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I posted about James Barry before, and Barry had a difficult time passing sometimes. Other males noticed her small stature - around 5'4 - and her prepubescent male sounding voice. Barry always insisted on dressing alone, away from other males, and would get very angry if men poked around too much. Safe to say some of them might have known she was really a woman. Gwendolyn Christie could pass as a man better than her.

But the based black (?) man always delivers. Getting your pussy pounded doesn't make you a man. If Barry really was getting cozy with some of her superior officers, they would have DEFINITELY known she was really a woman and kept her around solely for that pussy.

Maybe, but maybe it was also the case that various people suspected or knew the truth but didn't do anything because she was good at her job and did not make a fuss or do anything that caused them to have to confront reality. Why expose someone as female when a) it would make you look stupid and b) it would leave you down a man (so to speak)?

If you look at the letter that Barry's physician sent back to the registry office regarding Barry's death certificate:

...Amongst other things [the woman who discovered Barry's sex postmortem] said that Dr Barry was a female and that I was a pretty doctor not to know this and she would not like to be attended by me. I informed her that it was none of my business whether Dr Barry was a male or a female, and that I thought that she might be neither, viz. an imperfectly developed man. She then said that she had examined the body, and was a perfect female and farther that there were marks of him having had a child when very young. I then enquired how have you formed that conclusion. The woman, pointing to the lower part of her stomach, said 'from marks here. I am a married woman and the mother of nine children and I ought to know.'​
The woman seems to think that she had become acquainted with a great secret and wished to be paid for keeping it. I informed her that all Dr Barry's relatives were dead, and that it was no secret of mine, and that my own impression was that Dr Barry was a Hermaphrodite. But whether Dr Barry was a male, female, or hermaphrodite I do not know, nor had I any purpose in making the discovery as I could positively swear to the identity of the body as being that of a person whom I had been acquainted with as Inspector-General of Hospitals for a period of years.​


His attitude is pretty clearly "yeah maybe I don't give a fuck."

A similar thing used to go on with gays and (especially) lesbians in the US military: everyone knew that particular people were homosexual, but as long as there was plausible deniability, they just pretended not to know. I actually heard a story about a man who tried to get separated from the military in the 90s (?) before DADT was abolished, so he went to one of his superiors and admitted that he was gay. And the superior basically did a slightly more subtle version of putting his hands over his ears and yelling "LALALA SORRY I CAN'T HEAR YOU" because he didn't want to deal with being whatever the military equivalent of understaffed is. (I forget if he eventually successfully separated this way or not)

I think the more restricted in terms of gender roles and homosexuality a society is, the more people are willing to indulge in polite fiction in certain cases, and pretend that the two ladies who have lived together for 60 years are just 'good friends,' or that the suspiciously tiny man with the squeaky voice who is good at his job is truly a man.

I am not trying to paint the past as idyllic or anything, these people still had no legal protections, and even if they were tolerated, they had to live knowing that they were only 'protected' by the whims of others. And in fact one of my problems with troonery is that it pushes us back towards this model of "everyone who defies gender roles must be a member of the opposite sex; let's all play along and lie to each other and pretend that gender roles are great except for the few exceptions that don't fit.'

That said. This is apparently an actual photo of Barry:

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Can't see all that well, obviously, but I wouldn't clock that at a glance. She looks like she has male pattern baldness. Did she do that to herself? World's first Kikomi? :thinking:
 
NOTE: They do not in fact "literally remake the body [with] implications to longer term medical research"
Wound care research, or endocrine disorder research perhaps.

I love how they throw out medical/biology buzwords and go on about "endocrine system hacking" and "gene hacking", and even admit they know those aren't the same thing, if they mean anything at all, just desparate to drape themselves in cool "sciencey" sounding things.
 
Still thinking about how that preschool teacher identifies as a "nonbinary trans". What the shit does that even mean. Trans no longer has any meaning beyond "rejecting my birth gender".

"Transgender" is even seen as offensive as it's just shortened to "trans" now. I'm sure TRANS will eventually become rewritten to be some acronym.
 
There seems to be a new breed of male out there who has picked up “trans rights” as a way of getting to harass women in a socially acceptable way. See Adrian Harrop, David Paisley, etc. Wouldn’t surprise me if this guy was the same. Has probably convinced himself he’s being heroic and weeding out TERFs and doesn’t stop to question why he’s only targeting women or why doing it makes his peepee hard.

Just the action of sending his female colleagues those messages, even if they’re wise enough to reply with something neutral, sends a message and gives him power over the women he’s messaging: “I am watching you, and I will make efforts to destroy you if you step out of line. I can force you to lie and police your own thoughts, as this exchange has shown. I have power over you.” Trans activism is just a tool to give him that feeling of power.
Absolutely. Late, but i think the best way to reply to attempted entrapment is simply to ask why they would like to know. If they object, say it’s because you want to direct them to the correct department. Then send them somewhere else (“I’m sure HR can help you out with that.” Or if you’re in HR: “hmm… that sounds like something our Diversity Programs Department should handle.” Or even “Have you talked to your union representative?”) If they try to bring it back around to finding out your opinion, keep asking variations of “I don’t understand. What is it you need?”
If he throws in his “we shouldn’t give jobs to gender critical people” trash opinion, grab the moral high ground: “well, we legally aren’t allowed to discriminate on the basis of political ideology or religious belief, the same way we don’t discriminate on the basis of gender identity or sexuality. If we were to even ask a person’s political opinions at a job interview, it could open us up to discrimination lawsuits. “
Above all else, stay calm. If you remain calm while he’s getting upset, observers will see you as the sane reasonable one.

Carrie and Keanu look great for people in their 50's. "Lana" looks like Crackwhore Sideshow Bob.
You’d think he’d be able to afford better looking extensions. Looks like he bought that shit at Party City.

This cow is one of my favorites because they're so incredibly into themself but always have this pained Tucker Carlson kind of look on their face. The endless stream of uncomfortable selfies fuels me. Everything they post is narc bait to show off their body even when it's nominally about some other topic, like their very nuanced and thorough take on the morality of dudes born in the 18th century:

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That’s the most awkwardly posed selfie i’ve ever seen

Lol, love how the first response was from a troon suggesting he get bangs.

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As though that would help him.
Maybe if they were long enough to completely cover his face 🤔
 
Someone upthread said that FTMs choosing ridiculous names aren't picking them form the top 100 baby names of their birthyear, and I've gotta disagree somewhat with that because I went up and looked for the top US baby names from the year I was born (late 90s) and had I been male my choices would include such FTM classics as:
Caleb, Chase, Noah, Dalton, Cole, Devin, Logan, Ethan and Hunter.

Top choice in the US was Michael. UK names were a little more normal, top choice was Jack and the rest were pretty standard. (I asked my Mum what she would have called me if I was a boy and she said 'Patrick' so I guess I dodged a bullet there. Patrick was the 50th most popular boys' name.)

Looking at the US list from this year, the choices include:
Levi, Mason, Asher, Ethan, Aiden, Logan, Grayson, Jackson, Ezra, Hudson, Luka, Maverick (??), Elias, Jaxon, Kai, Eli. Hunter has been kicked from the list and replaced with the arguably worse 'Maverick', top choice is 'Liam'. Girl names are fairly normal, although there is 'Nova' abotu halfway down which is weird.

Aiden (normal spelling) was in the UK top 100 for the year I was born, but not US, so it's a recent transposition. That sounds rigth to me since I know a few Aidens my own age who are not trans, just Irish. In 2021 it's number 15 for boys in the US.

Unrelated but an interesting tranny related tidbit. I was talking to a guy recently and somehow the topic of trans stuff came up. I casually mentioned some of my problems regarding womens' sex based rights and such and the guy looked visibly relieved. He also called them trannies so I guess we're both TERFS now, lol.
 
I love how the matrix dude has dreads. Because its fun watching woke people suddenly go quiet about their hatred of white people with dreads once a trans person wears them
The backlash is bubbling under, yet to be touched by mainstream outlets. But it’s there. This tweet made the rounds last week:

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And a bunch of white libs clutched their pearls over the transphobia!!! only to be dragged for failing to see that the point was the dreads.

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Some trans stan types predictably rejected OP’s explanation and continued to insinuate transphobia despite the hair being the obvious focus pulling subject of the photo.

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But there was a lot of cheerful Wachowski mockery in the replies, too. Black Twitter dgaf about the white woke people code that says trans status is supposed to confer protection from any and all unrelated criticisms.
 
Wound care research, or endocrine disorder research perhaps.

I love how they throw out medical/biology buzwords and go on about "endocrine system hacking" and "gene hacking", and even admit they know those aren't the same thing, if they mean anything at all, just desparate to drape themselves in cool "sciencey" sounding things.
Medical/biology buzzwords is spot on. They like declaring that "uhh there is scientific evidence sweaty" and then if anyone asks for it (which hardly anyone does because it is Reddit) they will produce some shady study from 1995 that has never been replicated, but most redditors will just say "wow it's a heckin' science paper!" and accept it.

One hilarious thing I have noticed lately is that a lot of redditors have developed an odd fixation on Klinefelter syndrome, which they seem to think is the mystical tranny intersex unicorn they have all been searching for (probably because it usually gives you XXY chromosomes, and those chromosomes look intersex):

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It takes very little time to figure out that literally everything in that comment is wrong, but I guess most Redditors don't do that, because people aren't accustomed to others constantly spewing out paragraphs of confidently incorrect bullshit about genetic disorders. And this shit is everywhere.

I suppose the idea is that if you tell enough people that biological sex is complicated and fuzzy, and that the karyotypes of sex-chromosome trisomies and monosomies count as heckin' valid alternate human sexes, and hidden intersex people are more common than redheads and are all around us, then those talking points will be repeated by obedient normies in arguments against single-sex spaces.

Of course this involves everyone pretending to suddenly be in the dark about stuff that humans have literally known since before recorded history (a male and a female are needed to produce an infant mammal) but who cares about that if it serves the purpose of allowing men with a fetish to make women uncomfortable in changing rooms?
 
I was told wearing dreads as a white person was cultural appropriation and racist against the black people, when did it change?
Or are trannies given an N-word pass when they troon out?

If you think about it, a group of mostly white men had the balls to protest a black man so I guess they get the N-word pass.

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Fuckin' google censorship, had to specify "terra field kiwifarms" to find that polycule picture.
 
I was told wearing dreads as a white person was cultural appropriation and racist against the black people, when did it change?
Or are trannies given an N-word pass when they troon out?
It's how the oppression stack tends to work.

White people weren't supposed to criticise homophobia in PoC communities as it was perpetuating racism, and it should be left to LGBT PoC to comment on it.

Now cis people aren't supposed to comment on racism in transgender people, as it perpetuates transphobia and it should be left to black trans women to comment on it.

You can see it with that video of the weird troon saying vaguely racist stuff in the Starbucks from /r/publicfreakouts - the (predominately white) redditors were claiming that the black woman must have provoked him her and that he she also probably had mental health issues and shouldn't be judged too harshly. They would not have been saying that if that was a cis man.

However there's plenty of black people who dgaf and will call a spade a spade. So in essence it's usually white liberals giving trans women the N-word pass, because they'd hate to criticise a trans woman more than they'd hate to criticise a black person. Especially anything to do with a trans woman's appearance.

You can see the cognitive dissonance kicking in on Twitter, including "ok you're right, but cis people criticising a trans person is bad optics":
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Meanwhile black people who didn't get the memo (or don't care about the memo) are pissed at her for singling out black people in her criticism:
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(I'm on the black people's side in this one obviously). There's also a bunch of teens who hadn't seen Cloud Atlas and are now just discovering that she made all the actors wear Asian prosthetics to try and make them look Korean in a literal example of (bad) yellow face:

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There was a gimmicky in-universe reason for this, but some of the actors look like aliens. Since it's Asians it's getting less traction.
 

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Being trans should disqualify you from working with children. Its basically the same as being a sex offender.
I agree with this but not so much in the way you'd think...

I think in the end it comes down to a matter of character and judgement. I do not think that most of them would actively diddle kids as much as the way they present and interact with people would be a negative influence on a developing child.

Many troons do not dress appropriately. I knew a high school troon teacher who was wearing stuff that was more like a 12 year olds attire. I cannot see how it would not be a major distraction and cause a lot of issues with the students and parents. There are already cases of trans students raping other students and of teachers pushing students into transition and hiding it from Parents.

Also - sexualizing children too young is child abuse and can seriously mess someone up, considering how many of these people are emotionally stunted abuse survivors themselves it makes me really uncomfortable how soon they want to teach kids about sex.

One last thing has really had me thinking lately. The key to being a happy and healthy individual and functioning in society is to know and love yourself. You have to know who you are and accept the good and bad. Well I think fundamentally all troons are running from a self they absolutely hate. I used to wonder if all trans people were just incapable of healthy relationships. Now I can see that anyone with that level of self hatred just doesn't have the tools to be a healthy person.
I think that having such a negative and self hating influence around kids is a bad idea.

I cannot stand the queering of education. Instead of simply showing that Boys can like animals, dolls and cooking and girls can like sports, fixing thing, and wrestling we are telling these kids they are born in the wrong bodies putting them at odds with their families and setting them up for a lifetime of chemical dependence.
 
"I want long hair, am I trans?"

Jesus, these people really put gender in tiny little weird boxes. Jason fucking momoa rocks long hair. Every metal head since the 60s has long hair. Men regularly have long haie
Jason Momoa or metal heads don’t have long hair because it’s a sex thing. They might think it makes them more attractive to women, but they don’t get horny thinking about how they’ve feminized themselves with long hair.
 
USA swimming official of over 30 years who resigned over tranny swimmer Lia Thomas appears on Fox News



While I appreciate Fox News for covering this, I hope other media outlets stop acting like nothing's happening but that's probably asking too much from them.
 
"I want long hair, am I trans?"

Jesus, these people really put gender in tiny little weird boxes. Jason fucking momoa rocks long hair. Every metal head since the 60s has long hair. Men regularly have long haie

Hair length has not been a gender signifier for women since at least the 1920s and for men since at least the 1960s - at least, not outside certain religious circles and deeply conservative communities. Yes, there are still people who get uptight over men's hair, but their opinions have literally nothing to do with gender politics, nor do they genuinely believe men with hair below their collar line are somehow "girls," they are just uptight spergs.

What this really is is another example of how troons have this incredibly narrow minded idea of what sex and/or gender markers are or should be (depending on how they are defining those things in any given moment, since that depends largely on their perception of which way the argument is going), as well as their profound egotism - they demand all people "respect" whatever identity they choose to put on, but they have no respect for nor recognition of the identities of others - in this case, anyone with long hair must be a woman, no other options. In other words, from a troon's perspective:

Woman:

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Also a woman, because hair is a gender signifier:

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And finally, a man, apparently:

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Here's a novel idea. If y'all don't want male facial hair growth, maybe reconsider vanity testosterone treatments: 🤪


As a dude with really coarse and stubborn facial hair that requires a thorough 20 minute daily wet shave in order to not look and feel like a homeless man who hasn't shaved in a week, I don't have an ounce of empathy for TIFs who complain about facial hair as an unwanted side effect of their vanity testosterone treatments. That goes for excessive body hair as well. You're a fucking "man" now, deal with the beard and shag carpeting like the rest of us do.
 
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Apologies if I missed it and feel free to rate me late but I'm surprised nobody mentioned how even Lia Thomas's own teammates don't support his shit. (mobile fag here, sorry if my formatting is off.)



I know I'm preaching to the choir but there is no reason a man should be allowed to compete alongside women, especially in an individual sport where a fraction of a second is the difference between 1st and 2nd place.

I swim competitively, that shit is my life and so I'm especially infuriated seeing this shit. Swimming, like any sport, requires sacrifice. You sacrifice sleep, your social life, ect. If he really gave a shit about his sport, he wouldn't have trooned out. He would've put his love for the sport above whatever desire he had to cut his dick off. Either he doesn't give a shit about a successful swimming career, or he cares so much that he was willing to ostracize himself just so he could dominate over everyone else.

Sorry for pinging again, but I think you might like this op-ed from the Editor-in-Chief of Swimming World magazine

Protection of Women’s Sports At the Heart Of Lia Thomas Situation

The word bigot has been hurled. Been accused of transphobia. Said to be heartless. The list goes on, many of the insults or attacks inappropriate for print. It comes with the journalistic territory, especially when a controversial topic is tackled, and in this age of toughness when hiding behind an anonymous social-media account is typical.

There have also been plenty of supportive comments and emails, from individuals appreciative that a contentious topic has been addressed, and a stance has been taken on an issue that could have a serious impact on the sport not just now, but into the future.

Here’s the thing: The Lia Thomas controversy is not going to disappear anytime soon, and Swimming World – and myself as Editor-in-Chief – will not shy away from continuing coverage. We will document the storyline’s impact on the pool and the potential influence it will have on the greater sports world. We will focus on the uneven playing field faced by biological female athletes. And…AND…we will discuss solutions to ensure Thomas is offered some form of inclusivity.

Laziness, ignorance, or agenda-driven positioning – in some cases – have attempted to make the Lia Thomas situation about transgenderism. Since coverage of her situation started earlier this month, that has never been the case. It is terrific that Thomas has found her identity as a woman and as a swimmer, and wants to continue her swimming career. From the get-go, this issue has been about one thing – the protection of fairness for biological female athletes and women’s sports.

By now, the narrative of the Thomas saga is well-known. If a quick rehash is required, here we go. Thomas is a transgender woman who competed for three years as a member of the University of Pennsylvania men’s program. Following hormone-suppressant therapy, which is in line with current NCAA requirements, Thomas has – this year – started to compete as a member of Penn’s women’s program.

Through the early stages of the season, Thomas has produced impressive times that suggest she will challenge the American records of Missy Franklin (200 freestyle) and Katie Ledecky (500 freestyle) at the NCAA Championships. The male-puberty advantage possessed by Thomas has clearly not been mitigated, even after she complied with the NCAA standard, and her presence in a women’s sport is utterly unfair to the biological females against whom she will race.

So, again, we emphasize that the issue at hand is not about transgenderism. It is about providing an opportunity for thousands of female athletes – in the present and the future – to know they will enter competition with an equal chance for success, not already facing a scenario in which they are overmatched, or in which an opponent’s arsenal is far more potent.

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I wrote in an earlier column that Thomas’ presence in the water is akin to past women on the global stage (specifically Olympic Games and World Championships) racing against the doping-fueled athletes of East Germany and China. Whether supplied by a syringe or via male puberty, how potent is a testosterone boost? Consider: The world record of 4:36.29 produced by East German Petra Schneider in the 400-meter individual medley at the 1980 Olympic Games in Moscow (which the U.S. boycotted) would have been good for sixth place at this past summer’s Olympics in Tokyo.

Sixth place. Forty-one years later. And in a suit and pool severely deficient compared with today’s equipment and facilities.

No, Thomas is not doping. She is not doing anything illicit, which was not the case in the days of the East German systematic-doping program, or the operation that promoted China from an also-ran nation in the pool to a superpower at the 1994 World Championships. Rather, Thomas is benefiting from the EFFECTS of years of testosterone production, and two years of hormone-suppressant therapy hardly diminishes the edge gained from male puberty.

In a recent detailed op-ed for the Daily Mail, and reprinted by Swimming World with her permission, Olympic champion and women’s sports advocate Nancy Hogshead-Makar discussed the problems with Thomas racing against biological women. On several occasions, Hogshead-Makar noted the fight of women – for years – to gain equal footing with male sports. Her arguments, in part, shed light on the constant, snap-decision approach of dismissing fairness issues within women’s sports with little thought.

The past and present are filled with instances where women’s sports are viewed as nothing more than steerage class. A high school football stadium needs new artificial turf? Ok, just postpone the resodding of the girls’ soccer field. What do you think of the new scoreboard in the boys’ gym? Don’t know. What do you think of the flip-cards tracking the score of the field hockey match? These are examples that hold truth for most female athletes.

Hell, at the bubbles for last year’s NCAA Basketball Tournaments, the inequality in treatment of men’s and women’s sports was on full display. Remember the fully loaded weight-training facility for the guys? It was top-notch. Remember what the women were given? Nothing more than a rack of dumbbells. It was pathetic, and only underscored the uphill battle faced by women and female athletics.

So, in the case of Thomas, why should the NCAA’s decision to grant her participation in a women’s sport be deemed acceptable? Her advantage boosted by years of testosterone production has not been mitigated. But instead of performing due diligence on the science, the NCAA developed a one-year hormone-suppressant requirement for transgender women that falls well short of what is necessary for fairness. Basically, the governing body took a dismissive approach, similar to: “This should be ok. It’s only women’s sports.”

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No, it’s not ok. It’s not ok for women. It’s not ok for women’s athletics. It’s not ok for my three daughters. It’s not ok for Emma Nordin and Brooke Forde, Arizona State and Stanford University standouts, respectively, who are leading contenders for the 500 freestyle title at March’s NCAA Championships, and who may have to race Thomas for that crown. It’s not ok for Thomas, who is also in a no-win situation.

As part of her role with the Women’s Sports Policy Working Group, Hogshead-Makar makes a key point: “The WSPWG believes that all transgender girls/women athletes should be welcome within girls/women’s sports but with separate scoring, offsets, or separate events for those who have not sufficiently mitigated their male sex-linked performance advantages.”

Lia Thomas deserves a solution, and while that may not be racing against biological women behind the strength of what her body once produced, an answer must be found. A time trial or exhibition swim? The addition of a new classification? For inclusivity’s sake, and to ensure equitable competition, the answer needs to come soon.

It is critical that transgender athletes find a welcoming environment in our sport, but that cannot happen without guaranteeing a level playing field for biological women. Until then, women’s sports must be protected, and there must be an understanding that the Lia Thomas situation is not about transgenderism. It is about fairness and equal opportunity. Plain and simple.





Here are links to additional Swimming World articles related to the Lia Thomas controversy:

Lia Thomas, Transgender Swimmer from Penn, Swims Fastest Times in Nation; Controversy Raging

In Debate Over Lia Thomas, There Is an Urgent Need For Civil Discourse and Humanity

Allowing Lia Thomas to Compete At NCAA Championships Would Establish Unfair Setting

Penn Swimming Parents Write Letter to NCAA Against Lia Thomas’ Participation in Women’s Events

The Potential Impact of Transgender Swimmers Beyond NCAA Competition

Lia Thomas Debate: Women’s Sports Policy Working Group Focused on Protection of Female Sports

Without NCAA Action, the Effects of Lia Thomas Situation Are Akin to Doping

Penn Parents Express Further Concerns Over Lia Thomas Competing On Women’s Team

USA Swimming Official Resigns in Protest Over Lia Thomas Situation

Olympic Champion, Women’s Sports Advocate Nancy Hogshead-Makar Details Issues With Lia Thomas Situation
 
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