Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Marvel wrote the modern how to guide to making your own cinematic universe but literally everybody outright ignore it.
No, they're copying it, but it's the worst shit.

Dramatic moments or grief? Can't have that shit, just make a quip. Breathing room? Oh god no, the kids will get bored if there isn't an explosion or something every 2 seconds or something. Good characters? Fuck that, just use IP and now push this ideology that fails harder than communism.
 
Marvel wrote the modern how to guide to making your own cinematic universe but literally everybody outright ignore it.
You have to realize that Hollywood is constantly trying to follow profitable trends, usually without taking even a modicum of effort to determine why a concept became popular in the first place. Given how ridiculous Hollywood accounting is, there's no incentive to taking things slow, doing research, and planning things out. Studios need X number of blockbusters this year making Y dollars so they have Z profits to finance all the films coming down the pipeline, as well as line the pockets of the higher-ups. Coming up with something even remotely original takes time and effort that they just don't have, so they'll shamelessly copy whatever's popular and hope that'll work. Remember the zombie trend from about a decade ago? Remember how much zombie crap there was everywhere? Seems like a simpler time, nowadays.

But since you brought it up, let's look at the MCU. Marvel had licensed out their superheros to studios like Sony and Fox beginning in the late 90's, with mixed results. Eventually, Marvel decided to start producing their own movies, but since they didn't have the rights to Spiderman, arguably their most famous hero, nor the X-Men, they took a bit of a gamble on one that was a little lesser known (not unknown, but certainly not quite as popular). It paid off, and Iron Man proved to be a big success. And then they tossed a little teaser at the end, with none other than Samuel L. Jackson hinting at more to come.

That movie codified what would become known as the Marvel Formula: introduce a hero, have them fight a bad guy (usually similar to the hero), then drop a post-credits scene teasing one or more future movies. This culminated in the first Avengers movie, bringing multiple characters and plotlines together into one big spectacle, and it worked, to the tune of $1.5 billion. Marvel (now part of Disney) had a roadmap to success: origin movies, sequels to popular characters' individual films, and capping it off with a big crossover event. Box office records were being smashed left and right, superhero movies were dominating theaters, and the MCU had become one of the biggest entertainment franchises in history.

Of course, with how big the MCU has become, it's easy to forget just how slow it started. The first phase (Iron Man to The Avengers) was six films released over four years, some years only having a single Marvel movie released. In an age when we've been seeing a new Marvel movie on average every four months, that almost seems quaint now. But it was that slow buildup that worked in its favor. Enough time passed between each entry that you were interested in seeing a new Marvel movie, and when everything came together in The Avengers, it paid off nicely, being able to see all these characters interacting with each other at once.

But Hollywood executives didn't care about that. All they saw was the giant haul of cash that Disney was raking in with every subsequent movie, and they wanted a piece of that action. So immediately, every studio looked at the properties they owned and tried to work out which they could turn into their own "cinematic universe." Fox essentially rebooted the X-Men series once the MCU started ramping up, and that was fairly successful, up until the Disney buyout, anyway. They also tried rebooting the Fantastic Four...less successfully. Warner Bros. had the DC license and took advantage of that, but that series has had its ups (Shazam! was great and Aquaman was pretty fun) and downs (rushing to get to Justice League without setting up half of the characters was pretty stupid). Universal successfully rebooted Jurassic Park with Jurassic World, then unsuccessfully tried launching a cinematic universe based on the old Universal Monsters, which flopped straight out of the gate. And of course, Disney themselves attempted to MCU-ify the Star Wars franchise, and as everyone who hangs around this thread knows, it went poorly, to say the least.

Yes, the MCU is essentially a fairly simple template that one could follow: take a known property, build it up slowly, get people invested, then deliver the big spectacle once all the pieces are ready. But nobody in Hollywood has time for any of that. That new yacht isn't gonna buy itself, y'know!

I'd write more but this is already very long. I'll close by agreeing with @Adamska right above me: a lot of what's copied is just surface-level, slathered over an empty shell that can be marketed to as many people as possible. Pandering to the international market (especially China) has been killing movies for a long time, and I don't see it improving much anytime soon.
 
You have to realize that Hollywood is constantly trying to follow profitable trends, usually without taking even a modicum of effort to determine why a concept became popular in the first place. Given how ridiculous Hollywood accounting is, there's no incentive to taking things slow, doing research, and planning things out. Studios need X number of blockbusters this year making Y dollars so they have Z profits to finance all the films coming down the pipeline, as well as line the pockets of the higher-ups. Coming up with something even remotely original takes time and effort that they just don't have, so they'll shamelessly copy whatever's popular and hope that'll work. Remember the zombie trend from about a decade ago? Remember how much zombie crap there was everywhere? Seems like a simpler time, nowadays.

But since you brought it up, let's look at the MCU. Marvel had licensed out their superheros to studios like Sony and Fox beginning in the late 90's, with mixed results. Eventually, Marvel decided to start producing their own movies, but since they didn't have the rights to Spiderman, arguably their most famous hero, nor the X-Men, they took a bit of a gamble on one that was a little lesser known (not unknown, but certainly not quite as popular). It paid off, and Iron Man proved to be a big success. And then they tossed a little teaser at the end, with none other than Samuel L. Jackson hinting at more to come.

That movie codified what would become known as the Marvel Formula: introduce a hero, have them fight a bad guy (usually similar to the hero), then drop a post-credits scene teasing one or more future movies. This culminated in the first Avengers movie, bringing multiple characters and plotlines together into one big spectacle, and it worked, to the tune of $1.5 billion. Marvel (now part of Disney) had a roadmap to success: origin movies, sequels to popular characters' individual films, and capping it off with a big crossover event. Box office records were being smashed left and right, superhero movies were dominating theaters, and the MCU had become one of the biggest entertainment franchises in history.

Of course, with how big the MCU has become, it's easy to forget just how slow it started. The first phase (Iron Man to The Avengers) was six films released over four years, some years only having a single Marvel movie released. In an age when we've been seeing a new Marvel movie on average every four months, that almost seems quaint now. But it was that slow buildup that worked in its favor. Enough time passed between each entry that you were interested in seeing a new Marvel movie, and when everything came together in The Avengers, it paid off nicely, being able to see all these characters interacting with each other at once.

But Hollywood executives didn't care about that. All they saw was the giant haul of cash that Disney was raking in with every subsequent movie, and they wanted a piece of that action. So immediately, every studio looked at the properties they owned and tried to work out which they could turn into their own "cinematic universe." Fox essentially rebooted the X-Men series once the MCU started ramping up, and that was fairly successful, up until the Disney buyout, anyway. They also tried rebooting the Fantastic Four...less successfully. Warner Bros. had the DC license and took advantage of that, but that series has had its ups (Shazam! was great and Aquaman was pretty fun) and downs (rushing to get to Justice League without setting up half of the characters was pretty stupid). Universal successfully rebooted Jurassic Park with Jurassic World, then unsuccessfully tried launching a cinematic universe based on the old Universal Monsters, which flopped straight out of the gate. And of course, Disney themselves attempted to MCU-ify the Star Wars franchise, and as everyone who hangs around this thread knows, it went poorly, to say the least.

Yes, the MCU is essentially a fairly simple template that one could follow: take a known property, build it up slowly, get people invested, then deliver the big spectacle once all the pieces are ready. But nobody in Hollywood has time for any of that. That new yacht isn't gonna buy itself, y'know!

I'd write more but this is already very long. I'll close by agreeing with @Adamska right above me: a lot of what's copied is just surface-level, slathered over an empty shell that can be marketed to as many people as possible. Pandering to the international market (especially China) has been killing movies for a long time, and I don't see it improving much anytime soon.
I know I've said it in this thread before, I called it "cargo cult filmmaking." They put on all the trappings of what worked, but have no idea what it was at the heart and gut that made it work.
 
https://youtube.com/watch?v=w7drWmUgcXw
Is it me, or is Doomcock always weeks behind on all the "iNcrEdIblE lEaKS!". At this point, I'm pretty convinced that his "sources" are other youtube people that cover it before him.
We've said it before itt, Doomcock is always the last to know about something in regards to "leaks" and anything he does come across first usually ends up being completely wrong. Even fucking redditors have their fingers on the pulse while Doomcock has his in his ass. He doesn't even bother to put any effort in his videos. Its always just the same pre-recorded pink background footage for a few seconds and the rest of the video is a crappy thumbnail with no other images actually relevant to the discussion. Its like he's living in a bubble. Only thing absolutely certain is that Kennedy and Lucasfilm are retards.
No, they're copying it, but it's the worst shit.

Dramatic moments or grief? Can't have that shit, just make a quip. Breathing room? Oh god no, the kids will get bored if there isn't an explosion or something every 2 seconds or something. Good characters? Fuck that, just use IP and now push this ideology that fails harder than communism.
People are actually celebrating the idea of Filoni turning the Mandalorian into the basis for a MCU-like age for the franchise which is nothing short of retarded. The wolf fucker and the rest of Lucasfilm can't grasp what made the franchise great in the first place and its pathetic.
 
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We've said it before itt, Doomcock is always the last to know about something in regards to "leaks" and anything he does come across first usually ends up being completely wrong. Even fucking redditors have their fingers on the pulse while Doomcock has his in his ass. He doesn't even bother to put any effort in his videos. Its always just the same pre-recorded pink background footage for a few seconds and the rest of the video is a crappy thumbnail with no other images actually relevant to the discussion. Its like he's living in a bubble.

He's the anti-Disney shill: with how easy it is to criticize LucasFilms and Disney, there's always going to be those people looking to make a quick buck with half-assed videos. Again, when your target's Disney, most are willing to forgive your own inadequacies.
 
You have to realize that Hollywood is constantly trying to follow profitable trends, usually without taking even a modicum of effort to determine why a concept became popular in the first place. Given how ridiculous Hollywood accounting is, there's no incentive to taking things slow, doing research, and planning things out. Studios need X number of blockbusters this year making Y dollars so they have Z profits to finance all the films coming down the pipeline, as well as line the pockets of the higher-ups. Coming up with something even remotely original takes time and effort that they just don't have, so they'll shamelessly copy whatever's popular and hope that'll work. Remember the zombie trend from about a decade ago? Remember how much zombie crap there was everywhere? Seems like a simpler time, nowadays.

But since you brought it up, let's look at the MCU. Marvel had licensed out their superheros to studios like Sony and Fox beginning in the late 90's, with mixed results. Eventually, Marvel decided to start producing their own movies, but since they didn't have the rights to Spiderman, arguably their most famous hero, nor the X-Men, they took a bit of a gamble on one that was a little lesser known (not unknown, but certainly not quite as popular). It paid off, and Iron Man proved to be a big success. And then they tossed a little teaser at the end, with none other than Samuel L. Jackson hinting at more to come.

That movie codified what would become known as the Marvel Formula: introduce a hero, have them fight a bad guy (usually similar to the hero), then drop a post-credits scene teasing one or more future movies. This culminated in the first Avengers movie, bringing multiple characters and plotlines together into one big spectacle, and it worked, to the tune of $1.5 billion. Marvel (now part of Disney) had a roadmap to success: origin movies, sequels to popular characters' individual films, and capping it off with a big crossover event. Box office records were being smashed left and right, superhero movies were dominating theaters, and the MCU had become one of the biggest entertainment franchises in history.

Of course, with how big the MCU has become, it's easy to forget just how slow it started. The first phase (Iron Man to The Avengers) was six films released over four years, some years only having a single Marvel movie released. In an age when we've been seeing a new Marvel movie on average every four months, that almost seems quaint now. But it was that slow buildup that worked in its favor. Enough time passed between each entry that you were interested in seeing a new Marvel movie, and when everything came together in The Avengers, it paid off nicely, being able to see all these characters interacting with each other at once.

But Hollywood executives didn't care about that. All they saw was the giant haul of cash that Disney was raking in with every subsequent movie, and they wanted a piece of that action. So immediately, every studio looked at the properties they owned and tried to work out which they could turn into their own "cinematic universe." Fox essentially rebooted the X-Men series once the MCU started ramping up, and that was fairly successful, up until the Disney buyout, anyway. They also tried rebooting the Fantastic Four...less successfully. Warner Bros. had the DC license and took advantage of that, but that series has had its ups (Shazam! was great and Aquaman was pretty fun) and downs (rushing to get to Justice League without setting up half of the characters was pretty stupid). Universal successfully rebooted Jurassic Park with Jurassic World, then unsuccessfully tried launching a cinematic universe based on the old Universal Monsters, which flopped straight out of the gate. And of course, Disney themselves attempted to MCU-ify the Star Wars franchise, and as everyone who hangs around this thread knows, it went poorly, to say the least.

Yes, the MCU is essentially a fairly simple template that one could follow: take a known property, build it up slowly, get people invested, then deliver the big spectacle once all the pieces are ready. But nobody in Hollywood has time for any of that. That new yacht isn't gonna buy itself, y'know!

I'd write more but this is already very long. I'll close by agreeing with @Adamska right above me: a lot of what's copied is just surface-level, slathered over an empty shell that can be marketed to as many people as possible. Pandering to the international market (especially China) has been killing movies for a long time, and I don't see it improving much anytime soon.

You've got a solid lock on why the MCU was able to take off, why imitators have failed, and why the MCU is on course for a very messy implosion, and the extreme Me-tooism (I mean in both senses) of Hollywood where why try to come up with something original when we can ape someone else.



I generally liked what Universal tried to do with The Mummy, just the whole movie ended up a complete mess. Like you said earlier,Justice League launched with really only two characters really having an origin movie.
 
the MCU was lightning in a bottle.
not really. it's just that hollywood has become so shit and lazy they can't even manage to copy a simply comic book movie. it's the same shit you see constantly where companies try to recreate the massively big earner in some form by just copying it with zero effort and expect the free money to roll in.

I mean disney itself was too retarded to copy the mcu when star wars is probably the fucking easiest IP to do it with that has huge established fanbase. all you had to do is plan ahead and not be absolute shit in almost every department.
 
People are actually celebrating the idea of Filoni turning the Mandalorian into the basis for a MCU-like age for the franchise which is nothing short of exceptional. The wolf fucker and the rest of Lucasfilm can't grasp what made the franchise great in the first place and its pathetic.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=J0dj1enQKyY
There's a (maybe apocryphal) observation from American novelist John Gardner to the effect that there are really only two different stories in great literature: A boy leaves home or a stranger comes to town. If you put any stock in this logic, then it's interesting to note that the plot of Original Trilogy broadly corresponds to the first example while The Mandalorian follows the second. This "Star Wars but from the opposite point of view" nature of the live-action series is further compounded by the fact that the plot of the OT is driven by a son's efforts to live up to the legacy of/reestablish a relationship with his father, while the plot of The Mandalorian's initial eight episodes concerns the hero's embracing the responsibilities of fatherhood and striving to do right by his (surrogate) son.

Reminder that the British government literally abolished the judicial principal of double jeopardy because it was getting in the way of convicting a scapegoat for a black teenager's violent death.
 
Someone tell me if I'm wrong. There were multiple cuts of RoS. You have the JJ cut, not interested in that on its own except to see what he was forced to change, the Lucas cut, and the Iger cut.

From what I understand, the Lucas cut is between twenty to thirty minutes of footage. It mostly changes the ending? I'm actually starting to get interested in it. What did he do that he thought would salvage this thing?
 
Someone tell me if I'm wrong. There were multiple cuts of RoS. You have the JJ cut, not interested in that on its own except to see what he was forced to change, the Lucas cut, and the Iger cut.

From what I understand, the Lucas cut is between twenty to thirty minutes of footage. It mostly changes the ending? I'm actually starting to get interested in it. What did he do that he thought would salvage this thing?
Anakin's force ghost picking up Palpatine and yeeting him into the pit? It would have been completely retarded but in an entertaining way over the banality of the real thing.
 
Someone tell me if I'm wrong. There were multiple cuts of RoS. You have the JJ cut, not interested in that on its own except to see what he was forced to change, the Lucas cut, and the Iger cut.

From what I understand, the Lucas cut is between twenty to thirty minutes of footage. It mostly changes the ending? I'm actually starting to get interested in it. What did he do that he thought would salvage this thing?
From what I remember, that rumor came from Doomcock, and his leaks are almost always incorrect. I can believe that there were many reshoots, but I don't think that Lucas was actually called to be anything but an advisor.
 
What unholy essence from Hell have I unleashed by showing that comic to the world...?
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Aside from that bit of horror, in other news I found out something recently from a Disney-obsessed friend of mine who won't shut the fuck up about IX and every little damn thing he sees in that movie which he brags about having watched 7 times now (I'll never understand the urge to watch the same movie over a hundreds times or more if possible since it only takes away the charm if you memorize it to a perfect tee). Anyway, I found out that the the movie was the first of the Disney Trilogy (not counting RO and Solo) to feature OT aliens that weren't nuChewbacca, nuAckbar (or nu-Ackbar's nu-son) and nuNien Nub that weren't just some shitty reference by Hidalgo. Apparently there's only two old school aliens in the film, but their appearance and position is so obscured and brief that you would barely even notice them. One is a lone Ithorian in the stupid desert party scene tucked away somewhere and it isn't the horrible nuIthorian from TFA, but the only way to know this is through a production still.
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The other is a lone Snivvian but you also won't know its there unless its through production info, and the worst part is he was played by the new Disney creatures designer Jake Lunt Davies responsible for many phallic and flesh toned abominations.
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But in fairness he has designed more traditional or nice looking stuff, but he claims they were all rejected.

So that's about it. However, I also found out through my friend that despite almost zero changes in the aesthetics of technology and ships (if anything they've been going backwards) and OT and EU aliens and locations having been completely forsaken (despite that being the one area that should have some consistency), the Disney Trilogy actually had OT and EU droids appear in the background of all three movies for some strange reason. GNK power droids, Mouse droids, the head of a 2-1B doctor droid, R4s, R5s and the most notable being the R6-astromechs from the 1995 History of Droids guide, however its so small you hardly see it and will only know its one through a close up production still of Snap Fucking Wexley's ship.
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Worst thing is this droid belongs to Chuck Wendig's godawful self-insert Snap Wexley. Would explain why it and one other droid are the only EU content in the film. The only other one is some I2CGs from the Imperial Sourcebooks for Moff wannabes.
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And the only prequel droid is the B1 Battle Droid in Crazy Frog's junk shop in Plan IX.

It seems really odd overall. Why only one R6? Why no familiar aliens? Why use all the exact same ships but give them a shitty paintjob like chinese knockoffs? Does Disney truly even own this franchise or do they just have a licensing thing going on? WTF are they even doing?

Finally, it seems Disney made a fucking jedi gameshow which will be premiering in a few days.
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And its fucking "canon". I honestly shouldn't be surprised considering the state of Disney's films, DEU and their pathetic story group, as well as the fact that Disney even considers Lego shit canon (despite what Wookieepedo claims), but a fucking gameshow? In an age where the jedi are actually extinct? What the fuck is even happening? It will also have a 3PO and R2 donut steals as the hosts of the show rather than the genuine articles or even that BB-8 turd. Is there something going on here? Does Disney actually own these characters or not?

Also here's the show's host.
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Seriously this shit's premiering in a few days and I don't think anyone's heard a damn thing about this. Wtf is Disney advertising even doing?
He's chimping out harder than he did at the London premiere of The Farce Awakens.
From what I remember, that rumor came from Doomcock, and his leaks are almost always incorrect. I can believe that there were many reshoots, but I don't think that Lucas was actually called to be anything but an advisor.
That's pretty much the case. George came up with some ideas and there were a lot of deleted scenes and edits, but there's no real Lucas Cut aside from the few ideas he gave for IX and the early outlines he pitched for the Disney Trilogy. At best there's a JJ cut but who honestly gives a shit about that? Most of it is just more Emo Ren sperging, more explosions and flashy lights and about 7 minutes of opening footage with a shitty giant spider on Mustafar which looks nothing like Mustafar despite the location being the same one where Anakin and Obi-Wan fought.
 
And its fucking "canon". I honestly shouldn't be surprised considering the state of Disney's films, DEU and their pathetic story group, as well as the fact that Disney even considers Lego shit canon (despite what Wookieepedo claims), but a fucking gameshow? In an age where the jedi are actually extinct? What the fuck is even happening? It will also have a 3PO and R2 donut steals as the hosts of the show rather than the genuine articles or even that BB-8 turd. Is there something going on here? Does Disney actually own these characters or not?
How is it canon? Is it like an in universe game show? At this point I expect the Robot Chicken specials to be declared "canon".
 
There's a (maybe apocryphal) observation from American novelist John Gardner to the effect that there are really only two different stories in great literature: A boy leaves home or a stranger comes to town.

if you wanna go with that might as well reduce it further to the story every time being "shit happens!".

Aside from that bit of horror, in other news I found out something recently from a Disney-obsessed friend of mine who won't shut the fuck up about IX and every little damn thing he sees in that movie which he brags about having watched 7 times now (I'll never understand the urge to watch the same movie over a hundreds times or more if possible since it only takes away the charm if you memorize it to a perfect tee).

depends on the movie. I probably watched your name more than that and still noticed new shit I missed before. most western crap doesn't go to that length, so there isn't really any point unless you're really bored.

Seriously this shit's premiering in a few days and I don't think anyone's heard a damn thing about this. Wtf is Disney advertising even doing?

they're are probably aware of their audience, how many people even remember advertisements they saw yesterday? so it get's a big push when it's actually out so all the consoomers can watch it RIGHT NOW OMG!
 
I know I've said it in this thread before, I called it "cargo cult filmmaking." They put on all the trappings of what worked, but have no idea what it was at the heart and gut that made it work.
I've seen a pretty interesting opinion piece a decade or so ago about how the founders of manga and anime were mostly driven by creativity and fed on literature and personal experience and tastes to create the very first (and in some cases iconic to this day) IPs such as Astroboy. Then we have the next generation that still had a rich amount of various sources, but also some anime and manga of the first generation and we end up with stuff like Space Pirate Harloc... but the longer this went on, the more incestuous the anime and manga scene became and nowadays, we have a shitton of artists who thrive on nothing but anime and manga, with derivative works that (at best) merely pick apart some long since established tropes, ideas, stock characters and plot-threads and rearrange them into vaguely newish, yet not truly groundbreaking, series. There are still enough people around that bring new ideas to the table, but most are entirely fed on a diet of whatever was popular in the past 30 years or so and their works are derivative slop that does nothing but mimicking these stories. In a sense, the majority of the artists are just cargo-cult aritsts that ape what they saw in the past.

I think Hollywood has hit a similar state, where the extend of experience is "reads Harry Potter and various Harry Potter Fanfictions" and the talent is limited to "copy what's popular".
There have always been writers and producers with very limited skills and an even more limited background in terms of tastes, but it seems that these writers are now slowly takaing over story groups like with Star Wars and Star Trek. The result is plain to see.
 
I don't know if this is something I've already mentioned on this thread, but a mind-blowing thought occurred to me the other day while I was reading Dark Empire:

-In the Expanded Universe, Palpatine comes back and is defeated by Luke, Han and Leia for a final time.
-In the perceived "superior" Disney canon, Palpatine comes back and outlives all of three OT heroes.

Just...let that fucking sink in. Remember that any time some Disney Drone mocks the EU for having goofy shit like the Jedi Prince novels or the Callista trilogy, when ^that was the outcome the Mouse's Writer's Room decided for these characters.
 
Finally, it seems Disney made a fucking jedi gameshow which will be premiering in a few days.
Am I the only one who thinks a Star Wars version of "Legends of the Hidden Temple" would actually be fun for a kids' audience? You could even run it the same way, have a Star Wars trivia contest, some games and races, and then the winners get to do the "Death Star Infiltration" where they have to set off the self-destruct while avoiding Temple Guards stormtroopers.
 
Am I the only one who thinks a Star Wars version of "Legends of the Hidden Temple" would actually be fun for a kids' audience? You could even run it the same way, have a Star Wars trivia contest, some games and races, and then the winners get to do the "Death Star Infiltration" where they have to set off the self-destruct while avoiding Temple Guards stormtroopers.
iirc I've heard that any of these sort of live Jedi Training stage events at the parks are always huge successes
yeah as far as "horrible shit Disney's done" this is pretty low on the power chart so far, this could be a great way to shit out a half hour of content each week for mostly cheap, especially after the parks re-open if Disney Studios still has any working soundstages still
 
The game show idea is sadly the best one Disney has had in years.

The only retardation involved is their desire to link it into canon at all, when it could at best just be more like this: winners of the game show are inducted as Jedi noted during the Times of Peace in the Republic, under their master the host. It would be less intrusive and be one of a variety of cool ass prizes you win on there.

You can even have spin-offs, where you have one for the sith, where only the two can rule in a double-dare style mix of lore and training. The winner of the previous game is the "master" and the last contestant after weedouts is the apprentice. Then the apprentice and master duke it out and the winner must pick from new acolytes for the next round/season. Winner gets cool ass prizes and an entry in the Sith lore as one of the Darths (named by themselves within reason).

Also a bounty hunter show too for those people more in the mood for that thing, with obstacle courses, a target ring, and even a hunt for specific people where the winner gets the reward.

Cheap and shockingly effective. I'm legit shocked they accidentally shat out a good idea. Whether or not it works, I'm doubtful on, but it is actually a good idea.
 
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