Anti-Tranny Pushback in the Wild - The normies grow tired of sucking the girlcock

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Dolly Brooks dijo:
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Surprised this was allowed to stay up. Lots of pro-troon comments but I’m not interested in those today:
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“Hey, when you get a minute, can you catheterize this princess wand.”
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Not a surprise to anyone here that they affirm just about everyone.
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People figuring out why the regret rates are so low.
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This is my favorite anecdote, I can 100% believe this.
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Bleak shit
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Belly? Implants!???!
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Neat replies, although I had to tap out after reading the endless touchy-feely tone of writing they use.
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It's to be inclusive for trans men who have babies.
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"I struggle with it because clearly their dysphoria is not severe enough to interfere with them having a uterus and using their uterus for child-bearing, the idea that they have breasts that are used for feeding should not be an issue."

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There is a growing segment of trans folk who advocate that dysphoria shouldn’t not be required to be trans, including genital dysphoria. While I understand part of their argument, overall this undermines the idea that treatment (i.e., gac) is medically necessary.
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reply that got downvoted (the horror)
One can desire that euphoria be the guide to identifying as trans while still acknowledging that body dysphoria can be crushing and medical intervention a necessity.
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"You can say you are a woman even though you aren't going crazy you are born with a dick but also I need a cock-chop ASAP because else I'm going to rope"

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Adults can do things to their body they regret later even and that’s okay - it’s not our place to police their decisions.
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It is when we bear liability for their change of mind.
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What liability? Find me a single example even one of a doctor being sued for assisting someone to transition.

As a trans person let me tell you: the illusion of ease of access to gender affirming care described in this thread is an illusion. DIYing your transition is still incredibly common because access to care is so difficult in this country and has only gotten worse with this administration.

This thread is 90% medical paternalism. Let people make decisions about their own bodies.
[–]flavenoid MD to the stars 74 points 20 hours ago*

Find me a single example even one of a doctor being sued for assisting someone to transition.
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Chloe Cole v. Kaiser Permanente
Cristina Hineman v. Planned Parenthood
Charlie Mosley, aka Prisha Mosley, v. Eric T. Emerson, M.D. et. al.
Kayla Lovdahl v. Kaiser Foundation Hospitals
Soren Aldaco v. Barbara Rose Wood and Three Oaks Counseling Group
FWIW I agree with you in principle.
*edited to add another example
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A tranny, feeling the thread starts to go sideways as those darn MDs feel comfortable to speak their mind, goes on the offensive. The classic "uhm, source" usually makes people not bother, as it takes much longer to provide the source than to ask for it, but this time he was shit out of luck. I love his heroic last stand "those are minors" as if he isn't pro trooning out the kids like the rest of his ilk

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Honestly I don’t think this is much different than when we were growing up and questioning if we were gay or not. As long as extensive psychological testing is done before transition we’re good. I have a family member who transitioned. They had to do a year of therapy and psychiatric evaluation before they got even one testosterone prescription. But body dysmorphia and other psychological disorders were thoroughly ruled out.
Rogue-Starz Therapist (non US) -5 points 22 hours ago*

I don't see them in the same way if I'm honest. I think a lot of it is about the speed of social change and the much heavier impact on intersectional rights. Specifically the rights of women to have private spaces and the right to speak for their own experiences in the world and what makes them women. Editing for brevity and to avoid straying into the political debate.
NotYourSexyNurse Nurse 0 points 22 hours ago

And there it is. The bathroom debate. We can stop talking now.
OnlyInAmerica01 MD 20 points 21 hours ago

Isn't that when you should start talking? When did talking about differences (and more honestly, about relative differences, since very very very few people completely disagree on first principles. The disagreement is almost always on their application, and the variable weight we give to different priorities) become verboten? I thought that was the whole point of social discussion forums.
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Another troon thought he had a gotcha moment to shut down the debate. Unfortunately the others think they should talk about it, rather than fall quiet lest they seem transphobic.

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Apologies in that case. Well, I live in a very progressive town, in a very progressive state. In part, due to all the political stuff going on nationally at a meta-level, there was definitely a vibe of "don't ask the wrong questions, about the wrong topic, err you identify "your tribe", or at the very least, get labeled a someting-phobe".

Yet, I can't imagine I was the only young(ish) parent blindsided by the combined effects on their children of COVID isolation, the rapid emergence of social media as a identity-and-trend-defining force, and how it would intersect with the typical social expectations and norms of adolescence. Like, nobody had a rulebook for how to be a good parent in that environment.

Also around this time, a close friend of ours saw their child, who outwardly appeared to be very popular, secure, confident, and a veritable over-achiever, transition from male to female - at first, outwardly, and within a few years, with top and bottom surgery. They (the parents) seemed to handle this very well, and were very supportive (again, I have no insight into the "behind closed doors' conversations that may have taken place). All the while, I felt completely unprepared to potentially have a similar discussion with my own children, should that be their journey. And I felt like I couldn't really talk with anyone else in my community, or risk not already being part of "the tribe" of ultra-progressive professionals (which is mostly whom I'm surrounded by).

This was also the time when progressive institutions (including my own) were rolling out, and sometimes heavy-handedly enforcing, the new models of workplace social engagement, and what might qualify as harassing behavior - to the degree that anyone who might overhear a conversation you were having with another colleague about a subject that was potentially controversial, could report you for engaging in harassing behavior, with on-record reprimand or outright termination, as the consequences.

Much of this seems mundane a half-decade later, but in the moment, as a squarely-in-the-middle Gen-X'er, I was definitely outside my zone of familiarity.
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Imagine living through 1984 levels of looking-over-your shoulders because anyone can snitch you and destroy your career, being unable to talk with others about issues you might have, even if you are on the party line, because even discussing the party-line is considered bad. But you still end with "this seems mundane a half-decade later"
 
Dolly Brooks dijo:
Surprised this was allowed to stay up. Lots of pro-troon comments but I’m not interested in those today:
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"Universal affirmation"

The clinic where I work has basically stopped sending psych referrals to this one doctor because every single patient comes back with a diagnosis of ADHD and/or autism. Our doctor rightfully finds this suspicious. But I guess if every single person is diagnosed with tranny it's not suspicious?

Much like how pit bulls are the only dog breed for which genetics do not apply, gender clinics are the only ones that can't be quacky pill mills.
 
fineapple dijo:
I've also been reccd the nature troon, his last video was talking about how his ex-wife and daughter aren't taking the troonsition very well. When he said daughter I assumed he meant an adult but she's a fuckin 5 year old. Obviously her instincts are telling her this is weird and not right, but the troon is saying she's just "afraid of her daddy becoming someone else." Troons always say it's because people are scared/ignorant and not that they're disgusted that you're a cross dressing pervert. He keeps bringing up that his HRT is giving him "chest growth" and that's "exciting" to him. The echo chamber that found its way into his comments is not going to help him, he even talked about bottom surgery. I hope he snaps out of it before he gets his taint inverted.
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Guy has now somehow developed a LITHHHP. as well as a stupid attempt at a higher voice.
Anyway, he looks like. Ummm. The dole office character from the league of gentlemen now lol

*Pauline!
 
Lammy dijo:
And if we're reaaaaaally lucky, they'll bring up the point that one of the founders of WPATH was an open NAMBLA supporter!
Probably zero chance of that, but I can hope!
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It was founded almost fifty years ago, unless the founder was involved with documents that are still in effect/recently retracted that seems too attenuated.

The connections to the Eunuch Archive seem like a better approach, those revelations were recent and some of the names in there were active WPATH members at the time. This is doubly true if those people were also involved with the draft SoC.

ETA: mentioning the pedo founder is allowed, it's just irrelevant. The recent scandals on the other hand . . .
 
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UncleTusky dijo:
It was founded almost fifty years ago, unless the founder was involved with documents that are still in effect/recently retracted that seems too attenuated.

The connections to the Eunuch Archive seem like a better approach, those revelations were recent and some of the names in there were active WPATH members at the time. This is doubly true if those people were also involved with the draft SoC.
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"WPATH is an organization that has claimed a history of helping those who want to experience and be who they are at a young age do so. They neglect to mention that the very founding members of their organization were pedophiles and pedophile supporters themselves, whose interest in the young peoples' experience was that they have it with preferably with an adult of the LGBT variety."

Entirely relevant. You're welcome, FTC.
 
A while back I visited a college that had an area where people were free to graffiti as much as they want. On the floor there was a bunch of "profound" poems and stories about how hard it is to be a troon in America, probably some sort of project by the local trans club or whatever. The funny part was how much of it was scratched off, or painted over deliberately. One even had "NO" sprayed over it. :story:
 
King Of Braves dijo:
If this goes the way it should, do we get to see a cultural shift back to mocking troons again?
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That's already here. In the last year or two I've seen people getting way more comfortable with calling a spade a spade and not getting suspended or arrested for it.

The church of trans is crumbling, and they only have themselves to blame.
 
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