The Tomboy Question(s)

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Double post, but this is how a real tomboy, Jarmila Kratochvilova, looks like:

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Hair from the chest all the way to the balls.
The first words that came out of my mouth were "that is a nigga".

By the way, that is a nigga.

Tomboy is such a diluted term it might as well just mean "girl I like". It seems more like someone will use any excuse to call a girl they like a tomboy.
Granted, I don't circle around 4chan, but I've never seen this in action. I've found it more likely that the concept ends up boiled down to some vague sense or a couple of attributes, but never that it's watered down to literal nothing on par with "semen demon".
 
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Granted, I don't circle around 4chan, but I've never seen this in action. I've found it more likely that the concept ends up boiled down to some vague sense or a couple of attributes, but never that it's watered down to literal nothing on par with "semen demon".
4chan's video game board probably shouldn't be my only view on culture. Though for fun, this image from there sums up how broad the discussion has gotten.

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Though after thinking about it, if you're a female character in a video game you're likely going to end up doing something tomboyish just to be useful. So the term is going to feel diluted on a video game board.
 
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I dunno about why others like Tomboys, so I'll just share my own thoughts of why I like 'em.

I always thought tomboy was more Lara Croft from Tomb Raider, Riza Hawkeye from FMA: Brotherhood or Claire Redfield from RE: Code Veronica than whatever people say it is nowadays. It's not "Girl is being a guy" or the inverse of Trap, it's basically just a girl who recognizes that male clothes are pretty much objectively better across the whole damn board in just about every conceivable way compared to female equivalents.

I like tomboys mainly because if you take any typically-male outfit and put it on a chick, she's gonna get instantly cuter, maybe it's because of the whole trope of "girl you just slept with accidentally went home more or less just wearing your clothes" is something I vibe with, but it's also just plain adorable.

Imo Tomboys also tend to not so much be dominant, they just have a more can-do attitude, for lack of a better term. I just like gals with some fire in their heart, they typically have that in some form or another.
I'm unsure how I'd actually define my reasons for it to make a concise definition. It's not so much a fetish like it is for others, the attitude part itself is just part of what I look for in a woman, the rest is just an aesthetic bonus.
 
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Another fantasization of a type of woman that hardly exists
The tomboys in the memes are always big tiddy, fat ass, flat stomached short haired babes. Tom girls IRL are usually mildly overweight girls with mental issues that haven't admitted they're fuckin dykes yet.

Its an internet thing
 
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KMBn3IlchPA
Dear Leader has weighed in on the tomboy question in the past. It starts around 17:00 and continues for like ten minutes.
>if you wanna have sex with a girl that acts like a guy and you're a guy then you're gay
>if you wanna have sex with a girl that acts like a guy and you're a girl then you're still gay


So there's no escape from being gay, here?

That aside, though (I did find that logic funny, and I won't begrudge it), I find both his description of tomboy and especially his explanation for why a man would be attracted to that lacking in rationale. A man attracted to a woman he finds "tomboyish" most likely wouldn't be gay because he's more than likely attracted to the personality traits and interests as manifest in a woman, who they're sexually interested in-- there's not much in function to suggest that such a man is latently homosexual in this.

I also don't get why he alternatively thinks that such a man would have social issues re: women, because he doesn't describe anything inherent to a non-tomboyish woman that a theoretical tomboyish woman (I assume he's has "woman with mannish mannerisms and interests" in mind) doesn't have that a man should be attracted to or otherwise be able to bear. I can see it if-- as he pointed out-- someone attracted to the tomboy archetype denigrated all non-tomboyish women, or was generally misogynistic, but I can't get behind that idea otherwise.

It is in the context of a playthrough stream, so I think some of it was taking the piss as the chat became more agitated about him not being down with boyish girls.

There is no solution to the tomboy question
The "solution" is globohomo.

Tom girls IRL are usually mildly overweight girls with mental issues that haven't admitted they're fuckin dykes yet.
Tomgirls IRL are fat boys.
 
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I only respect Strength and I only love Submission so a Tomboy who I will dominate and force her to wear a dress ( she keeps short hair, abs but I force her to be comfortable with her feminine nature and this a whole person reunification of anime and Animus ) I will only love and respect.

She will also casually were my clothes like relaxing the flags and banners on. Conquered fortress. Tomboy is the hardest fortress with the best defense.

What is best in life ?
 
My 2 cents are that in current year +8 , most men online feel like outcasts and like they aren't normal , and so latch on to things that make them feel comfortable in being different from the perceived norm , a tomboy , by definition , is going against the norm (a female having traits and hobbies traditionally male) and latch on to it , of course this also intersects with the popularity of anime and hentai online , forming into the current idea of a tomboy and the modern fetish for them. Some also project their own interests onto this ideal partner , and pretty much make a female version of their ideal self which is another reason why i think they are so popular.
 
Here's my two cents: Tomboys make the ultimate female friends and at the end of the day, that's a great trait to have in a wife/girlfriend. Men typically put a lot of emotion into the shit they do. Just look at any war flick or any classic EVO match and you can see that on display. It creates bonds that last for a man's life and tell you a lot about him. It also let's you know who a man's closest friends are, which are his brothers in arms. Women typically don't think that way (not throwing shade but that's true), but why I value girls that are tomboys (girls with some interests considered masculine and not the anime type of tomboy (who are cute but that's another story) or the type of tomboy that is purely fashion based) is that they are women that can understand the hearts of the men in that community and even if they don't associate emotion in the same way, they have a level of understanding of this community most people just don't in the case of something like a nerdy hobby or something like that. It makes them unique among women in my eyes and like a diamond in the rough, even if they aren't all that rare. Being a bit of a weeb and fighting game/computer nerd for most of my life, it really explains why the only women I tend to talk to about personal shit outside of my mother and sisters are girls like that: even if they don't get you 100%, they still understand you. And ultimately that's what every person wants in a friend. For the fetish, anime and video games, specifically Street Fighter with Makoto and Sakura, RE with Rebecca Chambers and Jill Valentine and Persona 4 with Chie. As for me, I always liked the musical types like Edie Brickell and Kaori Kawamura. They seem like they're pretty chill and have great personalities, they're cute and they make great music.
 
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In real life, a tomboy is a young girl who likes young boy things. That’s all there is to it. The label is really quite shallow and has no philosophical implications. A woman identifying as a “tomboy” past high school age is kind of ridiculous, like a grown man identifying as class clown or spelling bee champ.

The “tomboy” discussed on the internet is just some meme fetish archetype with little relation to reality. Your femboy tomboy moth girl dommy mommy gf will never exist, so quit dwelling on it.
 
In real life, a tomboy is a young girl who likes young boy things. That’s all there is to it. The label is really quite shallow and has no philosophical implications. A woman identifying as a “tomboy” past high school age is kind of ridiculous, like a grown man identifying as class clown or spelling bee champ.

The “tomboy” discussed on the internet is just some meme fetish archetype with little relation to reality. Your femboy tomboy moth girl dommy mommy gf will never exist, so quit dwelling on it.
I tend to be slightly put off by non-past self-identification as a tomboy, mainly because I'm not used to it employed that way. Even more, even if the tendency associated with the term is pointed out, I still hardly hear the term-- much less as self-identification.

However, I was (and still am) all but convinced that it would be helpful to deduce a definition of a tomboy that was as modular as possible, in part because-- as it came up in this thread-- "what young boys like" has layers of variance depending on culture, and having some interests that may be seen as principally in a boy's domain (e.g. sports) wouldn't readily lead to one thinking of someone else, "what a boy-girl". There's certainly a "spirit" associated with the archetype that transcends the interests themselves; even if you wanted to say it was a mere matter of interests, what one takes to isn't something that occurs in a vacuum.

In fact, because of this thread and some related conversations, I currently figure that what people recognize as "tomboyish" is the quasi-masculine spirit resultant from a girl willingly pursuing interests with no regard to-- and sometimes in opposition-- to their naturally associated sex-based norms and obligations (whereas women tend to conform to such things), and the reality of there only being two sexes means that these interests are almost certainly male.

Speaking of spirit, I mostly agree with the spirit of your latter statement. Rather than an appreciation for a certain kind of woman, what ends up (often) discussed on the internet is a collection of symbols and patterns to which many of these people have conditioned themselves to be aroused upon their identification. There's also an element of escapism: they consider tomboys much more relatable than other kinds of women because they figure their boyish airs mean that they're bound to be much more relatable. And there's some truth to it, but outside of the occasionally associated fantasy of making them glad to have been born a woman, they neglect the reality that-- in the ideal case-- they can only expect less of what they fear/resent in a typical woman because tomboys are still fundamentally women.
 
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so apparently there's now this whole ass mainstreamish anime about the tomboy dynamic lmao

I'll add to this point using clips from one of the few "chick-flicks" I genuinely enjoy, Miss Congeniality:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=aEBLrCGhTVMhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=8-VpoP-ICo4https://youtube.com/watch?v=uluj31ZWdfA
There's a comfortable innocence to the idea of dating a tomboy. There's playful ribbing and schoolyard tier bants and you can say things to her that you would never say to any other girl in your class. It's a simple idea of a simple romance where one day you realize that it isn't gay to love your best friend because you just realized your best friend is a girl.

In short: it's cute and endearing and people like cute things OP :)

sorta similar to this but it's fucking anime
 
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Obligatory tomboy pasta in the box below, click right to get mad instead. :smug: If you feel an immediate urge to call gay those men who like women with short hair / comfy or fit styles / whatever doesn't fit the long hair, shoveled on makeup, summer dress UwU girl aesthetic, it's you who is insecure, possibly because you've been a homo all along. (Did you really expect more than "no u"?)

Tomboys are the ultimate straight man's choice. A regular girl has tits and pussy but comes loaded with gay shit such as makeup, desire for shopping clothes and useless shit and watching boring shitty tv shows.

A gay dude is gay but he has a partner that shares his interests.

A tomboy is the best of both worlds, a female body but with enough /fit/ness to keep up with you, good interests and great personality

A trap is 200% gay. Not only are you fucking a dude, you are also putting up with the faggotry of a female

I do agree that nobody actually has an accepted definition of the tomboy. It doesn't really matter to me in any case, I just really like short hair, not that much a fan of /fit/ girls.

 
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