Covid/mRNA Vaccine Info General - "Covid Seasonal Flu Vaccines is Society's New Normal" - FDA

[GoysGoneWild]

Then you understand why I won't trust conservatives who want me burned at the stake for "enabling tyranny", yes?

I've not met a random stranger online who's proven to have my best interests at heart more than my doctor.

No, actually, because we aren't the same side of the same coin. If you wanna get butthurt about conservatives saying something dumb, I don't care, but that's a stupid reason to get butthurt. Conservatives aren't trying to make you lose your job, be banned from going outside and effectively have healthcare denied for not getting the reddit jab. This isn't a "both sides" thing. If the thing that pisses you off about all this is conservative cuckery, you're picking the wrong shit to get pissed about, probably on purpose.

Oh and btw, if you advocate for me losing my job because I consider my default state to be "fine", then fuck you, and I would throw the match on the pyre myself. Just so we're clear. Pro-mandate people are pushing for real life-ruining shit; you're gonna get real anger in return.

I've not met a random stranger online who's proven to have my best interests at heart more than my doctor.

Congrats on having a decent doctor. Most of us don't get that luxury anymore.

 

[Wormy]

Conservatives aren't trying to make you lose your job

They are actually. I won't powerlevel by telling you my job, but I've had plenty tell me I should be fired from it for my political bent. Hell, conservatives have advocated the very thing I work for and am a part of be abolished.

I'll let you guess what institution I'm talking about, and your free hint is NO, It's not abortion clinics.

be banned from going outside

Neither are liberals. NOBODY is, frankly.

This isn't a "both sides" thing. If the thing that pisses you off about all this is conservative cuckery, you're picking the wrong shit to get pissed about, probably on purpose.

And who are you to tell me how I should feel about being insulted? I thought that was the shit that SJW's get up to....

Oh and btw, if you advocate for me losing my job because I consider my default state to be "fine", then fuck you

Good thing I don't.

Pro-mandate people are pushing for real life-ruining shit; you're gonna get real anger in return.

I'm not pro-mandate. Said it several times before, I don't support a mandate because mandates of this level never yield the result they should, and only embitter people.

I got my jab because of a personal recommendation from someone I trust. I don't take health advice from internet randos regardless of political bent. Conservatives want me to do just that, trust them over people I know and have done right by me, because Reasons, and if I don't, I'm Counter Revolutionary if I can use a communist term.

Congrats on having a decent doctor. Most of us don't get that luxury anymore.

It's called doing the adult thing and shopping around. It's not that hard.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

No, actually, because we aren't the same side of the same coin. If you wanna get butthurt about conservatives saying something dumb, I don't care, but that's a stupid reason to get butthurt.

This.

There were a handful of people mad that I caved and got the J&J, that I should have just temporarily quit my career and worked wagie shit to pwn uber-vaxxers otherwise I was "complying and prolonging" the Coronapanic.
Likewise, there are an assload of people pissed that I didn't get an mRNA two-shot, that I didn't line up as soon as I could to get the shot, that I wont get the boosters and that even if I had the fact I didn't go full Winston Smith and declare my love for Fauci, the boomers, vaccines and society would never forgive me otherwise.

If you let a few wing nuts on either end of the spectrum dictate your actions, then you're already doing it wrong.

They are actually. I won't powerlevel by telling you my job, but I've had plenty tell me I should be fired from it for my political bent. Hell, conservatives have advocated the very thing I work for and am a part of be abolished.

Are you a taxman, a glowie or a journo?

 

[Sanshain]

@EyelessMC Do you have any information regarding Novavax? I've heard a few good things about it here and there, like that it doesn't use mRNA shit, which I will never let into my body out of principle. There is immense pressure on me to get the jab, and it's either Novavax or the Russian injection, which I'm 100% convinced at this point is a saline shot.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

@EyelessMC Do you have any information regarding Novavax? I've heard a few good things about it here and there, like that it doesn't use mRNA shit, which I will never let into my body out of principle. There is immense pressure on me to get the jab, and it's either Novavax or the Russian injection, which I'm 100% convinced at this point is a saline shot.

Of the top of my head Novavax is a traditional vaccine that uses a weakened virus of the same species/strain as the targeted pathogen.
Supposedly its designed by Bill Gates people so the tinfoil-adjacent types are skeptical of it.

 

[PFM]

Neither are liberals. NOBODY is, frankly.

I think you're being a bit disingenuous here...

 

[Shaka Brah]

Of the top of my head Novavax is a traditional vaccine that uses a weakened virus of the same species/strain as the targeted pathogen.
Supposedly its designed by Bill Gates people so the tinfoil-adjacent types are skeptical of it.

No, it's a "protein subunit vaccine." Basically instead of giving you gene therapy to make spikes they inject you with a bunch of spikes made by a bio-engineered moth culture instead.

Edit: BTW, the New York Times is now reporting what people like us have been banned from social media for talking about. The vagzine disrupts women's menstrual cycles and the effect on fertility is unknown and has not been studied.

Women’s Periods May Be Late After Coronavirus Vaccination, Study Suggests

An analysis of thousands of menstrual records offers support for anecdotal reports of erratic cycles after shots.

www.nytimes.com

https://archive.is/sZP71

 

[Protistology]

@EyelessMC Do you have any information regarding Novavax? I've heard a few good things about it here and there, like that it doesn't use mRNA shit, which I will never let into my body out of principle. There is immense pressure on me to get the jab, and it's either Novavax or the Russian injection, which I'm 100% convinced at this point is a saline shot.

Neither are traditional. Novavax is subunit and the Russian one is adenovector.

The Chinese and street shitters will inherit the earth.

 

[Wormy]

I think you're being a bit disingenuous here...

No. Who is saying "You're not allowed outside"?

Are you a taxman, a glowie or a journo?

Nope, but still an institution that conservatives want abolished.

 

[russianbot]

The curious case of New South Wales

A wasted opportunity to avoid becoming a Nazi state?

metatron.substack.com

COVID-19 takes life of longtime Nashville doctor, family says

Following a 12-day stint in the hospital, Dimitri passed away on December 20 from complications.

www.wkrn.com

 

[Gay Mouth]

No. Who is saying "You're not allowed outside"?


Nope, but still an institution that conservatives want abolished.

You’ve been derailing the thread for 3 pages with the bizarre claim that over the autumn season NO ONE was attempting to curtail unvaxxed people’s civil rights, while also equally bizarrely claiming ‘conservatives’ have called for you to be literally lynched. You backed up this ignorant claim by saying you haven’t heard of the president of France or anything else that’s been going on. It’s fucking boring and no one here or elsewhere gives a shit about your online expirience or total lack of global awareness. Read the thread to educate yourself before shitting up the thread with retard powerlevels. It’s the least you can do.

P.S. Go back to work at your tee hee mystery industry that the ebil conservatives want to shut down in a totally personal attack against you

 

[Wy4M]

According to this study a Pfizer vaccine costs 1.18$ to produce and a Moderna vaccine costs 2.85$ to produce:

Vaccine monopolies make cost of vaccinating the world against COVID at least 5 times more expensive than it could be | Oxfam International

www.oxfam.org

https://archive.is/DaMKd

The above article mentions that Pfizer sells their vaccine at an average price of 16.25$ but that was outdated data; Almost a year ago in Feb 2021 it was 19.5$ and the last couple of months Big Pharma were 'forced' to increase the price a few times because of 'reasons'.

Also almost a year ago in Feb 2021 the CEO of Pfizer already knew that booster shots would become necessary and said:
"the current vaccine cost is unrepresentative of the company’s pricing model.
... typically get for a vaccine, $150, $175 per dose"

Not bad if you can sell something for 150-175$ that costs about 1.18$ to produce. Especially if you semi-force majority of the world population to buy your product... Over and over again.

Pfizer exec sees 'significant opportunity' to increase COVID vaccine price for annual booster shot

The exec. has previously noted current vaccine cost is unrepresentative of the company's pricing model

nationalpost.com

https://archive.is/WQW0j

In February 2021

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

@EyelessMC Do you have any information regarding Novavax? I've heard a few good things about it here and there, like that it doesn't use mRNA shit, which I will never let into my body out of principle. There is immense pressure on me to get the jab, and it's either Novavax or the Russian injection, which I'm 100% convinced at this point is a saline shot.

Why not the J&J or the Oxford–AstraZeneca vaccines as well?

 

[Sanshain]

Why not the J&J or the Oxford–AstraZeneca vaccines as well?

People I've known who had these have had horrific side-effects. The J&J one in particular seems to be great at giving people blood clots. I don't necessarily think Novavax is going to be any better, but I'm cautiously optimistic on the basis that I haven't heard any horror stories about it yet.

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

The J&J one in particular seems to be great at giving people blood clots.

From the CDC:

In most situations, Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna COVID-19 vaccines are preferred over the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine for primary and booster vaccination due to the risk of serious adverse events.

There is a plausible causal relationship between J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine and a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets (thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome, or TTS).
It occurs at a rate of about 3.83 cases per million Janssen doses and has resulted in deaths.

So:

1. "plausible causal relationship"; so not 100% confirmed.
2. Do you have "low platelets (thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome, or TTS)"? Easiest way I can think of finding that out (besides visiting a doctor) is donating platelets at a blood donation clinic; they will certainly tell you whether or not you have a low platelet count and you can help others with a life-saving donation (often going to cancer patients, burn victims and neonatal patients) at the same time (assuming you have a healthy platelet count or not).
3. "3.83 cases per million Janssen doses"; low odds. Again, you should only really be concerned about such odds if you do indeed have TTS.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Why not the J&J or the Oxford–AstraZeneca vaccines as well?

J&J and AZ both just use a different species of virus to accomplish the same goal as the mRNA vaccines.

What I don't understand is the obsession with the spike protein, or honestly any one single protein.

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

J&J and AZ both just use a different species of virus to accomplish the same goal as the mRNA vaccines.

What I don't understand is the obsession with the spike protein, or honestly any one single protein.

As this post shows:

Ver archivo adjunto 2869365

Such viral vector vaccines aren't as new as the DNA and RNA alternatives, though their development is still pretty recent; the rVSV-ZEBOV vaccine, a viral vector vaccine against Ebola, has been used as early as 2016 in Guinea (emergency use) and approved by the US and EU by the end of 2019.

 

[Lumpy.Nuala]

People I've known who had these have had horrific side-effects. The J&J one in particular seems to be great at giving people blood clots. I don't necessarily think Novavax is going to be any better, but I'm cautiously optimistic on the basis that I haven't heard any horror stories about it yet.

Honestly, I have seen many more side-effects in my life from Moderna than AZ, the most I have seen from AZ in person are two cases of slight magnetisation.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

As this post shows:

Such viral vector vaccines aren't as new as the DNA and RNA alternatives, though their development is still pretty recent; the rVSV-ZEBOV vaccine, a viral vector vaccine against Ebola, has been used as early as 2016 in Guinea (emergency use) and approved by the US and EU by the end of 2019.

I never said they were as new? I just said they used a different species of virus to accomplish the same outcome.
That is getting your own cells to produce and express the surface proteins of the pathogen in question.

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

I never said they were as new? I just said they used a different species of virus to accomplish the same outcome.
That is getting your own cells to produce and express the surface proteins of the pathogen in question.

J&J and AZ both just use a different species of virus to accomplish the same goal as the mRNA vaccines.

What I don't understand is the obsession with the spike protein, or honestly any one single protein.

There is a difference in the spike protein between the AZ vaccine and the others:

The AstraZeneca vaccine uses the wild-type protein sequence while the Moderna, Pfizer/BioNTech, Novavax and Janssen include a slight modification to the sequence meant to stabilize the protein in the “prefusion” conformation.

The Moderna, Pfizer/BioNTech, Janssen (Johnson and Johnson) and Novavax vaccines contain the modified spike protein sequence that stabilizes the spike protein into the pre-fusion conformation. Scientists think that keeping the spike protein in the pre-fusion conformation may lead to more neutralizing antibodies. Time will tell whether the vaccines with the locked prefusion conformation spike protein will be more effective against SARS-CoV2 compared to the other vaccines which contain the wild-type spike protein.

Is the sequence of the spike protein different between the different vaccines?

A: Yes! The AstraZeneca vaccine uses the wild-type protein sequence while the Moderna, Pfizer/BioNTech, Novavax and Janssen include a slight modification

dearpandemic.org

See also this study; "Modification of the Spike Protein for Vaccines against Enveloped RNA Viruses": https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8390073/
Also "Vaccines against COVID-19: Priority to mRNA-Based Formulations": https://www.mdpi.com/2073-4409/10/10/2716/pdf


Again, the AstraZeneca vaccine is an option for those not keen on the idea of a modified protein sequence.