Feminist Kiwis (not a honeypot)

[Overcast]

I don't really apply the term to myself. I am for equality though.

 

[Hanamura]

I don't call myself anything. Not an egalitarian, or a feminist, anti-feminist or MRA or whatever other shit exists now to describe these views, though I think that my views would align with the former the most and be mixed with certain elements from the second two positions. There are morons who would call themselves either feminists or MRAs, but others who identify with those things who aren't batshit crazy extremists like them.

With that said, I am in favor of social democracy and being in favor of equal opportunities regardless of what race or gender you are. Just like how even though I am an atheist, I don't go around trying to make these kinds of views to be what I identify with when someone asks me what I believe in. I never gave it much thought either when I called myself a progressive and wasn't aware that even that term has some negative connotations now.

Pretty much summed up how I feel.
I don't label myself as any of the above, I just have certain positions on certain issues. Some of those can lean on more of a feminist side, some more on the MRA side.

 

[Batman VS Tony Danza]

When I meet a woman who says she's a feminist it feels like Russian roulette . She could be a rational feminist or an SJW calling themselves a feminist. Many guys I know don't even wait around to find out. They just assume they mean the "everything is problematic" kind and bolt.

 

[Too Many Crooks]

When I meet a woman who says she's a feminist it feels like Russian roulette . She could be a rational feminist or an SJW calling themselves a feminist. Many guys I know don't even wait around to find out. They just assume they mean the "everything is problematic" kind and bolt.

SJW radfems have gotten to the point when people usually assume the worst. See, now that blows.

 

[Silver]

I used to call myself a feminist, but I made care to say that it wasn't radical feminism - I don't believe in the superiority of the female sex, only the equality of the female sex to the male sex. But then I realized two things: 1) equality of sexes doesn't just mean bringing certain treatments of women up to an "equal" standard, because there are certain fields in which men are unfairly discriminated against where they would need to be "brought up", which doesn't seem quite in line with feminism, and 2) the fact that I had to qualify it by saying it's not radical feminism - since radical feminism is the "norm" of feminism now, I'm trying to use a definition that isn't the "normal" one, which is what SJWs have done with all their co-opted terms from other communities and redefinitions of some of the labels they use. Since I disagree with that kind of redefining things to fit a self-serving ideal, I realized it's easier just to say I'm an egalitarian.

There was a time when I was close to the Tumblr ideal of radical feminism, though. I would never have been quite so ridiculous, but I was close.

 

[Bugaboo]

I think the majority of people want equality for everyone on earth, except those damn Martians fuck those guys

 

[Emiya Kiwitsugu]

I gladly identify myself as a feminist. I personally think the amount of people who claim to be feminist but are primarily SJWs is wildly overblown. The idea of a SJW in general is seems like one of those comically exaggerated things that doesn't exist for the most part off of tumblr. It's like people complaining about hipsters a few years past, it's the new Internet boogeyman who we can all agree sucks, but really doesn't exist a whole lot in our day-to-day personal lives.

There's always going to be people who take a stance way too far in any given social movement. Had you lived half a century ago, would you've been careful not describe yourself as a supporter of the Civil Rights Movement so you weren't confused with Malcolm X's ideology?

 

[Lipitor]

So like before I was exposed to feminists on the internet. I suppose I would have considered myself a feminist, although I would have felt uncomfortable labeling myself that way, cuz I'm male. I think women should have all the same rights as men do. It's clear that they by and large want reproductive rights, so I think they should have them. They shouldn't be discriminated against or denied anything due to their gender. I realize that there are some situations where certain intervention is needed to favor women, due to complicated circumstances. Oh yea, rape is bad mm'kay, I think we all know that.

However, where I deviate from them is when they get all butt hurt any time they see something that they feel offends them. Like when its a trivial matter they should just ignore but they kick and scream, and then stir up drama when no one acknowledges their stupid arguments. Too bad feminists, you're gonna be offended by stupid shit in this world. Doesn't mean you can scream rape over a video game character you didn't like or a line of dialogue in a movie. Calm the fuck down and be adult about it, then maybe I'd have a discussion with you about it. But instead some of them just go out accusing large sections of the populations misogynists or bigots just cuz they aren't butthurt too.

Having said that, I do think there is still legitimate sexism in the world. I mean women still have to put up the political fight to protect their reproductive rights and all. And there are definitely still legitimate misogynists in the world, not just people who like a game with a girl with big tits.

 

[PeteyCoffee]

I don't use the label feminist because of all the baggage, but I do support equality, and think that it's dangerous to pretend like sexism doesn't exist anymore.

How?

Feminism has been colored by chauvinistic extremism for around the past 50 years.
It's unfortunate that the movement turned out the way it did...

Why?

With that said, I am in favor of social democracy and being in favor of equal opportunities regardless of what race or gender you are. Just like how even though I am an atheist, I don't go around trying to make these kinds of views to be what I identify with when someone asks me what I believe in. I never gave it much thought either when I called myself a progressive and wasn't aware that even that term has some negative connotations now.

That shit's not progressive. It's been the social norm for 50 years.

I don't call myself a feminist because I actually kind of dislike men, and I really don't believe most feminists are misandrists/female supremacists like MRAs claim. Also my opinion does not come from the feminist realm of the internet, or even the "all men are rapists" crowd, it comes from MRA circles and other primarily male circles. Honestly I feel that feminists are the ones trying to convince me #notallmen while MRAs make it way worse. But other than that I'm pretty feminist, somewhere between 2nd and 3rd wave. I like Christina Hoff Sommers but don't agree with a lot of what she says. I don't like Anita, Zoe and others like them.

Then I dislike women because some are feminists. Honestly I feel the women are the ones trying to convince me "I'm not a feminist" and they just make it way worse.

I'm a feminist. Don't like Anita, Zoe or any of the big Gamergate girls. Obviously fucking hate the fucktards on the other side of the debate even more. MRAs can kiss my diaper

Yes men's rights is worse than women's rights.

It's a shame that feminists (and feminism itself) are referred to in a contemptuous manner these days because of the obnoxious radicals ranting about patriarchy and shit- especially since women are still treated abysmally in many parts of the world.

Now no one wants to call themselves "feminist", because they're unfairly be lumped in with angry misandrists (and hypocrites).

It's a shame MRAs are referred to in a contemptuous manner these days because gender politics is fucking dumb. Now no one wants to call themselves a "MRA", because they'll be unfairly lumped in with MRAs.

Loosely, yes. But like any person like a lick of sense I hold a pretty deep contempt for radical feminists. I think they're just as damaging, if not more so, than the people who plug their ears and say "la la la sexism is over."

How?

I gladly identify myself as a feminist. I personally think the amount of people who claim to be feminist but are primarily SJWs is wildly overblown. The idea of a SJW in general is seems like one of those comically exaggerated things that doesn't exist for the most part off of tumblr. It's like people complaining about hipsters a few years past, it's the new Internet boogeyman who we can all agree sucks, but really doesn't exist a whole lot in our day-to-day personal lives.

There's always going to be people who take a stance way too far in any given social movement. Had you lived half a century ago, would you've been careful not describe yourself as a supporter of the Civil Rights Movement so you weren't confused with Malcolm X's ideology?

You must not be familiar with American universities.

 

[Derbydollar]

Why?

It's a question that definitely deserves answering.

I would say that it's because special interests groups inherently invoke chauvinism.
By having a group that mostly excludes others on factors of race or gender, you run the risk of marginalizing those people internally in favor of those you're involved with.

If you're asking about why it's unfortunate the movement turned out it did...
I believe that feminism had great potential, but it has become squandered in the face of charlatans and gender-supremacists.
Women's suffrage is an example of a worthy goal met by feminists.

If you're asking me to substantiate my claims, I would like to direct you to the tumblr subforum.

 

[PeteyCoffee]

If you're asking about why it's unfortunate the movement turned out it did...
I believe that feminism had great potential, but it has become squandered in the face of charlatans and gender-supremacists.
Women's suffrage is an example of a worthy goal met by feminists

Women vote. What potential was squandered? What should the feminists be promoting which they currently aren't?

 

[TheProdigalStunna]

How?

Why?

That shit's not progressive. It's been the social norm for 50 years.

Then I dislike women because some are feminists. Honestly I feel the women are the ones trying to convince me "I'm not a feminist" and they just make it way worse.

Yes men's rights is worse than women's rights.

It's a shame MRAs are referred to in a contemptuous manner these days because gender politics is fucking dumb. Now no one wants to call themselves a "MRA", because they'll be unfairly lumped in with MRAs.

How?

You must not be familiar with American universities.

get laid lol

 

[Derbydollar]

Women vote. What potential was squandered? What should the Feminist movement be promoting which it currently isn't?

I personally believe that feminism's purpose is mostly done, but they could have formed a centralized group to fight for womens liberties- Like the ACLU, or something.
Rights tend to atrophy over time. You've got to fight to keep them.

 

[Emiya Kiwitsugu]

How?

Unless you're seriously under the belief that any -ism, be it sexism, racism, anti-semitism, etc, simply doesn't exist, it's bad to act like such a thing doesn't exist. If there is a societal problem with say, racism, it's best to acknowledge its existence, rather than sweep it under the rug and act like it isn't there. For example, people particularly began declaring that racism, at least against blacks was over once Obama was elected president, but the multiple protests and riots in communities across the countries due to tension between the populace and police attest otherwise. If you personally believe racism wasn't an issue, going out and saying, "lol racism doesn't exist," wouldn't be a good idea either, it would only make rioters more brazen--the destruction more rampant.

That shit's not progressive. It's been the social norm for 50 years.

We literally just had to have the Supreme Court decide only months earlier than it isn't acceptable for states to deny people rights depending on their orientation. Falling back on that same Civil Rights/racism reference, we only fifty-one years ago passed a law saying it wasn't okay to discriminate against people or segregate them. Fear or certain minorities, particularly Muslims after 9/11, and particularly reignited now in the wake of Paris, have only furthered this tension. I'd love it if what you said was true and been so for many years, but that's sadly not the case. Discrimination and prejudice is still a problem.

Then I dislike women because some are feminists. Honestly I feel the feminists are the ones trying to convince me "I'm not a feminist" and they just make it way worse.

Yes men's rights is worse than women's rights.

MRAs as a whole seem to have more vile rhetoric and beliefs than the opposition. It's not to say that there aren't any legitimate concerns, but it's not as if people who identify themselves as feminist or egalitarian don't believe the same. You don't have to create an entirely new social movement to address it.

It's a shame MRAs are referred to in a contemptuous manner these days because gender politics is fucking dumb. Now no one wants to call themselves a "MRA", because they'll be unfairly lumped in with MRAs.

I think the whole moral of this thread is that be it MRA or feminist, they are both seen contemptuously simply for what other people may misconstrue it as. Like, you know, the part where you dumb-rated me and got snarky because I said I'd describe myself as a feminist.

How?

Radicals on any side of a spectrum tend to damage and embolden the opposition. Decrying the opposition as being a bunch of evil pigs rather than trying to come together peacefully and make your case is obviously going to piss off the people on said opposition more.

You must not be familiar with American universities.

I've only attended an American university for multiple years. Sorry if that's not good enough.

 

[Sperglord Dante]

There's always going to be people who take a stance way too far in any given social movement. Had you lived half a century ago, would you've been careful not describe yourself as a supporter of the Civil Rights Movement so you weren't confused with Malcolm X's ideology?

If the Nation of Islam followers had been by far the most vocal group in the Civil Rights movement and not MLK's, then I doubt we would look back at it as good thing at all.

 

[autisticdragonkin]

Feminism is a method through which I express my dominance over weaker men. I want to liberate hypergamy so that my rivals will become incels and I will become a Chad

But I do think that traditional gender norms are economically obsolete and as a result the long term efficient orientation will no longer be a monogamous family unit in which the woman stays home and the man works

 

[PeteyCoffee]

Unless you're seriously under the belief that any -ism, be it sexism, racism, anti-semitism, etc, simply doesn't exist, it's bad to act like such a thing doesn't exist. If there is a societal problem with say, racism, it's best to acknowledge its existence, rather than sweep it under the rug and act like it isn't there. For example, people particularly began declaring that racism, at least against blacks was over once Obama was elected president, but the multiple protests and riots in communities across the countries due to tension between the populace and police attest otherwise. If you personally believe racism wasn't an issue, going out and saying, "lol racism doesn't exist," wouldn't be a good idea either, it would only make rioters more brazen--the destruction more rampant.

Why do you care so much about racists? Why do racists need such attention?

We literally just had to have the Supreme Court decide only months earlier than it isn't acceptable for states to deny people rights depending on their orientation. Falling back on that same Civil Rights/racism reference, we only fifty-one years ago passed a law saying it wasn't okay to discriminate against people or segregate them. Fear or certain minorities, particularly Muslims after 9/11, and particularly reignited now in the wake of Paris, have only furthered this tension. I'd love it if what you said was true and been so for many years, but that's sadly not the case. Discrimination and prejudice is still a problem.

Before feminists violated the separation of church and state and made marriage a government program, gays could get married. Civil rights also made it illegal to throw the shop owners who refused to segregate their businesses in prison and confiscate their property anymore. Yeah, I wouldn't hire a black person because then I can never fire him or he might sue me for discrimination and then I'd lose everything. Same with orthodox jews and disabled people.

MRAs as a whole seem to have more vile rhetoric and beliefs than the opposition. It's not to say that there aren't any legitimate concerns, but it's not as if people who identify themselves as feminist or egalitarian don't believe the same. You don't have to create an entirely new social movement to address it.

They don't believe the same. Feminists are against MRAs and MRAs are against Feminists.

I think the whole moral of this thread is that be it MRA or feminist, they are both seen contemptuously simply for what other people may misconstrue it as. Like, you know, the part where you dumb-rated me and got snarky because I said I'd describe myself as a feminist.

And racists. Racists are seen contemptuously simply for what other people may misconstrue it as.

Radicals on any side of a spectrum tend to damage and embolden the opposition. Decrying the opposition as being a bunch of evil pigs rather than trying to come together peacefully and make your case is obviously going to piss off the people on said opposition more.

It all sucks.

I've only attended an American university for multiple years. Sorry if that's not good enough.

#BlackLivesMatter #Mizzou

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

In my eyes the main issue with the current Feminism movement it that the extremes get all the attention thanks to social media trends and the click-bait media sites.

IE; #killallmen and cishet-patriarchy conspiracy, put all men in camps and so on. Grrrrrrl power and the need to equalize out-comes rather then equalizing opportunities. You never hear about sensible discussion because that doesn't bring in the ad revenue so your left with the impression most Feminist are total whack jobs.

Feminism has almost run it course IMHO. Women have equal rights under the law in almost every aspect of their lies (idiocy from the religious right about pro-creation not withstanding) and as the older generation moves off into the sunset the new movers and shakers have little concern over sex like the old guard.

 

[PeteyCoffee]

Feminism is a method through which I express my dominance over weaker men. I want to liberate hypergamy so that my rivals will become incels and I will become a Chad

But I do think that traditional gender norms are economically obsolete and as a result the long term efficient orientation will no longer be a monogamous family unit in which the woman stays home and the man works

That's true to some extent, however women still have babies and usually want to stay home with them for a while.

 

[autisticdragonkin]

That's true to some extent, however women still have babies and usually want to stay home with them for a while.

What I said was that in the long term the efficient family structure will involve one woman who specializes in childrearing and the other women will take a little time off after giving birth but will quickly go back into the workforce.