don't want their kids to do childhood vaccinations in light of what has happened. Way to go, pro-vax assholes - you've turned one of your own into at least a mild skeptic.
 
I still think childhood vaccinations against shit like measles are important, but the next time the government wants to put a new needle in my arm, I'm going to have a whole hell of a lot more questions - and I'm certainly going to be a bit less critical of those parents who don't want their kids to do childhood vaccinations in light of what has happened. Way to go, pro-vax assholes - you've turned one of your own into at least a mild skeptic.
Yep, I'll get my TB vax updated sometime here this year because I know that it will prevent me from getting a fatal case of lockjaw.

But I will not allow myself to be given a rush-job "vax" that doesn't work and the only thing it prevents you from getting, conclusively, is scorn from brainless leftoids.
 
Was the vaccination and its effects really better than just getting the virus naturally and building a natural immunity?
No. Natural immunity was proven better early on and is now accepted to be better. The vaccine was good if you were at risk because it would most often lessen the impact of getting it. But if you were 99% of the public it was a waste.
 
I was pretty blindly pro-vax before this whole nonsense, but that's done. I got my two shots and a booster, and each time, particularly the last two shots, I was sick enough to basically be unable to work for days. Meanwhile, people in my family that also got the jab ended up catching the coof anyway - as did countless pro-vax politicians and public figures - so I figure it's just a matter of time before it gets me too. Whatever that shit they put into our arms was, it very clearly wasn't a "vaccine," so what the fuck was it except for a drug company boondoggle? Was the vaccination and its effects really better than just getting the virus naturally and building a natural immunity? I feel like my trust has been betrayed.

I still think childhood vaccinations against shit like measles are important, but the next time the government wants to put a new needle in my arm, I'm going to have a whole hell of a lot more questions - and I'm certainly going to be a bit less critical of those parents who don't want their kids to do childhood vaccinations in light of what has happened. Way to go, pro-vax assholes - you've turned one of your own into at least a mild skeptic.
Yep, I'll get my TB vax updated sometime here this year because I know that it will prevent me from getting a fatal case of lockjaw.

But I will not allow myself to be given a rush-job "vax" that doesn't work and the only thing it prevents you from getting, conclusively, is scorn from brainless leftoids.
TB vaccines are attenuated vaccines (weakened form of the real thing), the MMR vaccine is also attenuated.
Most flu vaccines are inactivated vaccines (dead version of the thing), the rabies vaccine is also inactivated.
The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are not that.
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I love how instead of stopping to ask "hey maybe we shouldn't push this as the solution? maybe we should heed the criticism?" they all just decided "well lets change the definition of words to fit our narrative!".

Like a fucking child trying to change the rules of the game just so they can win...
got real fucking quiet when the bloodclot thing was proven real though
>"Oh well at least my bloodclot was worth it to save grandma!"
>grandma dies of old age anyways because that's what old people do
 
So, just to go down the list:
They don't work as advertised

They do cause blood clots and heart problems

The CDC did change the definition of what a vaccine was, on the sly (so they thought) just to silence critics

I think the only thing we're missing from "right wing /pol/ / A&N chuds said this and it turned out to be true" is "Fauci gets hung by the neck until minecraft."

I was pretty blindly pro-vax before this whole nonsense, but that's done. I got my two shots and a booster, and each time, particularly the last two shots, I was sick enough to basically be unable to work for days. Meanwhile, people in my family that also got the jab ended up catching the coof anyway - as did countless pro-vax politicians and public figures - so I figure it's just a matter of time before it gets me too. Whatever that shit they put into our arms was, it very clearly wasn't a "vaccine," so what the fuck was it except for a drug company boondoggle? Was the vaccination and its effects really better than just getting the virus naturally and building a natural immunity? I feel like my trust has been betrayed.

I still think childhood vaccinations against shit like measles are important, but the next time the government wants to put a new needle in my arm, I'm going to have a whole hell of a lot more questions - and I'm certainly going to be a bit less critical of those parents who don't want their kids to do childhood vaccinations in light of what has happened. Way to go, pro-vax assholes - you've turned one of your own into at least a mild skeptic.
Yeah it's kind of funny how millions - tens of millions if not at least 200+ million - of people in the US who were openly pro-vaccine (myself included) were suddenly anti-vaxxers science denying flat Earth caveman chud bible thumper christian scientists when we said "Wait hold up a second, modded MRNA injections?"
 
If these people had any ability to think about how their actions would affect the future they’d see that changing the definition of words to fit their immediate needs will only lead to more and more people tuning them out.
They think that once they’re fully in power they will just be able to destroy anyone who tunes them out.
Yep, I'll get my TB vax updated sometime here this year because I know that it will prevent me from getting a fatal case of lockjaw.
not to be “that guy” but TB is a serious cough that kills you. Tetanus is the lockjaw thing. TB is also the one becoming drug-resistant because people are stupid.
 
Yep, I'll get my TB vax updated sometime here this year because I know that it will prevent me from getting a fatal case of lockjaw.

But I will not allow myself to be given a rush-job "vax" that doesn't work and the only thing it prevents you from getting, conclusively, is scorn from brainless leftoids.
I need a tetanus booster but my doctor is pro vax and has had arguments with me about why I refuse to take it. I seriously don't trust any medical provider anymore to give me shots because the vax cult is so overbearing that they will trick you into getting it by lying.
 
Now i might be a dumbass but it sure seems like immunity has a meaning of being you know, Immune from catching something vs resistant which is what i feel like they are trying to use it as.

Words have meanings and you dont get to use them interchangably when convienet.
That sounds like Dangerous White Supremist Insurrectionist thinking there
 
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