Marvel Cinematic Universe

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UnKillFill dijo:
I strongly disagree. I actually almost walked out of Spiderman 3 back in the day because it was so fucking stupid, and not even because of how terrible a job Rami did portraying one of my favorite villains/anti-heroes in Venom (Yeah I've seen Rami say he didn't like Venom, and never wanted to use him in a film)

That only proves that Rami didn't ever actually *get* Spiderman. Venom definitely NEEDED to be in a Spiderman movie at some point (If it were me, I'd give peter the black suit in movie 3, and make Venom be the villain in movie 4, because fuck trilogies,) but now Venom will probably never be done well because of how badly Rami fucked up the character in SM3. Studio mandate or not, Rami is still the guy who chose Topher Grace for the role, a gross miscasting that NEVER could have worked.

The (not so) Amazing Spiderman films, both of them, were just meh.
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Could not disagree more about Raimi "not understanding" Spider-Man. Aside from the Spider-Verse movie, there hasn't been a Spider-Man movie since Spider-Man 2 where I thought it was near-perfect as a Spider-Man movie. I've enjoyed the MCU Spider-Man for what it is ... But it ain't any Spider-Man 1 and 2 in my eyes. Not even close.

And Raimi wanted to make that fourth movie, though. He didn't want to just keep it at a trilogy. In fact, Sony signed him on to work on Spider-Man 4 before they went behind his back and planned the Andrew Garfield reboot (because they needed a Spider-Man movie to be made fast before their license expired and went to Marvel/Disney). Raimi stopped making these movies because Sony put a halt to it, not because he didn't want to do it.

Also, I don't hate the Topher Grace casting (I've gotten so much shit from people since 2007 for saying this, haha!). I just think that the movie was entirely too rushed because there were too many things Sony wanted to force in there. Raimi was going for an "evil Peter Parker doppleganger" thing, and I liked the idea of that. Plus, Eddie Brock has always been a smarmy piece of shit loser ... And that's exactly how Topher played it. To each their own-- I am admittedly not the biggest Venom fan myself (I much prefer several other Spidey villains). If you hated it, then you hated it. It's cool.

One final thing: Raimi has also been on record (within the past 2 years, actually) trashing Spider-Man 3 himself. While I think he's being too harsh, he at least acknowledges the problems the movie had and has no issues talking about it in interviews. I'm honestly shocked he's coming back for another comic book movie at all after the backlash he got for Spider-Man 3. That leads me to believe he has something interesting and fun up his sleeves for this.
 
jellycar dijo:
Wasn't Anne Hathaway legit up for the role of Felicia Hardy/Black Cat?
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It was either Black Cat, or it was going to be the "Vultress," who would end up being the Vulture's daughter. I think that a "twist" involving the Vulture's daughter was being planned.

(I swear Spider-Man: Homecoming took some of Raimi's notes that he left at Sony for Spider-Man 4, lol. Good on them, though. The twist in Spider-Man: Homecoming was delightful.)
 
jellycar dijo:
Wasn't Anne Hathaway legit up for the role of Felicia Hardy/Black Cat?
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Anne Hathaway? I honestly don't see it. But then I didn't like her Catwoman that much either for a similar reason: no real sense of fun. But at least in Catwoman's case she can be a less fun, more moody version in some stories. Black Cat should be a little more larger than life, I feel.
 
UnKillFill dijo:
There are rumors going around that Rogue is going to be a villain in Captain Marvel 2. Can't wait to see how they fuck up that (admittedly awesome) idea...
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well she was a villain first in her origins. it could work, but knowing current milquetoast woke Disney they can always ruin her. like making her a strawman hillbilly racist inferior to queen of feminism Carol.
 
friedshrimp dijo:
well she was a villain first in her origins. it could work, but knowing current milquetoast woke Disney they can always ruin her. like making her a strawman hillbilly racist inferior to queen of feminism Carol.
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Yeah, even if they go this route, theres no way in hell that MCU Rogue perma-steals Carol's powers, (which for the record is what they SHOULD do.) They'll probably just have Rogue temporarily take them for a fight if even that.
 
I thought I was going to lose interest in the MCU after Endgame. Hell, I was already too jaded to see some of the last entires (I did not see Captain Marvel or Ant-Man and the Wasp. I saw Black Panther almost half a year after Infinity War) but I'm actually kind of looking forward to at least Doctor Strange 2 now.

Raimi is basically the guy that started the modern comic book movie trend with Spider-Man. Sure X-Men came first but Spider-Man was huge, and part of it was because Raimi was a huge fan of early Spider-Man. The original trilogy still remains one of the most faithful adaptations of the original comic run, almost on part with the 90s animated series. Raimi really likes the Stan Lee and especially Steve Ditko take on the character.

There was another character that Ditko was famous for during his tenure at Marvel. You guessed it: Doctor Strange. Hopefully we'll get Raimi's take on the bizarre and abstract Ditko take on the character.
 
As much as I utterly despise the Marvel Cinematic Universe, even I'll admit that I'd like to see Sam Raimi's take on Doctor Strange. My only real fear is that the woke-meisters at Disney will actively fuck with the production of the movie and you'll end up with a Spider-Man 3 scenario where Sam Raimi does his best with a good concept, but it gets messed up by studio meddling.

I'm not going to pay to see Doctor Strange 2, but I wouldn't be adverse to seeing it while on the high seas or just buying a ticket to a different movie and sneaking into the theater to see it.
 
To this day it amazes me there are still people retarded enough to think Dancing Peter was intended to be cool. In the very same shot there's people looking at him with wtf expressions.

He was a dork with a sudden confidence boost. Not a suave operator.
 
Catgirl IRL dijo:
To this day it amazes me there are still people exceptional enough to think Dancing Peter was intended to be cool. In the very same shot there's people looking at him with wtf expressions.

He was a dork with a sudden confidence boost. Not a suave operator.
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Yeah. The symbiote made him more aggressive and less self conscious. It did not make him any less of a nerd.
 
Catgirl IRL dijo:
To this day it amazes me there are still people exceptional enough to think Dancing Peter was intended to be cool. In the very same shot there's people looking at him with wtf expressions.

He was a dork with a sudden confidence boost. Not a suave operator.
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I honestly am surprised people who frequent this site, of all places, can't find a socially maladjusted nerd failing hardcore at trying to be cool entertaining.
 
Absolutego dijo:
I honestly am surprised people who frequent this site, of all places, can't find a socially maladjusted nerd failing hardcore at trying to be cool entertaining.
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I dislike it because it feels like a "Parody" of a "nerdy guy trying to act cool and failing" by somebody who hasn't ever met a nerd.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love dijo:
I dislike it because it feels like a "Parody" of a "nerdy guy trying to act cool and failing" by somebody who hasn't ever met a nerd.
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You really want to tell me the man who spent the 80's and early 90's turning a weird horror series into an action-adventure movie complete with stop-motion skeletons and bad action hero one-liners isn't a massive nerd?
 
Absolutego dijo:
You really want to tell me the man who spent the 80's and early 90's turning a weird horror series into an action-adventure movie complete with stop-motion skeletons and bad action hero one-liners isn't a massive nerd?
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*shrug* I dunno, I am just telling you what that scene felt like to me.
 
SmugAutist dijo:
I thought I was going to lose interest in the MCU after Endgame. Hell, I was already too jaded to see some of the last entires (I did not see Captain Marvel or Ant-Man and the Wasp. I saw Black Panther almost half a year after Infinity War) but I'm actually kind of looking forward to at least Doctor Strange 2 now.

Raimi is basically the guy that started the modern comic book movie trend with Spider-Man. Sure X-Men came first but Spider-Man was huge, and part of it was because Raimi was a huge fan of early Spider-Man. The original trilogy still remains one of the most faithful adaptations of the original comic run, almost on part with the 90s animated series. Raimi really likes the Stan Lee and especially Steve Ditko take on the character.

There was another character that Ditko was famous for during his tenure at Marvel. You guessed it: Doctor Strange. Hopefully we'll get Raimi's take on the bizarre and abstract Ditko take on the character.
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Sam Raimi has a unique and very entertaining style. I am a fan and he may well deliver a good DS2 movie. But it wont be the movie we were going to get which would be a weird horror film. Yes, I am aware that Raimi has made some quite famous Horror films. No, I don't think what he turns in for Marvel will be the sort of horror we were going to get. They wouldn't let him if he tried. They are going to keep all the MCU movies pretty much in the same tonal genre as each other which is a shame because what they need to do, what is vital they do right now, is try to transition the MCU into a more of a meta-genre that spans much more different styles of movies. It's the only way it can continue with a similar degree of success.
 
Catgirl IRL dijo:
To this day it amazes me there are still people exceptional enough to think Dancing Peter was intended to be cool. In the very same shot there's people looking at him with wtf expressions.

He was a dork with a sudden confidence boost. Not a suave operator.
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Even if the movie's intent was to show "LOL look at this dweeb" it was still too cringe to derive any humor from it.
 
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