Opinion Science Fiction is a Left Leaning genre

This is a thread about the political stance of a large body of works of fiction, so I feel that Whitehall is the place for this thread rather than Spacebattles Main.

One thing that I can say with reasonable certainty is that over the two centuries or so of it's existence Science Fiction has far more often come from a left leaning source or has adopted a position that was left leaning (at least by the standards of the time). Let's look at a sampling of Science Fiction Works and Authors that most people would consider significant and were financially successful.

  • Frankenstein: written by proto-Feminist Mary Shelly.
  • Jules Verne: wrote works critical of Imperialism (Captain Nemo, an Indian who'd lost his family to British Imperialism and who hates the strong who oppress the weak).
  • HG Wells: Socialist with a lot of Socialist Ideals manifesting themselves in his work (The Time Machine is the big obvious one, but also the Invisible Man and The Sleeper Awakes) and was critical of British Imperialism (The War of the Worlds).
  • Issac Asimov: Prolific SF writer, atheist, feminist, die hard new dealer, supporter of LGBT rights when it was unpopular.
  • Superman*: Lead Character is an Immigrant, was used against the KKK.
  • Captain America*: A comic created in 1940 designed to embody everything American who's villain were Nazis. Unpopular run as a Anti-Communist figure got retconned into being an imposter. Often pitted against US Nationalists.
  • Twilight Zone: a lot of episodes were highly critical of society, usually from a left wing perspective.
  • Star Trek: has as an idealized future a techno-socialist society which a vast number of peoples have set aside their differences and strive together in which in which diplomacy and science are positive traits.
  • XMEN: Allegory against Racism and Prejudice in General.
  • Ursula K. Le Guin: Acclaimed SF writer from a Feminist and Environmentalist Perspective.
  • Star Wars: A dictatorship arises due to militarization and strong man politics and it and it's runaway military/industrial complex needs to be resisted by a rag tag group of teenagers. The basics of this came out just after the Vietnam War.
  • Alien Franchise: Has women in traditionally male roles as well as a corporation willing to send people to their deaths to gain control of the xenomorphs.
  • Mobile Suit Gundam: Highly popular and influential anime which has a distinct anti-war message as a core theme.
  • Terminator: US military builds a superintelligent AI which proceeds to start a nuclear holocaust and plans on exterminating all of mankind on top of feminist themes.
  • The Matrix: Made by a pair of Transgender Women with Transgender Themes woven into it.
  • Avatar: Ferngully in Space.
This is not a comprehensive list, of course.

This is not to say that these works are all the products of Perfect Leftists (especially given the argument you'd get in trying to define what constitutes a "Perfect Leftist") or are 100% Left Leaning even considering that the world they came from. Nor are we saying that Conservative Science Fiction does not exist, but it is a lot less common and a lot less influential. The most Right Leaning form of science fiction out there would probably be military Sci-Fi, but even that is not a hard and fast rule. Leaving aside the occasional reactionary like Kratman most military Sci-Fi for a long time has been onboard with a feminist idea of women serving alongside men in the Space Navy or as Space Troopers which was something many IRL conservatives oppose. A lot of military SF has roots in Robert H. Heinlein's Starship Troopers and Heinlein and while Heinlein at that point did have a lot to say about military service as a positive thing and all that he was also not a conventional conservative by any means. Some of the Post Apocalyptic stuff has a Right Wing bias to it, but post-apocalyptia is a more contested field since the cause of said apocalypse is usually something such as climate change or nuclear war brought about by militarism. Not to say there are not exceptions elsewhere, but those exceptions are less common and more marginal.

As for why this is the case, I can't say for certain. One possible factor is is that science fiction had been a more niche product for much of the twentieth century which was other than the norm, either current or historical. In "The 50-Year Mission: The Complete, Uncensored, Unauthorized Oral History of Star Trek: The First 25 Years" there are some comment about how a writer in the 1960s should quit that weird childish new Trek show and write some Western, though this is more of a historic reason. Maybe it's because people on the left tend to think more about where society is going in a more proactive way where things might be good (UFP, The Culture) or bad (Polluted Cyberpunk Dystopia**) but either way they'll be different from the status quo while conservatives think about an idealized present or romanticized and often mythological view of the past. But I would posit that there is some reason for this either in the subject manner or the culture which is prone to consuming it which leans left.

Would you agree with this or not?

*While there is a whole lot of fantastic elements in both their worlds, Superman is an Alien and Captain America is the product of advanced drugging/genetic modification/something vaguely on that line that would qualify as SF beings. Wonder Woman for that matter has always been a Feminist character, but she's a fantasy being.
**Insert "that's today!" Joke Here.

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Can someone please explain to me how Starship Troopers (novel) was left leaning?
My take away was that it was a novel all about how having a class-based society rules over by a militaristic government was just the bestest.
It was neither.

Starship Troopers put forward the question what is the value of citizenship if it has no cost? And how do we make something so vital to society be valued? We require people who desire the benefits of citizenship to take upon a personal cost - military or other forms of service.

I am, of course, referring to the the actual book and not the goofy but fun movie.
 
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Its easy. SJWs try to ruin stuff. Everything must comform.

40k is being transformed, Lotr is on the chopping block.

Gatekeeping has failed. Now the only slim chance is boycotting.
 
What about Harlan Ellison?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=hYQOslFoecg
I mean they say left leaning, but they're phrasing it as "THEIR VERSION" of left leaning. These people would have been torn to shreds as being hacks decades ago.
Harlan was part of the Selma march, and was about as liberal as one can get, but he was always too much Ticktockman to be a stupid fucking commie.
 
Cherry-picking and pigeon-holing writers to make a point? I'm sure they would be offended by having their complex worldviews neatly categorised into 'left' and 'right' (whatever these terms mean to Americans).

Mobile Suit Gundam: Highly popular and influential anime which has a distinct anti-war message as a core theme.
Cute. Back in the day I trolled 4chan with the 'Gundam being pro-Nazi' meme as most UC entries portray the Zeon side in a sympathetic light.

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I bet that the majority if not all of the examples would face cancel culture for "bad representation" or "lack of diversity".

Also, no one needs to be a fucking communist to wish for people to get the money payed their work's worth (granted the worker isn't a fuck-off "I don't want to work so give me money" retard) or for nature to be less polluted.
 
Bradbury would arguably be considered conservative (tell me the Cancel Culture of today aren't essentially Fahrenheit 451's Firemen).
Bradbury himself outright said the socjus shit is akin to the stuff in the book.

"...it works even better because we have political correctness now. Political correctness is the real enemy these days. The black groups want to control our thinking and you can't say certain things. The homosexual groups don’t want you to criticize them. It's thought control and freedom of speech control."
 
LMAO at the "Alien" and "Terminator" mentions.

They act like those movies were made during a time women didn't work in any male fields. They were still in the kitchen getting slapped by their husbands. Like apparently seeing strong women in fiction must automatically mean its feminist and the creators are lefties. Like wow a woman doing something cool in the 80s? MUST BE FEMINIST INFLUENCE!
Its hilarious to know that in star wars EU the real reason palp made the empire so militaristic (besides control) was to fend off an impending extragalactic invasion that the New Republic fucks up very badly at the start of the war. Had The Emperor been able to consolidate his power without rebel meddling the Vong would have probably gotten their ass beat, or at least have gotten a far bloodier nose than what they got. Of course with Star Wars being fully cucked now if the Vong do actually show up again the New Republic will plot armor its way to absolute victory after just a few "horrible" battles with some strong feminist heroine saving the day again.

However they aren't completely wrong. While the most popular sci-fi have leftist undertones very few are to the point of even being close to modern leftism and even demonize extreme leftist societies. The best sci-fi are those that are right-leaning like LOGH which has a galactic empire
crush their democratic rebels and pass some reforms hopefully keeping the Empire stable after Reinhards death.
 
Can we talk about how one Scifi property is coming true, and it makes fun of lefties...

 
My take away was that it was a novel all about how having a class-based society rules over by a militaristic government was just the bestest.
Either you don't know how to read, or you only watched the film and never read the book.
One could only vote, run for and hold public office after completing Federal Service(not exclusive to the military), as long as you were in active Federal Service you couldn't even vote much less hold office.
 
It became left leaning because it was gatekept heavily and authors who had different viewpoints were purged. It's now, "write what we want or never find a legitimate publisher again."

Even classic genres like Conan or Sword and Sandals fantasy has to be sanitized to meet modern woke standards.
 
Writes about science fiction but brings up cape shit and what are literally the most well know works in the genre. What a fucking normie.

Are they ignoring how quite a few of the societies these authors have created can be interpreted as socialist hell holes? The Robot series has an overpopulated Earth where everyone subsists off of Yeast and they move up through social credit like China.

I doubt this weirdo has actually read any of these properties, not even Captain America and Superman. Just saw the movies.
 
God, I love Harlan Ellison. RIP, King.
Ellison was a bastard.
  • told a fan who sent him fanmail something to the effect of "If you wanted to thank me, you wouldn't have wasted my time by sending me this letter."
  • Groped a woman on stage at a convention
  • Got banned from the campus of Texas A&M for calling their ROTC cadet corps "the next generation of fascists"
  • Mailed a dead gopher to a publisher
  • Was more litigious than Russell Greer about perceived plagiarism
Meanwhile, modern fantasy was founded by people like C.S. Lewis and Tolkien - conservative Christians. Tolkien was also somewhat of a "luddite", having seen the horrors of industrial warfare fighting in WW1.
That's true of its founding, and can probably be safely assumed of later fantasy authors like Robert Jordan (a Southern, decorated Vietnam veteran) or Brandon Sanderson (a practicing Mormon).

But then you have raging liberals like George R. R. Martin, Stephen King, and Philip Pullman; not to mention the ongoing hostile takeover of tabletop gaming by the Wokenwaffen.
 
  • Jules Verne: wrote works critical of Imperialism (Captain Nemo, an Indian who'd lost his family to British Imperialism and who hates the strong who oppress the weak).
Good one lol
Captain Nemo was ultra rich Indian Noble. Before he spent his resources on advanced Submarine and disappeared with it .

Edit: another point about Nemo .
Guy is pretty much antagonist of Story.
He attacks ships who spotted his Submarine.
And he captures protagonist and his merry band and keeps them as prisoners on board of his Submarine.

Most of Verne protagonists are upper class European /USA explorers/scientists, who are usually patriots who have no problém to use their discoveries to help their nation.


Also way he often wrote non Europeans would be really problematic today.

Really idpol lefty stuff /sneed
 
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  • Star Wars: A dictatorship arises due to militarization and strong man politics and it and it's runaway military/industrial complex needs to be resisted by a rag tag group of teenagers. The basics of this came out just after the Vietnam War.
....and the jedi essentially stole kids cause they were force sensitive and forced them to grow up in a religious cult. They also used what amounts to a slave army in the prequel trilogy

and wasn't captain america a literal nazi at some point?
 
....and the jedi essentially stole kids cause they were force sensitive and forced them to grow up in a religious cult. They also used what amounts to a slave army in the prequel trilogy

and wasn't captain america a literal nazi at some point?
These are all leftist traits.
 
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