Question for the USA people from private security backgrounds.

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Ok, like many Eurofags I have seen TV, played video games etc.

Whenever the “Bad Guys” are basically a private enterprise, their security and whatnot are armed of course, but there are times that these security guards are basically a small militia, with submachine guns and assault rifles.

Of course this makes for a more interesting challenge for the protagonists, rather than taking on old men with revolvers and tasers.

However how legal would this actually be?

Are private companies allowed to use basically militia to provide security at sensitive locations?

Can companies/wealthy individuals hold assault rifles and other fully automatic weapons, train people in their use and allow them to patrol their premises?
 
uhm.no.look it up.

Ah the private security firm which is basically a legal mercenary company.

I mean on US soil in US states.


Ok, not with government involvement, for the sake of argument, could Meta or Alphabet, Ford or Boeing head office, server farms and production plants have heavily armed guards present?

Are assault weapons available or do they have to use something like those AR-15 which are legally classified as a pistol for reasons?
 
Not only are private security firms allowed to exist, they are often encouraged by the US government as they can commit acts which would be considered war crimes and find themselves less likely to be questioned if doing such. They've committed some pretty big no-nos in the Middle East and Africa which are worth looking into if you have time to waste.
 
Ok, not with government involvement, for the sake of argument, could Meta or Alphabet, Ford or Boeing head office, server farms and production plants have heavily armed guards present?

Absolutely. For that matter, I could pay armed guards to patrol my personal property as a private citizen - although generally this would be a like a celebrity with armed body guard(s) situation where they were actually employed by another entity who sold their services to me. See below why the average private citizen probably doesn't have the know-how or manpower to maintain a person security force of their own (which may fall under what you call "government involvement" - not sure what you mean by that).

Are assault weapons available or do they have to use something like those AR-15 which are legally classified as a pistol for reasons?

Any weapon that is legal to own and operate in the United States should be legal to arm a private security force with. However, per the law, the employer must demonstrate they are maintaining some kind of control over their armory, are limited as to what and how much they can store and where, and generally fall under the authority of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), although they may also fall under the inspection authority of local law enforcment and/or fire marshalls and the like. Additionally, private security guards generally have to be licensed/certified, generally at the state level, even to provide unarmed security services. Obviously arming them requires further certifications/trainings/background checks/etc. In those senses, there is "government involvement."

If I just get a bunch of my boys together, we take over an apartment block and we start armed patrols of the neighborhood? We are a gang - no government involvement.
If I get a bunch of my boys together, we move onto a compound in the middle of the desert and start armed patrols of it? We are a militia - no government involvement.
Obviously not the same thing as an armed private security force.
 
Heavily armed? Yea, p much. The operational aspect is where things get limited. Operating on US soil as a heavily armed security force is dubiously legal in most states, but in WY, ND, SD, MT, AZ, TX, OK, AK, or AR, you're pretty much weapons free on anyone intruding on private property.

So pro tip for Euros. If you do end up over here and someone tells you to fuck off from Private property, you should do so pronto. There's no "right to roam" out here.
 
Yes, but there's all sorts of liability laws since your security company needs a loicence for that (which is state by state, and I mean more than the business loicence) and your armed guards also need a loicence for that (also state by state) and while any citizen who has a clean record/only minor misdemeanors can get an armed security license in practice it is difficult to be hired in armed security without prior background as in the police forces or military because most companies don't want to deal with the liability of someone without training.

I believe there may be an additional level between "armed guards at private prisons" and "Blackwater" but that's probably yet more liability stuff and in practice the only reason the private prison guys don't pack full-auto weapons is because of cost and you guessed it, liability.
 
Absolutely. For that matter, I could pay armed guards to patrol my personal property as a private citizen - although generally this would be a like a celebrity with armed body guard(s) situation where they were actually employed by another entity who sold their services to me. See below why the average private citizen probably doesn't have the know-how or manpower to maintain a person security force of their own (which may fall under what you call "government involvement" - not sure what you mean by that).



Any weapon that is legal to own and operate in the United States should be legal to arm a private security force with. However, per the law, the employer must demonstrate they are maintaining some kind of control over their armory, are limited as to what and how much they can store and where, and generally fall under the authority of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), although they may also fall under the inspection authority of local law enforcment and/or fire marshalls and the like. Additionally, private security guards generally have to be licensed/certified, generally at the state level, even to provide unarmed security services. Obviously arming them requires further certifications/trainings/background checks/etc. In those senses, there is "government involvement."

If I just get a bunch of my boys together, we take over an apartment block and we start armed patrols of the neighborhood? We are a gang - no government involvement.
If I get a bunch of my boys together, we move onto a compound in the middle of the desert and start armed patrols of it? We are a militia - no government involvement.
Obviously not the same thing as an armed private security force.
Government involvement, I meant if the private company or individual is manufacturing or researching on the government’s behalf.

Say Tesla got a contract to make solar powered tanks. I would guess that the government would either supply security or allow them license to have whatever reasonable security measures in place.

Yes I gathered that any staff would have to be licensed/permitted at a state level.
As you say, getting a bunch of dudes with guns together is not strictly legal, depending on the circumstances. Gun club, fine, vigilante group, not fine.

But the long and the short of it, provided one seeks appropriate state, federal and any other required licensing, they could have employees wandering around a private business, openly carrying fully automatic weapons, ready to have a shootout with the A Team or Gordon freeman, if the need arose.

One thing I wondered, but didn’t ask was that in these circumstances, can a CEO seek sheriff status, and deputize employees as they see fit, or would the office of sheriff mean they would be responsible for law enforcement in the administration and could not be used as a way of employing security in a company with full powers similar to police officers?

I realize that sheriffs are often elected and in some places operate more like a mayor.
So I understand if there is not a simple answer to the question.
 
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This is a question for @Michael Janke
yes american private security companies are allowed to open carry full auto machine guns. every guard just the proper license to hold them. it's also expensive as fuck to aquire full auto guns and takes a long time. you'd be better off arming them with semi-auto guns.
you can drive a de-armed tank in public streets depending on what state you're in.
 
yes american private security companies are allowed to open carry full auto machine guns. every guard just the proper license to hold them. it's also expensive as fuck to aquire full auto guns and takes a long time. you'd be better off arming them with semi-auto guns.
you can drive a de-armed tank in public streets depending on what state you're in.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=vvkLaa9bogU
Ok, so it’s possible for a “supervillain” to have basically a private army in the USA, depending on state, provided they have the funds.

Thank you! It’s something that I always wondered since being a kid.
 
Question, unrelated to this topic.

If Biden starts confiscating guns, is Blackwater supposed to hand out all their military equipment? Or do they keep their military grade stuff?
They're registered as a government contractor and protected by whatever contracts they may be under in the countries/areas they are being licensed, contracted and paid to operate in. If they're going to be stateside, they just have to be a licensed armed security guard and their company has to keep the ATF and state entities happy to stay in good standing to keep it as such. Every green-badger company contracted by DoD, CIA, State Dept, Interior, and/or whatever has to jump through these regulations and whatever riders and caveats are outlined in the contract itself on top of whatever security clearances are required.

Now, for a stateside private security company, so long as the company has an FFL on staff that works as the armorer and all security staff have their armed guard card from the state they're in, they can be running around their property with MP5s and whatever else that they want to arm them with so long as it has been obtained legally and with the right tax stamps. Las Vegas casinos have high tier security teams that are in plate carriers, headgear and with nice rifles that you'll see from time to time checking in with low-vis security guys and even guarding entrances during high profile events that require extra security.
 
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