Law Abortion would be punishable as murder under new Louisiana proposal - IVF and birth control might be included

Less than 48 hours after a U.S. Supreme Court ruling was leaked, indicating the landmark abortion ruling in Roe v. Wade would be overturned, Louisiana lawmakers acted aggressively to bolster state law that bans the procedure.

The House Committee for the Administration of Criminal Justice advanced a bill Wednesday that would treat anyone who undergoes or administers an abortion as a murderer. The potential penalty for someone convicted could be life in prison.

Rep. Danny McCormick, R-Oil City, authored House Bill 813 that would also allow the state attorney general prosecute abortion cases that a local district attorney refuses. He told the committee Louisiana and other states had already violated federal law by approving medical marijuana, and any constitutional concerns about his proposal should be considered similarly.

“If more than 15 states can defy the federal government over marijuana, we can do it to save the lives of innocent babies,” McCormick said, adding Louisiana should not wait until the Supreme Court’s ruling is made official.

Supreme Court officials have confirmed the content of the draft opinion first obtained by Politico, adding that it could be altered before it’s certified later year. In reversing the Roe decision, states would then be empowered to enforce their own laws concerning abortion. Louisiana is among the states with a trigger law that bans abortions as soon as the Supreme Court ruling is final. Other states are considering similar proposals.

Backers of McCormick’s bill who testified before the committee referred to various Bible verses to back their stance. They included Susan Raborn, a Baton Rouge lawyer who acknowledged she had separately aborted twins and a single fetus she had carried. She said abortion rights supporters have confronted her about her past as a member of LSU’s Golden Girls and the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders, saying those opportunities and her subsequent legal career would not have been possible without having had abortion as an option.

Raborn, 61, spoke of her continuing guilt over ending her pregnancies, and she described abortion rights supporters as racists.

“They really want to kill minority babies. They love to kill minority babies …” she said. “They’re really the KKK of today.”

Statistics the Kaiser Family Foundation compiled show Black people accounted for 38% of abortions in 2019, compared with 33% for whites and 21% for Hispanics. Louisiana was among 21 states that did not report abortion data by race or ethnicity, according to KFF. A closer look at Southern states shows Black people obtained a far larger share of abortions in Alabama and Georgia, while white people vastly outnumbered other races in Kentucky.

Research has connected racial disparities in abortion to other fundamental inequalities: lack of access to health care and contraception, subpar public education and low income.

Opponents of House Bill 813 included lawyers who said language in the proposal would make procedures such as in-vitro fertilization and the freezing of embryos punishable crimes. Birth control pills, intrauterine devices and emergency contraception would also be outlawed, based on their interpretation of the bill.

Melissa Flournoy, a former state lawmaker and board chair of Louisiana Progress, said McCormick’s measure could have unintended consequences, including the “criminalization of miscarriages.”

Gov. John Bel Edwards, a Democrat with staunch anti-abortion views, would not offer personal comment Wednesday when asked about the leaked Supreme Court ruling. He did confirm that such a law would prompt Louisiana’s 2006 trigger law into effect.

Committee member Tony Bacala, R-Prairieville, expressed concerns about whether McCormick’s bill would be constitutional but voted in favor of it anyway. He was joined by Reps. Bryan Fontenot, R-Thibodaux; Ray Garafalo, R-Chalmette; Jonathan Goudeau, R-Lafayette; Nick Muscarello, R-Hammond; Alan Seabaugh, R-Shreveport; and McCormick.

The no votes on the committee came from chairman Joe Marino, an independent from Gretna, and Rep. Vanessa LaFleur, D-Baton Rouge.

Absent for the vote were Reps. Marcus Bryant, D-New Iberia; Valarie Hodges, R-Denham Springs; Denise Marcelle, D-Baton Rouge; Richard Nelson, R-Mandeville; and Debbie Villio, R-Kenner.

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[Fomo Hoire]

Abortion is one thing, but anybody that would abort twins need to be locked up in the psyche ward for the rest of their lives. Do any of you fuckers know how rare it is to have twins?

1 in 250 chance

Besides, twins are adorable. Damn right that bitch regrets it.

If the sample data includes births from China (whether by being global stats or by including immigrants), then they might be even rater than that because Twins are yet another thing that China counterfeits.

Spoiler

This paper examines an unintended response to the One-Child Policy in China: twinning births. Analysis of population census data shows that the One-Child Policy has accounted for more than one-third of the increase in the reported births of twins since the 1970s. Investigation using birth space with prior births and height difference within twins suggests that the increase in births of twins is partly due to parents reporting regularly-spaced children as twins to avoid the policy violation punishment. The study highlights the possibility of individual behavioral response to undesirable government policies and the potential social consequences.

Which is kind of interesting to think about when people try to call letting the states decide a reverse China.

Given how these women act when shit doesn't go their way, I wouldn't want them to have children. That is if they even find somebody to procreate with them.

If it's that bad, I'd rather sterilize them beforehand.

As a bonus, sterilized women don't have to worry about rape babies either.

 

[Stephanie Brown]

Miscarriages also aren't a thing.

What do you mean by that?

 

[Male Idiot]

The thing I'm worried about is if they are going to classify miscarriages as a form of abortion or not. I feel like it would be super shitty to have someone legit want their baby, only to lose them and then be charged for murder over something she had no control over.

Let's be real lads, the only reason why they are overturning this now is because of record low birth rates and the gov needs more soldiers, voters, and wage slaves for the future. They don't care about anyone, let alone babies. If you think they are bringing America back to moral values, you are delusional. A congressman would totally throw a baby in a pit of fire if it meant they could stay in power longer.

Unless they somehow manage to find enough doctors to monitor every woman 24 hours a day to see if they are miscarrying, that would be hard to do.

But yeah, society actually needs workers that were raised in it.

I know this means more niggers but the salt from the libtards is just too delicious to ignore.

 

[Michael Pemulis]

I wouldn't worry about birth control being banned. Almost no one supports that, not even most Catholics (the only church that has made a real issue of this). Birth control is protected by a different supreme court case that is earlier and more accepted, anyway.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

What do you mean by that?

Very carefully read the first sentence of that post again.

 

[Michael Pemulis]

I don't support abortions but the southern stated are really starting to look like an Alternate California with their bullshit

Yep. It's little more than "I support the opposite of the current thing". Most men really don't give a shit about this one way or the other, so our opinions are formed by petty peripheral concerns.

I've recognized this in myself and ultimately decided that I need to just make the value judgement that I support abortion rights, regardless of whatever cringe is going on.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

But the alt-right manlet puritans on A&H told me this would never happen and they're totally for birth control.

I guess you retards were lying about it because you seem enthusiastic about this. I suppose since Republicans are for it, you have to be for it because you are good little Republicans and support whatever your evangelical overlords tell you to

If these abortion threads have taught me anything, it's that the court was right.

Abortion is clearly not a settled matter in society and it was right to depoliticize the court by moving it to the public.

The majority of A&H is hardcore Republicans. They spent too much time on /pol/ and are such shitheads they got banned from everywhere else, so now they come here to worship the GOP. I blame their crippling autism turning them into boomers

I wouldn't worry about birth control being banned. Almost no one supports that, not even most Catholics (the only church that has made a real issue of this). Birth control is protected by a different supreme court case that is earlier and more accepted, anyway.

Tell the GOP and most of A&H (that supports this shit) that.

 

[Glowie Hunter Art Bell]

Yep. It's little more than "I support the opposite of the current thing". Most men really don't give a shit about this one way or the other, so our opinions are formed by petty peripheral concerns.

I've recognized this in myself and ultimately decided that I need to just make the value judgement that I support abortion rights, regardless of whatever cringe is going on.

I support abortion rights for rape and incest regardless of stage of pregnancy, and I support Heartbeat bills. After that I draw the line.

While I'm all for freedom, some moral is always required to keep things functioning, see: the entire modern west. I feel that heartbeat bills find a nice balance of that

 

[Michael Pemulis]

I support abortion rights for rape and incest regardless of stage of pregnancy, and I support Heartbeat bills. After that I draw the line.

While I'm all for freedom, some moral is always required to keep things functioning, see: the entire modern west. I feel that heartbeat bills find a nice balance of that

I think you are mistaken in your assessment of this situation (heartbeats are very early, it's effectively a complete ban) but I agree with the general moral principle.

 

[The Last Stand]

But why should the baby qualify as a life if the woman was going to abort it anyways?

Talk to the state about it. Even I don't understand it completely.

 

[Michael Pemulis]

But the alt-right manlet puritans on A&H told me this would never happen and they're totally for birth control.

What is A&H? Looked it up and didn't find anything that seemed to fit.

I guess you retards were lying about it because you seem enthusiastic about this. I suppose since Republicans are for it, you have to be for it because you are good little Republicans and support whatever your evangelical overlords tell you to

In this you may be giving them too much credit. Catholics and evangelicals each have harsh things to say about each other, they agree on this but otherwise they don't have much goodwill, yet alone unity.

 

[Glowie Hunter Art Bell]

I think you are mistaken in your assessment of this situation (heartbeats are very early, it's effectively a complete ban) but I agree with the general moral principle.

That's the point. In my eyes, at least, heartbeat seems like an extended plan B. Once it has a heartbeat, it's alive, by scientific standards.

 

[veri]

how would they even know if someone got an abortion out of state? if a woman finds out and doesn’t tell anybody about the pregnancy, then gets an abortion no one would know. it can be said too that they miscarried early.

honestly i don’t see why they care so much, the comparison to racism is stupid cause they only bring it up for their point, they don’t actually think it’s racist that’s just their poor attempt to use it as a guilt tactic.

not allowing abortion leads to more unfit parents, more money spent on welfare, and more kids who will grow up in fucked circumstances. there is no problem aborting a retard baby, the majority of people can’t and don’t want to spend all the extra work, money, and time it takes to raise a retarded child. might sound rude to say but it’s true.

then we have the unfit parents: teen mothers, mentally ill, junkies. tweakers will use their child for a gram of meth, those kids grow up with sexual trauma, which is a major factor in trooning out later in life. these lawmakers for whatever reason will go through any effort to prevent abortions, and the result of that will be disastrous and will show in the next few decades.

more than enough money already goes to welfare, banning abortion will worsen that. if anything abortions should be encouraged more to people unfit to raise children, or at least sterilization. cps is already overwhelmed and there’s many cases where they don’t take children out of abusive homes (and the problem of abuse isn’t any better in foster homes). abortion is a more humane choice than a lose-lose situation where a child will grow up abused/neglected.

you wanna know what’s in common with a lot of the mentally fucked up people you see nowadays? they have no father. if you want an improved society (that in the future can lead to less people needing abortions), there needs to be less single parenthood.

and if these lawmakers want to use the solution of “oh just put them up for adoption”, then they can adopt. when it comes to fixing our society, banning abortion is one of the most idiotic things that can be done!!

If more than 15 states can defy the federal government over marijuana, we can do it to save the lives of innocent babies,” McCormick said, adding Louisiana should not wait until the Supreme Court’s ruling is made official.

there’s nothing wrong with smoking weed so that’s a retarded comparison

Opponents of House Bill 813 included lawyers who said language in the proposal would make procedures such as in-vitro fertilization and the freezing of embryos punishable crimes. Birth control pills, intrauterine devices and emergency contraception would also be outlawed, based on their interpretation of the bill.

condoms are a form of birth control too, would that qualify as “murder”??

 

[Michael Pemulis]

That's the point. In my eyes, at least, heartbeat seems like an extended plan B. Once it has a heartbeat, it's alive, by scientific standards.

There are almost zero practical situations where a heartbeat bill would allow an abortion. You might not even find out in time if you were trying to get pregnant and were regularly checking in with your doctor, knowing it was something to watch for.

 

[The Last Stand]

The Black gun murder rate is likely higher than Black abortion rates.

 

[Android raptor]

Louisiana fundies must think less unwanted embryos destroyed=more kids for them to rape and groom into unpaid bangmaidshelpmeets

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

What is A&H? Looked it up and didn't find anything that seemed to fit.

In this you may be giving them too much credit. Catholics and evangelicals each have harsh things to say about each other, they agree on this but otherwise they don't have much goodwill, yet alone unity.

A&H is Articles and Happenings, which is now Articles and News, which is this subforum

 

[Michael Pemulis]

A&H is Articles and Happenings, which is now Articles and News, which is this subforum

Well then I think you're wrong about it. There are lots of different opinions here.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

You're obsessed with my sexuality, maybe YOU'RE gay.

You're just such a classic screaming queen it's kind of like if the dog starts opining on the economy whenever you weigh in on anything to do with reproduction.

The thing I'm worried about is if they are going to classify miscarriages as a form of abortion or not. I feel like it would be super shitty to have someone legit want their baby, only to lose them and then be charged for murder over something she had no control over.

Why would they do that? This is just pure speculative fiction imagination play/persecution fantasy.

It would be nearly impossible to prove any of those cases and a massive waste of time and resources. And the whole reason for dumping legal abortion is to save babies from unnecessarily being murdered, not to punish women for having reproductive systems. Consider this: people oppose abortion because they love babies, not because they "hate women." If you can finally get that through your skull you'll stop having these weird fantasies.

The fetus isn't alive, which is why its abortion involves some kind of sodium-based injection to kill it before it's ripped out limb by limb.

Miscarriages also aren't a thing.

Risky to do sarcasm on this topic when there are actual leftist morons making the same claims pretty much unironically.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

how would they even know if someone got an abortion out of state? if a woman finds out and doesn’t tell anybody about the pregnancy, then gets an abortion no one would know. it can be said too that they miscarried early.

honestly i don’t see why they care so much, the comparison to racism is stupid cause they only bring it up for their point, they don’t actually think it’s racist that’s just their poor attempt to use it as a guilt tactic.

not allowing abortion leads to more unfit parents, more money spent on welfare, and more kids who will grow up in fucked circumstances. there is no problem aborting a retard baby, the majority of people can’t and don’t want to spend all the extra work, money, and time it takes to raise a retarded child. might sound rude to say but it’s true.

then we have the unfit parents: teen mothers, mentally ill, junkies. tweakers will use their child for a gram of meth, those kids grow up with sexual trauma, which is a major factor in trooning out later in life. these lawmakers for whatever reason will go through any effort to prevent abortions, and the result of that will be disastrous and will show in the next few decades.

more than enough money already goes to welfare, banning abortion will worsen that. if anything abortions should be encouraged more to people unfit to raise children, or at least sterilization. cps is already overwhelmed and there’s many cases where they don’t take children out of abusive homes (and the problem of abuse isn’t any better in foster homes). abortion is a more humane choice than a lose-lose situation where a child will grow up abused/neglected.

you wanna know what’s in common with a lot of the mentally fucked up people you see nowadays? they have no father. if you want an improved society (that in the future can lead to less people needing abortions), there needs to be less single parenthood.

and if these lawmakers want to use the solution of “oh just put them up for adoption”, then they can adopt. when it comes to fixing our society, banning abortion is one of the most idiotic things that can be done!!

there’s nothing wrong with smoking weed so that’s a retarded comparison

"I don't wanna pay more taxes, so instead of trying to scrutinize how the government wastes my money, we need to kill kids!"

condoms are a form of birth control too, would that qualify as “murder”??

Read a biology textbook.