Law Abortion would be punishable as murder under new Louisiana proposal - IVF and birth control might be included

Less than 48 hours after a U.S. Supreme Court ruling was leaked, indicating the landmark abortion ruling in Roe v. Wade would be overturned, Louisiana lawmakers acted aggressively to bolster state law that bans the procedure.

The House Committee for the Administration of Criminal Justice advanced a bill Wednesday that would treat anyone who undergoes or administers an abortion as a murderer. The potential penalty for someone convicted could be life in prison.

Rep. Danny McCormick, R-Oil City, authored House Bill 813 that would also allow the state attorney general prosecute abortion cases that a local district attorney refuses. He told the committee Louisiana and other states had already violated federal law by approving medical marijuana, and any constitutional concerns about his proposal should be considered similarly.

“If more than 15 states can defy the federal government over marijuana, we can do it to save the lives of innocent babies,” McCormick said, adding Louisiana should not wait until the Supreme Court’s ruling is made official.

Supreme Court officials have confirmed the content of the draft opinion first obtained by Politico, adding that it could be altered before it’s certified later year. In reversing the Roe decision, states would then be empowered to enforce their own laws concerning abortion. Louisiana is among the states with a trigger law that bans abortions as soon as the Supreme Court ruling is final. Other states are considering similar proposals.

Backers of McCormick’s bill who testified before the committee referred to various Bible verses to back their stance. They included Susan Raborn, a Baton Rouge lawyer who acknowledged she had separately aborted twins and a single fetus she had carried. She said abortion rights supporters have confronted her about her past as a member of LSU’s Golden Girls and the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders, saying those opportunities and her subsequent legal career would not have been possible without having had abortion as an option.

Raborn, 61, spoke of her continuing guilt over ending her pregnancies, and she described abortion rights supporters as racists.

“They really want to kill minority babies. They love to kill minority babies …” she said. “They’re really the KKK of today.”

Statistics the Kaiser Family Foundation compiled show Black people accounted for 38% of abortions in 2019, compared with 33% for whites and 21% for Hispanics. Louisiana was among 21 states that did not report abortion data by race or ethnicity, according to KFF. A closer look at Southern states shows Black people obtained a far larger share of abortions in Alabama and Georgia, while white people vastly outnumbered other races in Kentucky.

Research has connected racial disparities in abortion to other fundamental inequalities: lack of access to health care and contraception, subpar public education and low income.

Opponents of House Bill 813 included lawyers who said language in the proposal would make procedures such as in-vitro fertilization and the freezing of embryos punishable crimes. Birth control pills, intrauterine devices and emergency contraception would also be outlawed, based on their interpretation of the bill.

Melissa Flournoy, a former state lawmaker and board chair of Louisiana Progress, said McCormick’s measure could have unintended consequences, including the “criminalization of miscarriages.”

Gov. John Bel Edwards, a Democrat with staunch anti-abortion views, would not offer personal comment Wednesday when asked about the leaked Supreme Court ruling. He did confirm that such a law would prompt Louisiana’s 2006 trigger law into effect.

Committee member Tony Bacala, R-Prairieville, expressed concerns about whether McCormick’s bill would be constitutional but voted in favor of it anyway. He was joined by Reps. Bryan Fontenot, R-Thibodaux; Ray Garafalo, R-Chalmette; Jonathan Goudeau, R-Lafayette; Nick Muscarello, R-Hammond; Alan Seabaugh, R-Shreveport; and McCormick.

The no votes on the committee came from chairman Joe Marino, an independent from Gretna, and Rep. Vanessa LaFleur, D-Baton Rouge.

Absent for the vote were Reps. Marcus Bryant, D-New Iberia; Valarie Hodges, R-Denham Springs; Denise Marcelle, D-Baton Rouge; Richard Nelson, R-Mandeville; and Debbie Villio, R-Kenner.

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A fetus isn't "technically" alive.
It's not alive if you tear it out with pliers and shit.
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I demand you adopt every unwanted and tard potato baby then. I can just imagine you screeching about this with steam coming out of your head. So walk the walk lady. Do it. More taxes for welfare too. That's a metric fuckton of welfare babies you're gonna be supporting.

This whole thing is retarded backwards and forwards. I am torn between being angry and just laughing while the world burns.

I need some hats. In spirit.🎩

Like every other crime, I don’t actually need to lift a finger or bribe anyone to force them to not murder children.
 
Having a consenting procedure =|= driving drunk, harming innocents. Try again.
No, he's saying that it doesn't matter if the woman's intent was to abort the baby that man is held guilty as if she wanted to keep it and is charged for its death as well. He's saying that's fucked up.

As for @Jet Fuel Johnny, he pointed out that if you kill a pregnant woman a lot of states have laws where you're on the hook for the unborn's death as an equivalent life, effectively this law just recognizes that for elective abortions.
 
A fetus isn't "technically" alive.
By any scientific or commonly understood definition of the term "alive" it very much is alive.

I know you're gay so you skipped the parts of high school biology that didn't interest you (all of it) but let's review:

-it is growing and changing, cells dividing and multiplying to create functioning organ systems
-it receives nutrients and uses them for energy and growth
-it has human DNA distinct from both the mother and the father
-within a couple weeks of conception it has a fully functional heart that beats audibly and circulates blood through its system- its own blood, a distinct ABORH from the mother's
-it can die.

These are all traits of a living being.
 
If these abortion threads have taught me anything, it's that the court was right.

Abortion is clearly not a settled matter in society and it was right to depoliticize the court by moving it to the public.
 
Won't the major cities (which are all blue) just declare themselves "Abortion Sanctuaries" and allow women to yeet their fetuses there?
 
Abortion is one thing, but anybody that would abort twins need to be locked up in the psyche ward for the rest of their lives. Do any of you fuckers know how rare it is to have twins?

1 in 250 chance

Besides, twins are adorable. Damn right that bitch regrets it.
 
You people keep spewing this line like it is some big gotcha. Then the Chad ACB adopts 4 unwanted black babies and you screech at her that she's an evil indoctrinator trad bitch who stole some poor black woman's babies just to make herself feel good.

And you think we aren't bored watching you run up and down the field with this, somehow.

Two of the children are adopted. The other five are hers.
 
No, he's saying that it doesn't matter if the woman's intent was to abort the baby that man is held guilty as if she wanted to keep it and is charged for its death as well. He's saying that's fucked up.

As for @Jet Fuel Johnny, he pointed out that if you kill a pregnant woman a lot of states have laws where you're on the hook for the unborn's death as an equivalent life, effectively this law just recognizes that for elective abortions.
I understood his argument; I think it's flawed. He said "drunk driver," there's the flaw. If you drive drunk and you kill somebody, that's 1000% your fault and you deserve to be held accountable.
 
“They really want to kill minority babies. They love to kill minority babies …” she said. “They’re really the KKK of today.”
Prolifers of both sexes are made for BBC. Oh noes not the heckin blackerino childrens!
 
By any scientific or commonly understood definition of the term "alive" it very much is alive.

I know you're gay so you skipped the parts of high school biology that didn't interest you (all of it) but let's review:

-it is growing and changing, cells dividing and multiplying to create functioning organ systems
-it receives nutrients and uses them for energy and growth
-it has human DNA distinct from both the mother and the father
-within a couple weeks of conception it has a fully functional heart that beats audibly and circulates blood through its system- its own blood, a distinct ABORH from the mother's
-it can die.

These are all traits of a living being.
You're obsessed with my sexuality, maybe YOU'RE gay.
 
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