2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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Sweetpeaa dijo:
I watched Joe's welfare reform speech from 1996 on Youtube ... like a whole different person. I know it was more than 20 years ago, but it's quite shocking. He also seemed to be much more conservative back then (hiding under a liberal face of course). You're not going to get that version of Joe, I don't think he even remembers who he was back then. Most of his policies are going to be soft, nothing like the 1990's and 2010's I don't think.
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That is if you get any policy at all, instead of just random bullshit.
 
EmuWarsVeteran dijo:
In my defense, I learned most of my english from the internet and the creepypasta community. So that's why it's a bit fucked. Hell it's only recently that I started to realize I was using "y'all" like a fucking moron and started trying to stop that. I'll add "ain't" to the list, maybe in a few years I can stop typing like a mong at last!



By "repeatedly" I just meant that we've learned that lesson repeatedly not that you made repeated mistakes, sorry for expressing myself poorly. Yeah here in spain the more egalitarian side tends to start with the most support and best chances, and then they break into infighting while the absolutists get foreign support to carry them. With the war of succession the bourbons got aid from france, then the peninsula war we did win but then after that ferdinand the 7th also from france, twice, then the unitarians got it from britain, then the reactionaries from prussia, then the fascists (round 1) from no one weirdly enough, then franco from the axis, then franco again from NATO, and hey we're here now. I think only time the reactionaries lost was with Carlism, despite getting support from britain.

So yeah we got a very large history of having the most oppenly discriminatory side win, which is good proof that while it's true that lack of equality can be a serious issue, because it can be exploited. Well, it sure isn't the deciding factor.
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I think your English is fine. In my head, I've been reading all your posts in a Southern grandpa voice.
 
EmuWarsVeteran dijo:
In my defense, I learned most of my english from the internet and the creepypasta community. So that's why it's a bit fucked. Hell it's only recently that I started to realize I was using "y'all" like a fucking moron and started trying to stop that. I'll add "ain't" to the list, maybe in a few years I can stop typing like a mong at last!



By "repeatedly" I just meant that we've learned that lesson repeatedly not that you made repeated mistakes, sorry for expressing myself poorly. Yeah here in spain the more egalitarian side tends to start with the most support and best chances, and then they break into infighting while the absolutists get foreign support to carry them. With the war of succession the bourbons got aid from france, then the peninsula war we did win but then after that ferdinand the 7th also from france, twice, then the unitarians got it from britain, then the reactionaries from prussia, then the fascists (round 1) from no one weirdly enough, then franco from the axis, then franco again from NATO, and hey we're here now. I think only time the reactionaries lost was with Carlism, despite getting support from britain.

So yeah we got a very large history of having the most oppenly discriminatory side win, which is good proof that while it's true that lack of equality can be a serious issue, because it can be exploited. Well, it sure isn't the deciding factor.
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Yeah who wins is who gets the most foreign support or so I heard.

💗Bitchstopher Columbitch💗 dijo:
The non-woke alternative should be simply this: judge people by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. It's what sane non-whites want, and they'll side with whichever group is most likely to get them closest to that goal.


It's all in Chinese.
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The central government is collapsing. Most likely by a hostile foreign government seeking revenge (china). So stroking a race war would play in their favor. The higher the body count the body. Whats a few demographics vanishing to them as a result of their shit stirring?

If I remember correctly the race wars got nasty in Yugoslavia when things collapsed. Same for Iraq when Saddam was disposed.

For your libertarian view of co existence requires the powers that be to support it. Unfortunately for them there is way too much profit made making people hostile towards each other.
 
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HumanHive dijo:
tl;dr the North and South were divided politically, culturally, religiously, ethnically (not talkin bout negros), and economically since the start of the country. Northern Abolitionists always worried about the South buying or breeding slaves to pack the House (reps are based on population, and the 3/5ths compromise was to both prevent that while avoiding denying slaves as being people), while the South worried about large Northern cities like NY and Boston which were full of immigrants. All seems a little familiar, huh? Maybe even like the South isn’t a complete bad guy?

Well then the South attacked a US federal fort like a nigger. Oops.

Also the Irish are pale niggers from Sub-Saharan Africa.
:drink: Cheers, CI.
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I was too tired this morning to respond so thanks; Yeah this pretty much hits all the main points. Yes, it was about slavery; People don't really seem to comprehend what it means when people say slavery was the South's whole economy. It means that there was no easy short term replacement; That the people in the North's only response boiled down to "eat the bugs already and get to current year", which only radicalized moderates who were trying to come up with autistic long term solutions such as Virginia slowing buying up all the slaves so they are all now State-Owned Slaves and then slowly going from slavery to share-cropping (moderates in the 19th century South before anyone bites my head off). And of course, every time this happened those moderates got further fucked as Southerners' rage boiled over as many shifted from "maybe we can do something long term" to "NOOOOOOOOOOOO, I will DIEEEEEEEEEE~~~ before I give up my slaves" which killed any chance of the meme long term plans going through.

Fort Sumter was the crystallization for all the slow boil radicalization; In the North, the South had directly attacked a Federal building, which was seen as aggressive nigger-tier behavior, and any Northern moderates were swept aside by calls to mobilize the army; In the South, they felt they had the legitimate right to Secede (if they didn't the South would not have joined the Union originally) so therefor any deals with the Federal government were null and void, meaning that all federal forts would revert back to state control (Yes, this thinking ultimately screwed them), and when the calls for an army to suppress the Southern insurrection came up the remaining Southern moderates pretty much immediately collapsed as they were trying to negotiate with Lincoln and saw this as a stab in the back ("I was a fool! He was just stalling for time, the hardliners were right!").

And this all goes back to a bigger fundamental issue that like @HumanHive said, the South and North were two different societies, which was fine when the Union was a loose confederation and a new federation; But as things naturally centralized over time, well the winners kept being the North until in the long run the North basically paved over Southern society until the entire Union was just like the North -- which is how you get to today, where the Union is a schizophrenic clusterfuck between the heirs of the old North and the new North.
 
DeadFish dijo:
Yeah who wins is who gets the most foreign support or so I heard.


The central government is changing and or collapsing. Most likely by a hostile foreign government seeking revenge (china). So stroking a race war would play in their favor.

If I remember correctly the race wars got nasty in Yugoslavia when things collapsed. Same for Iraq when Saddam was disposed.

For your libertarian view of co existence requires the powers that be to support it. Unfortunately for them there is way too much profit made making people hostile towards each other.
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How would a race war even play out at this point? You have two sets of Whites who hate each other and a bunch of non-Whites of various colors. I guess everyone who doesn't look white would automatically get lumped in with the commies?
 
💗Bitchstopher Columbitch💗 dijo:
How would a race war even play out at this point? You have two sets of Whites who hate each other and a bunch of non-Whites of various colors. I guess everyone who doesn't look white would automatically get lumped in with the commies?
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Exactly. Any one who aint white going be considered a subversive.
Its not your skin color. Its who those who are not white associated with. Democrats and democrats have made it very clear they want whitie to die.

What the democrats want is slaves. The wish to enslave non whites while telling them they are helping them. See how blm helped Biden to get into office. Now that Biden is in office blm hasnt gotten a word back.

Whites have a very nasty habit of roping non whites into their fights to boost numbers. Take native Americans with fights between European powers. English vs French. What was the native americans reward for helping?
Having their land taken from them, their culture destroyed then creating an agency to perpetually "manage them" on the way out.

Same could be seen in India and africa.

If you are not white then this is not your fight.

Choose either side and you'll lose.

Black Americans should consider their current situation in America as if they were a jew in pre Nazi Germany.
 
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DeadFish dijo:
Exactly. Any one who aint white going be considered a subversive.
Its not your skin color. Its who those who are not white associated with. Democrats and democrats have made it very clear they want whitie to die.

What the democrats want is slaves. The wish to enslave non whites while telling them they are helping them. See how blm helped Biden to get into office. Now that Biden is in office blm hasnt gotten a word back.

Whites have a very nasty habit of roping non whites into their fights to boost numbers. Take native Americans with fights between European powers. English vs French. What was the native americans reward for helping?
Having their land taken from them, their culture destroyed then creating an agency to perpetually "manage them" on the way out.

Same could be seen in India and africa.

If you are not white then this is not your fight.

Choose either side and you'll lose.

Black Americans should consider their current situation in America as if they were a jew in pre Nazi Germany.
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I accept death then. There's no path that isn't dying a horrible death. Going to Africa is likely also a death sentence (and not every person can get on the boats to begin with). Might as well die on American soil to the disenfranchised; its not much different from African warlords/Malaria.

Also whitey has to kill their race traitors before they can start killing the non-whites in a meaningful manner (or so I want to delude myself in believing).
 
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💗Bitchstopher Columbitch💗 dijo:
How would a race war even play out at this point? You have two sets of Whites who hate each other and a bunch of non-Whites of various colors. I guess everyone who doesn't look white would automatically get lumped in with the commies?
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I'd say race war in america would be impossible, I mean, sure, nigs gonna nog. But the ones being more vehemently anty-nog are the latins, who would also persecute mexican illegals if it got to that, you can also expect koreans to take the latin side while chinks are probably just gonna try and play both sides because they're really just jews with smaller eyes and worse hygiene, and similarly whites gonna be on both sides because antifa are just white nigs and at least some whites gonna have enough brains to join the latin side when the nogs come for them. Hell even jews would see orthodoxes taking Trump side and Ashkenazis taking antifa's side. Furthermore, as we saw in Portland, actual blacks who aren't nigs are taking the redneck side (and calling for reinforcements when needed) So really, in the end, it's gonna wind up cut by ideological lines soon enough. I'd still expect most blacks to be on the commie side but other than that, racial borders wouldn't hold. It'd be landwhales vs magas.
 
EmuWarsVeteran dijo:
Slavery was definitely a large part of that. And I think this is both something that southern apologists need to start understanding and those who criticize the south also need to start evaluating in context.

Take into account that for the south at the time slavery WAS the economy. The south wasn't industrialized like the north and wouldn't be until railways managed to fix their serious communication issues, so slave plantations were almost all of their actual resources, and they were extremely valuable precisely because of slave use. Without slavery, their revenue streams would get assreamed hard and the overpopulation would set in fast. Now you may think "what overpopulation lol their density was shit" but take into account that back then we didn't have nearly the kind of irrigation systems we have now, nor the bleeping trains to communicate cities. Yes, there was a lot of land, but it was a lot of completely uninhabitable desert wasteland, when you take into account the need for HABITABLE land which has FOOD in it, oh the south had a serious issue if slavery was abolished just like that. Between the loss of money culling exports (and therefore also imports) and the need to turn plantations into farms to account for the loss of those imports leading to even more loss of money, it was a very visible and notorious issue which had already caused genocydal servile insurrections in the caribbean's colonies, something the southerners were very open about being their greatest fear.

Ironically enough the reason this in the end turn out to be far less of an issue that they feared is actually because of the war. Namely because it solved the overpopulation issue by means of... well... culling a whole lot of people. And because after the war the need to recover national pride and unity lead to a hard turn back into the frontier mith to claim the indian territories which also heavily expanded the amount of livable land. So had the south not rebelled, there is a very good chance that the frontier myth initiatives would've been a lot more cucked and there would've been a lot more people to feed, resulting in a very good chance of the feared servile insurrection ending in the persecution of white southerners and a civil war between the freed slaves turned secessionist and the north.

Kind of fucked up when you think about it. That the way shit was built before the war, south didn't really seem to have any chance of avoiding bloodshed, it could only choose between being the ones it's done to, or attempting to be the ones doing it. I'm not gonna blame them for choosing the second really. If anything, I hate lost cause revisionists fare more than the actual civil war southerners, even if I seriously disagree with their political ideas. Can't quite say I got anymosity against someone for choosing the wrong conclussion to a question that had no right answer. But I certainly can muster up vile towards those trying to cover the truth just because it doesn't fit their CURRENT ideology. Your ancestors didn't think like you, they also didn't live in times like the one's you're living in, get over it already.
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So what would be the other reasons be? If I remember right, one them was that they had a different ideals when it came to state power vs national power?
 
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