Final Fantasy XIV - Kiwi Free Company

Despite me disliking the section I did get a good laugh out of
Urianger being an autist and prancing around in that hideous green outfit.

But I agree, the moon rabbits should have just been a beast tribe, they are precious and I enjoy them quite a lot, just, why use them this way.

Also, I find it weird that Hydaelin doesn't speak to us after we defeat Zodiark? In theory shouldn't she have gotten a power up since she no longer has to suppress him/waste her energy on the brands? I'm assuming this will be covered later? 🌈 Idk I'm sus on this bitch.
 
2. No, her mentality is not "Fuck you I'm going to shatter you guys for wanting to live". The Ascians wanted to live in complacency over a hungry primal who over time wanted to consume more souls from sacrifices to keep himself sated rather than the Ascians charging into the problem head on that they lazily decided to blow off like it was nothing. Venat, in an understandable fit of rage because of the ascians apathy, basically said, "Fine, if you're not going to deal with this, I'll MAKE you deal with this myself." and sundered all of the souls to keep Zodiark bound while at the same time buying time for the sundered to gather the strength needed to fight Meteion. Zodiark was not a long term solution because eventually he would've died off if he didn't get any sacrifices as with Hydaelin who is slowly running out of power if you paid attention in the previous expansions.

3. Paradise did cause this; the direct consequences of the ascians wanting to linger in bliss at the expense of innocent people being sacrificed lead to a festering problem that would've eventually given out because, like I said, Zodiark wasn't a forever solution to the problem. "Well then they would just make a new god" yeah, but what does the God they have now need and how much more over time? Are they going to have enough to sate him? Also, no, Hermes does not throw a tantrum over a pitbull, he's mad that his bonds with the natural world he created himself and grew attached to was being treated like a superficial facility made only for the purposes of possible luxury or to fulfill a need. The ascians, who are rightfully considered flawed, after they retire from their positions have to give up their own lives because now they don't serve a purpose to society. Hermes rightfully thinks this is bullshit and how the Ascians, who got very comfortable with their apathetic lives and philosophy regarding Hermes' work, are sociopaths who care nothing about him or his friend who is about to be sacrificed for the sake of the convocation. Meteion was his last chance seeing if maybe there was a reason to maybe leave his position on Etheirys or maybe convince the convocation there is a better way, but he finds nothing and is rightfully pissed off (making meteion a proxy to his anger causing her to become corrupt) because life outside either made the same mistakes the Ascians did or they just killed themselves because they had nothing left to live for.

Disc: in the space of like an hour of casual investigation wol venat meet and the other guy got a pretty good grasp of the situation, going back over it is far from unreasonable. As far as hermes goes, here's what I thought up while the cutscene was going on:
"Hey emet and other guy, I need to talk to you privately, super important"
*proceeded to explain everything*
"Okay, now we just keep shithead birdfucker in the dark, find an excuse to rescind invitation, he didn't really want it anyway, work with council to put concerted effort into extensively researching feels-aether, and go from there"


No, that's even more fucking retarded than what the writers came up with. It's made very clear that the theory behind the final days is because of stagnation of aether causing it to rot and causing energy to form entities of despair like primals do. We had no idea the Final days were perpetuated by Meteion and neither did Hermes either meaning no matter how much information we gained about Dynamis, it wouldn't have changed shit because Meteion would've still been corrupted by Hermes' anger and would've been commanded to just end the earth because of the motives I mentioned above. Only difference is the warrior of light would have no knowledge of this and basically by that point Etheirys would've been completely fucked and it'd be impossible to forestall the Final Days.


No, her mentality is not "Fuck you I'm going to shatter you guys for wanting to live".
Venat, in an understandable fit of rage because of the ascians apathy, basically said, "Fine, if you're not going to deal with this, I'll MAKE you deal with this myself." and sundered all of the souls
Her mentality per the cutscene is "I'm shattering your souls because you aren't kowtowing to my philosophy". Shattering souls/planets is a pretty extreme act, thus requiring extreme justification. Doing so because she considers them too perfect or whatever is an insane justification for SHATTERING THE SOULS OF AN ENTIRE CIVILIZATION AND A PLANET. How does the ancients being apathetic to venats philosophy even remotely justify what she did? By what right does she have to make such demands? "oh you made me mad, hehe soul go brrrr"
Furthermore, they were dealing with it. Hell, the zodiark method would almost certainly have resulted in less casualties than venats psycho sundering plan if you consider all the fallout since.

hungry primal who over time wanted to consume more souls from sacrifices to keep himself sated
Where are you getting this schtick about zodiark going on a soul rampage? As evidenced by hydalin herself, sufficiently advanced primals are capable of not being aether crazed monstrosities. All evidence ingame(as of the post 4th dungeon cutscenes) show zodiark to be a benevolent entity that people willingly gave themselves to for the greater good.
Zodiark was not a long term solution because eventually he would've died off if he didn't get any sacrifices as with Hydaelin who is slowly running out of power if you paid attention in the previous expansions.
How was he not a long term solution? A fraction of his power was enough to keep the threat away for literally thousands of years, and in the end he didn't run out of juice, he was destroyed. Given that kind of time, a super advanced civilization could very conceivably have found a solution to the problem, but no, lets reset everything to the stoneage and cripple mankinds ability to make speedy scientific progress, that'll fix things.

3. Paradise did cause this; the direct consequences of the ascians wanting to linger in bliss at the expense of innocent people being sacrificed lead to a festering problem that would've eventually given out because, like I said, Zodiark wasn't a forever solution to the problem. "Well then they would just make a new god" yeah, but what does the God they have now need and how much more over time? Are they going to have enough to sate him?
No, it did not. Almost the entirety of the ancient civilization displayed in game were active and productive, they weren't eulmore. As far as I'm aware, hermes was the only dysfunctional one we are shown, something referenced by himself during his own segment. One person going crazy =/= the whole society being deficient due to quality of life. If they hadn't been broken and reset into the stoneage by hydelyn, again, it is absolutely conceivable that such an industrious people could eventually discover a solution.

Also, no, Hermes does not throw a tantrum over a pitbull, he's mad that his bonds with the natural world he created himself and grew attached to was being treated like a superficial facility made only for the purposes of possible luxury or to fulfill a need.
Trying to destroy the world because people breed animals for a purpose is absolutely an insane tantrum. How would you feel if someone here on earth decided to instigate a nuclear apocalypse because of the dairy/beef industry? That'd be pretty shitty, right?

The ascians, who are rightfully considered flawed, after they retire from their positions have to give up their own lives because now they don't serve a purpose to society.
Dude, where are you getting any of this? Did you pay attention? It is a custom that many choose to take part in due to the extreme length of their natural lives, as stated in game. They do it because they feel they've done all they need to after years of existance. At no point does the game say they are killed unwillingly.

Hermes rightfully thinks this is bullshit and how the Ascians, who got very comfortable with their apathetic lives and philosophy regarding Hermes' work, are sociopaths who care nothing about him or his friend who is about to be sacrificed for the sake of the convocation.
He's bummed about his friend choosing to die, at what point does he imply the slightest believe that the other ascians don't care about his mentor or that he will be sacrificed? Really, if you have any screenshots or video it would be nice to see.

No, that's even more fucking retarded than what the writers came up with. It's made very clear that the theory behind the final days is because of stagnation of aether causing it to rot and causing energy to form entities of despair like primals do. We had no idea the Final days were perpetuated by Meteion and neither did Hermes either meaning no matter how much information we gained about Dynamis, it wouldn't have changed shit because Meteion would've still been corrupted by Hermes' anger and would've been commanded to just end the earth because of the motives I mentioned above. Only difference is the warrior of light would have no knowledge of this and basically by that point Etheirys would've been completely fucked and it'd be impossible to forestall the Final Days.
I... I've read this like four times and it reads like gibberish. In the 5 min plan for venat I made up on the spot, she... has her memories? So they would know about meteios/dynamis? I mean she literally does in game, she has her memories, remember how she broke out? Were you paying attention? Knowing what she knew opens so many doors on dealing with the situation, I mean wow. I really have no idea what you're talking about with WoL not knowing, it's hard to make out what you're trying to say here.
 
Cut them some slack, at least they don't steal your thunder and claim themselves the savior of the universe for no reason.
Lyse blathers about for the entire expansion and never quite interrupts anything stellar to give her boring, moralizing grandstanding, so you get used to it

by contrast, any time you are genuinely appreciating the setup and payoff in endwalker and thinking to yourself "wow, okay, this is great, this is really getting going and i'm totally into it now, i'm on board" here comes the rabbit fuckers. Their segments are genuinely unplayable and I find myself tempted to skip every single cutscene, because nothing important is discussed and every character turns towards the camera to have a long, rambling soliloquoy that you could rip straight out of arr

I had theorized before that in Shadowbringers a B-team handled the story between Dohn Mheg and the Tempest, and the rabbits make me feel that way more than anything. The voice of the characters is different, the pacing is ungodly slow FIND EIGHT RANDOM PEOPLE EVEN THOUGH THE WORLD IS ENDING SO THEY CAN SEE HOW COOL RABBITS ARE ALSO THERE'S 5 OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT RELEVANT FOR THE QUEST, and it is so beyond my fathoming why, this late into a story, you would decide that a pointless and annoying "comedic" relief is necessary to conjure out of thin air. The way they genuinely undercut the story finding its bearings and starting to really let rip... makes it feel like someone else writ everything about them and insisted that they be in. You already had everything that you needed to bring this story to a conclusion, but instead of having more payoffs and callbacks, let's fuck everything up instead

WE REALLY NEED SOMEONE GOOD WITH TECHNOLOGY RIGHT NOW, SOMEONE LIKE... SAY, CID AND NERO, FUN CHARACTERS WHO WERE INVOLVED ALL THE WAY UP TO THE EW PRE-PATCH EVENTS. ACTUALLY FUCK THAT, LET'S GET THESE RETARDS INSTEAD
 
Can I ask was it mentioned why Cid and Nero weren't involved with the whole Garlean thing? Did my eyes glaze over and I missed something?
I'd assume (not stated, but can be implied) the same reason Gaius gave, they are well known traitors to their nation and would compromise the mission and Cid has other shit he has to do due to running a company. Maxima to my knowledge is a more or less not really known which is why he gets to go, unlike Cid Garlond or Gaius Baelsar who are just frankly more infamous to their nation.

Now why we NEVER called Cid/Nero much later on in the story until the last second? I have no clue about that one.
 
I'd assume (not stated, but can be implied) the same reason Gaius gave, they are well known traitors to their nation and would compromise the mission and Cid has other shit he has to do due to running a company. Maxima to my knowledge is a more or less not really known which is why he gets to go, unlike Cid Garlond or Gaius Baelsar who are just frankly more infamous to their nation.

Now why we NEVER called Cid/Nero much later on in the story until the last second? I have no clue about that one.
Okay, fair, I did kind of assume that was the reasoning.

Though to be fair it kind of falls apart for me since they let Lucia go and she is quite well known, though perhaps not on the level of Cid and Nero.
 
Okay, fair, I did kind of assume that was the reasoning.

Though to be fair it kind of falls apart for me since they let Lucia go and she is quite well known, though perhaps not on the level of Cid and Nero.
Gaius' entire legion are very shameful by Garlean standards, due to the utter failure of the Eorzea campaign (which he acted against their wishes iirc by 2.0 due to the whole succession war going on) especially considering Gaius "murdered" the Varis. Anyone under his command is basically at risk of who knows what kind of ire. Cid is the extremely well known traitor due to being one of the first in the Garlean defector konga line we have now and gave Eorzea a very real chance to fight back due to introducing airship technology. Gaius also runs Werlyt if you did Sorrows of Werlyt which is used as a refugee haven for Garlean soldiers, so Gaius needs to be there to manage those affairs.

I don't actually remember what Lucia's relevance was to her nation (I remember she was a spy, but that's it), but more importantly for her Lucia has probably the most military experience of the Garlean defectors that aren't Gaius (who is public enemy number 1) which makes her perfect for leading the Ilsabard contingent. I assume that ultimately the true reason is they wanted to give Lucia some limelight after she's done basically nothing since Heavensward ended, and this is the perfect place to re-introduce her.
 
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Maxima to my knowledge is a more or less not really known which is why he gets to go, unlike Cid Garlond or Gaius Baelsar who are just frankly more infamous to their nation.

Well it's kinda hard to declare someone as a traitor that he turned because you tried to assassinate him and his crew in a remote desert even after his parents mysteriously died.
 
Well it's kinda hard to declare someone as a traitor that he turned because you tried to assassinate him and his crew in a remote desert even after his parents mysteriously died.
You say that like the average Garlean give a shit about any of that. Maxima as far as they're concerned turned on them for S A V A G E S, therefore he's dead to them. Plus I doubt that information reached the public or average rank and file soldier. Savages and savage sympathizers must be purged for the glory of Garlemald, the radio told me to do it.
 
The best part about both Loporitt segments is that Urianger gets more screen time. That segment with Moenbryda's parents was touching.
Agreed. I tolerated the moon rabbits solely for the fact that they gave the best autist Urianger some much needed screen time that isn't him autistically hiding yet another secret. (Which he even lampshades in his confessions to you).
 
Agreed. I tolerated the moon rabbits solely for the fact that they gave the best autist Urianger some much needed screen time that isn't him autistically hiding yet another secret. (Which he even lampshades in his confessions to you).
Urianger is probably one of my favorite scions now, I can't believe they turned around such a nothing exposition bot in about 2 years and it didn't feel super forced. I felt this with most Scions beyond the twins since ShB but Urianger's development is the most stark, except Y'shtola who I think is sort of eh still.
 
Was the ending of this EP at least a great send off of 8 years of story? As someone who was there since 1.0 all I care about is that it ended well. My internet has been total ass lately and I just got the game to update fully a few days ago so I had to sit out of EA.
 
Venabygd also likely didn't just sunder the world to stop Zodiark, but she likely had figured out that the unsundered are blind to Dynamis, and incapable how affecting Meteion. Only a sundered champion would have the ability to influence Meteion
 
Venabygd also likely didn't just sunder the world to stop Zodiark, but she likely had figured out that the unsundered are blind to Dynamis, and incapable how affecting Meteion. Only a sundered champion would have the ability to influence Meteion
So, I'm speaking from the point of view of just after the cutscenes following dungeon 4, if something happens later that completely recontextualizes stuff, feel free to disregard.
That makes no sense either. The very fact that meteion exists shows that the ancients are capable of creating beings that that aren't blind to dynamis. Why not just creating some attack dogs to hunt her down? She and her sisters were never made to be weapons, imagine if the ancients made a version of her that was just better? And hopefully protected against corruption, it goes without saying. Or if that fails, the why not carefully sunder a small number of willing volunteers who could then be specifically conditioned to be resilient against the Doom Sisters? Or, make a spaceship, have zodiark protect it, and blast their nest to kingdom come? There are so many options that aren't forcefully sundering an entire civilization against their will while simultaneously chopping up the planet. It's not like they even really made use of their 'new immunity' for the vast majority of their existence, when zodiark croaked corruption happened anyways. Literally nothing was done to train people for fighting the Edge Eagles until the last minute(unless sharlaya has more secrets, again haven't gotten hat far). Why jump through so many hoops and wrap your brain in pretzels trying to justify what is quite possibly the single most wicked act in the series bar none? Venat is a repulsive sociopath who was content to commit atrocities for no good reason, she's just a bad person, possibly the worst person.
 
So, I'm speaking from the point of view of just after the cutscenes following dungeon 4, if something happens later that completely recontextualizes stuff, feel free to disregard.
That makes no sense either. The very fact that meteion exists shows that the ancients are capable of creating beings that that aren't blind to dynamis. Why not just creating some attack dogs to hunt her down? She and her sisters were never made to be weapons, imagine if the ancients made a version of her that was just better? And hopefully protected against corruption, it goes without saying. Or if that fails, the why not carefully sunder a small number of willing volunteers who could then be specifically conditioned to be resilient against the Doom Sisters? Or, make a spaceship, have zodiark protect it, and blast their nest to kingdom come? There are so many options that aren't forcefully sundering an entire civilization against their will while simultaneously chopping up the planet. It's not like they even really made use of their 'new immunity' for the vast majority of their existence, when zodiark croaked corruption happened anyways. Literally nothing was done to train people for fighting the Edge Eagles until the last minute(unless sharlaya has more secrets, again haven't gotten hat far). Why jump through so many hoops and wrap your brain in pretzels trying to justify what is quite possibly the single most wicked act in the series bar none? Venat is a repulsive sociopath who was content to commit atrocities for no good reason, she's just a bad person, possibly the worst person.
I think the idea is that the champion has to be a man and not a creation of man
 
I think the idea is that the champion has to be a man and not a creation of man
Why? That seems strangely specific. It's hard to see why they couldn't use one of the methods posted above, or, have venat give the tracker to zodiark and sick him on them. I mean, zodairk controls enormous amounts of aether, which naturally suppresses dynamis. Under the circumstances they can't just be blasted away, but can still be beaten by what I guess will be 8 people? Again, haven't gotten that far, but them being literally omnipotent against everything but a very specific person seems odd.
 
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