Law Abortion would be punishable as murder under new Louisiana proposal - IVF and birth control might be included

Less than 48 hours after a U.S. Supreme Court ruling was leaked, indicating the landmark abortion ruling in Roe v. Wade would be overturned, Louisiana lawmakers acted aggressively to bolster state law that bans the procedure.

The House Committee for the Administration of Criminal Justice advanced a bill Wednesday that would treat anyone who undergoes or administers an abortion as a murderer. The potential penalty for someone convicted could be life in prison.

Rep. Danny McCormick, R-Oil City, authored House Bill 813 that would also allow the state attorney general prosecute abortion cases that a local district attorney refuses. He told the committee Louisiana and other states had already violated federal law by approving medical marijuana, and any constitutional concerns about his proposal should be considered similarly.

“If more than 15 states can defy the federal government over marijuana, we can do it to save the lives of innocent babies,” McCormick said, adding Louisiana should not wait until the Supreme Court’s ruling is made official.

Supreme Court officials have confirmed the content of the draft opinion first obtained by Politico, adding that it could be altered before it’s certified later year. In reversing the Roe decision, states would then be empowered to enforce their own laws concerning abortion. Louisiana is among the states with a trigger law that bans abortions as soon as the Supreme Court ruling is final. Other states are considering similar proposals.

Backers of McCormick’s bill who testified before the committee referred to various Bible verses to back their stance. They included Susan Raborn, a Baton Rouge lawyer who acknowledged she had separately aborted twins and a single fetus she had carried. She said abortion rights supporters have confronted her about her past as a member of LSU’s Golden Girls and the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders, saying those opportunities and her subsequent legal career would not have been possible without having had abortion as an option.

Raborn, 61, spoke of her continuing guilt over ending her pregnancies, and she described abortion rights supporters as racists.

“They really want to kill minority babies. They love to kill minority babies …” she said. “They’re really the KKK of today.”

Statistics the Kaiser Family Foundation compiled show Black people accounted for 38% of abortions in 2019, compared with 33% for whites and 21% for Hispanics. Louisiana was among 21 states that did not report abortion data by race or ethnicity, according to KFF. A closer look at Southern states shows Black people obtained a far larger share of abortions in Alabama and Georgia, while white people vastly outnumbered other races in Kentucky.

Research has connected racial disparities in abortion to other fundamental inequalities: lack of access to health care and contraception, subpar public education and low income.

Opponents of House Bill 813 included lawyers who said language in the proposal would make procedures such as in-vitro fertilization and the freezing of embryos punishable crimes. Birth control pills, intrauterine devices and emergency contraception would also be outlawed, based on their interpretation of the bill.

Melissa Flournoy, a former state lawmaker and board chair of Louisiana Progress, said McCormick’s measure could have unintended consequences, including the “criminalization of miscarriages.”

Gov. John Bel Edwards, a Democrat with staunch anti-abortion views, would not offer personal comment Wednesday when asked about the leaked Supreme Court ruling. He did confirm that such a law would prompt Louisiana’s 2006 trigger law into effect.

Committee member Tony Bacala, R-Prairieville, expressed concerns about whether McCormick’s bill would be constitutional but voted in favor of it anyway. He was joined by Reps. Bryan Fontenot, R-Thibodaux; Ray Garafalo, R-Chalmette; Jonathan Goudeau, R-Lafayette; Nick Muscarello, R-Hammond; Alan Seabaugh, R-Shreveport; and McCormick.

The no votes on the committee came from chairman Joe Marino, an independent from Gretna, and Rep. Vanessa LaFleur, D-Baton Rouge.

Absent for the vote were Reps. Marcus Bryant, D-New Iberia; Valarie Hodges, R-Denham Springs; Denise Marcelle, D-Baton Rouge; Richard Nelson, R-Mandeville; and Debbie Villio, R-Kenner.

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Birth control pills, intrauterine devices and emergency contraception would also be outlawed, based on their interpretation of the bill.
Well, that would definitely thot patrol a lot of men and women. Birth control pills are dumb to outlaw though because a good percentage of women do not even take them primarily as birth control and have hormonal imbalances that require them. Might as well ban condoms while they are at it because they also can prevent nature from taking its course like birth control pills.

She said abortion rights supporters have confronted her about her past as a member of LSU’s Golden Girls and the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders, saying those opportunities and her subsequent legal career would not have been possible without having had abortion as an option.
People believe this while choosing to actively ignore all the people who have managed to have success in their lives despite having children in less than ideal circumstances. Aborting twins...oof. She must have really not have known who the daddy was - maybe each was only half-sibling.
 
Nah, the majority on here in this thread are celebrating it. Which is typical since most are die-hard Republicans who believe whatever Fox News tells them to
I really don't think so, they're cut from a different cloth than Fox News boomers. The reasons they think these things have to do with internet memes and the tones this issue is discussed with. They don't have any strong feelings about the real life effects of these things, they're just playing for their internet team. That needs to be understood in order to navigate discussions with them, as they still vote.
 
Ignoring the merits or lack there of, this sounds like a retarded law that is designed to fail after it gets challenged in court after the first day. I'm not claiming great legal knowledge here, but enforcing different standards for murder across state lines doesn't sound like something that won't get tied up in courts for several years at least. You would think instead they would try to pass something that would actually go into effect after the SCOTUS decision.
 
Ignoring the merits or lack there of, this sounds like a retarded law that is designed to fail after it gets challenged in court after the first day. I'm not claiming great legal knowledge here, but enforcing different standards for murder across state lines doesn't sound like something that won't get tied up in courts for several years at least.
This is correct, they don't really want it to pass. It's just to fire up their base. Contrast this to Florida's 15 week abortion ban, which is quite moderate but will probably actually come to effect.
You would think instead they would try to pass something that would actually go into effect after the SCOTUS decision.
I am told that they already have one, in some capacity.
 
I really don't think so, they're cut from a different cloth than Fox News boomers. The reasons they think these things have to do with internet memes and the tones this issue is discussed with. They don't have any strong feelings about the real life effects of these things, they're just playing for their internet team. That needs to be understood in order to navigate discussions with them, as they still vote.
I will support anything that makes Joe Biden and dems mad because not only is it funny and pisses people off fat women on Twitter, but I feel like it's kind of rebellious.

In example, if I don't type nigger on the internet about twenty times a day, I feel like I am really not contributing to society and philosophical discussion about our culture and lives.
 
Very odd for Lousiana to think they can be moral about anything, considering like every nigga who runs the state embezzles shit on the daily and probably barebacks escorts while high as fuck.

I don't think trying to outlaw abortion is going to get you into heaven, bro.
It's God's will. Fornication and all that jazz.
 
I demand you adopt every unwanted and tard potato baby then. I can just imagine you screeching about this with steam coming out of your head. So walk the walk lady. Do it. More taxes for welfare too. That's a metric fuckton of welfare babies you're gonna be supporting.

This whole thing is retarded backwards and forwards. I am torn between being angry and just laughing while the world burns.

I need some hats. In spirit.🎩
Why would it be my fault if you can’t keep your legs closed, or even bother with condoms, when you aren’t ready to bring a child into the world?
 
I will support anything that makes Joe Biden and dems mad because not only is it funny and pisses people off fat women on Twitter, but I feel like it's kind of rebellious.

In example, if I don't type nigger on the internet about twenty times a day, I feel like I am really not contributing to society and philosophical discussion about our culture and lives.
It would piss me off if you necked yourself, so you should do it
 
I will support anything that makes Joe Biden and dems mad because not only is it funny and pisses people off fat women on Twitter, but I feel like it's kind of rebellious.

In example, if I don't type nigger on the internet about twenty times a day, I feel like I am really not contributing to society and philosophical discussion about our culture and lives.

The "done with this faggot society but before i go I'm gonna piss on everyone" approach. I like your style and wish you the best of luck.
 
Well, that would definitely thot patrol a lot of men and women. Birth control pills are dumb to outlaw though because a good percentage of women do not even take them primarily as birth control and have hormonal imbalances that require them. Might as well ban condoms while they are at it because they also can prevent nature from taking its course like birth control pills.
why stop at banning birth control and condoms? if those things would be considered preventing nature from taking its course, then there better not be any fucking vegetables taking up hospital beds, because those machines they're using to stay alive are preventing nature from taking its course.
 
why stop at banning birth control and condoms? if those things would be considered preventing nature from taking its course, then there better not be any fucking vegetables taking up hospital beds, because those machines they're using to stay alive are preventing nature from taking its course.
Now that I unironically agree with. Imagine being comatose on life support because technically you're "still alive." That's inhumane.
 
Nah, at that point it's just a waste of resources. They aren't really in pain, as far as we can tell.
yeah but what if they actually are in pain? how do we really know? maybe they're actually conscious and they're just trapped in their body and if you turn off those machines you'll murder them.
 
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