On The State of Israel - Should it exist, or should it not? Is it already just fine, or do some things need to be fixed?

[Stoneheart]

Just deport all of them to israel.

 

[soy_king]

There's actually a worse list they put you on.
https://canarymission.org
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canary_Mission

Eh probably for the best. I mean what exactly is the justification for not having a watchlist for denying people entry into a country? It's not like Mossad is being sent to murder these people.

 

[Toucan]

We wouldnt tolerate it if any other country in the world became a theocratic ethnostate and began to occupy the territory of its neighbours.
Why should Israel get a pass?

 

[Malodorous Merkin]

We wouldnt tolerate it if any other country in the world became a theocratic ethnostate and began to occupy the territory of its neighbours.
Why should Israel get a pass?

Because Palestine is a theocratic death cult state.

And isn't the situation you described above pretty much what Boko Haram has been doing since 2014? We seem to be tolerating that just fine.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

We wouldnt tolerate it if any other country in the world became a theocratic ethnostate and began to occupy the territory of its neighbours.
Why should Israel get a pass?

It's shooting missiles at the people who want to kill us rather than at us.

 

[Donald Trump's Neck Vag]

Because Palestine is a theocratic death cult state.

And isn't the situation you described above pretty much what Boko Haram has been doing since 2014? We seem to be tolerating that just fine.

It's shooting missiles at the people who want to kill us rather than at us.

It's interesting that Israel-firsters and other cucks always try to equate Palestinians with ISIS and other groups who want to 'kill us' and conveniently ignore the fact that literally every political persuasion and religion in the MENA opposes Israel. Christians were among the first to take up arms against the Zionists. The main Palestinian group - the PLO is wholly secular. Even Hamas's rhetoric is still pretty mild compared to the rhetoric that comes from the mainstream Israeli right-wing lmao.

It's not too surprising, to be honest. Israelis and American Jews spend tens of millions every year on propaganda to make you believe that Israel is a bastion of progressive values, and not some shithole ethnostate with a rapidly growing percentage of Orthodox Jews who want to be a Jewish version of Saudi Arabia.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

It's interesting that Israel-firsters and other cucks always try to equate Palestinians with ISIS and other groups who want to 'kill us' and conveniently ignore the fact that literally every political persuasion and religion in the MENA opposes Israel. Christians were among the first to take up arms against the Zionists. The main Palestinian group - the PLO is wholly secular. Even Hamas's rhetoric is still pretty mild compared to the rhetoric that comes from the mainstream Israeli right-wing lmao.

It's not too surprising, to be honest. Israelis and American Jews spend tens of millions every year on propaganda to make you believe that Israel is a bastion of progressive values and not some shithole ethnostate with a rapidly growing percentage of Orthodox Jews who want to be a Jewish version of Saudi Arabia.

Israel isn't progressive by a long shot. The Orthodox Rabbinate granted absolute power across areas like marriage is hated even by the majority of the secular Jews who form the bulk of the population (even the majority of heterosexual reform jews can't get married there if they're not in the minority authority that wields power).

This is an area where I'd actually say religion is a big part but isn't the be all and end all of the sources of conflict. It's a West vs East thing, and even if you go all the way back before the Abrahamic religions Persia and even before then, something from the East kept coming forth to try and murderstomp Europe.

It doesn't matter what creed they ascribe to, Palestine (or more correctly, its allies) are a threat to the west. Israel has never attacked the US, whereas the rest of the Middle East have long and colorful histories of aggressive rhetoric and often several atrocities waged by them against you.

Israel has been at war since its inception, it's going to be far more aggressive than a nation that doesn't have a very high probability of their neighbor deciding to declare jihad on any religious date of significance like the Yom Kippur war. Israel does not deserve to be judged by the same standards as other western nations for that reason, it wouldn't be there if it didn't do what it does.

But even if we do, and even if Israel is viewed as a hostile power, I'd much rather have the middle east waging war against itself rather than turning its eyes elsewhere, which it always does without exception in history when it isn't.

If you weren't pumping money into Israel, you'd be pumping troops into Eastern Europe and the Meditterenian because the Arabs won't buy your stuff.

 

[Malodorous Merkin]

It's interesting that Israel-firsters and other cucks always try to equate Palestinians with ISIS and other groups who want to 'kill us' and conveniently ignore the fact that literally every political persuasion and religion in the MENA opposes Israel. Christians were among the first to take up arms against the Zionists. The main Palestinian group - the PLO is wholly secular. Even Hamas's rhetoric is still pretty mild compared to the rhetoric that comes from the mainstream Israeli right-wing lmao.

It's not too surprising, to be honest. Israelis and American Jews spend tens of millions every year on propaganda to make you believe that Israel is a bastion of progressive values, and not some shithole ethnostate with a rapidly growing percentage of Orthodox Jews who want to be a Jewish version of Saudi Arabia.

"Mild"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund

They're a death cult that worships suicide bombers like they're rock stars.

Is that seriously your idea of "mild"?

 

[Donald Trump's Neck Vag]

Israel isn't progressive by a long shot. The Orthodox Rabbinate granted absolute power across areas like marriage is hated even by the majority of the secular Jews who form the bulk of the population (even the majority of heterosexual reform jews can't get married there if they're not in the minority authority that wields power).

This is an area where I'd actually say religion is a big part but isn't the be all and end all of the sources of conflict. It's a West vs East thing, and even if you go all the way back before the Abrahamic religions Persia and even before then, something from the East kept coming forth to try and murderstomp Europe.

It doesn't matter what creed they ascribe to, Palestine (or more correctly, its allies) are a threat to the west. Israel has never attacked the US, whereas the rest of the Middle East have long and colorful histories of aggressive rhetoric and often several atrocities waged by them against you.

Israel has been at war since its inception, it's going to be far more aggressive than a nation that doesn't have a very high probability of their neighbor deciding to declare jihad on any religious date of significance like the Yom Kippur war. Israel does not deserve to be judged by the same standards as other western nations for that reason, it wouldn't be there if it didn't do what it does.

But even if we do, and even if Israel is viewed as a hostile power, I'd much rather have the middle east waging war against itself rather than turning its eyes elsewhere, which it always does without exception in history when it isn't.

If you weren't pumping money into Israel, you'd be pumping troops into Eastern Europe and the Meditterenian because the Arabs won't buy your stuff.

Israel's been at war since it's inception because they decided to establish a country in land that people were already living in. If a bunch of Jews decided they wanted to establish Montana as their mythical homeland, do you think Americans would let me?

No, we'd beat the shit out of them so bad the holocaust would look like a walk in the park.

Palestine is *no threat* to us whatsoever. Palestinian terrorist groups are entirely localized - with a few exceptions - to the Levant. With the exception of Iran, all of Palestine's allies are also US allies. So I'm not sure what you mean by this. Meanwhile, Israel exerts a ridiculous amount of influence on our government.

Not sure where you're going with the 'East vs West' thing either. Virtually every great power has tried to conquer vast swathes of land. The Greeks, Macedonians, Romans, and Byzantines all tried to conquer large parts of the Middle East. The Persians weren't trying to conquer Europe (which was largely an economic, social, and cultural backwater) they were trying to conquer the Greeks just as they'd conquered countless other civilizations. Same thing with the Ottomans. Before they even set eyes on Europe, they had spent centuries conquering the east.

Not to mention the fact that the ancient Greeks and the other great Mediterranean civilizations of Europe would've seen themselves as being far closer in terms of culture, belief, and stature to the people of the Middle East and North Africa than to the rest of 'the West.'

As for the 'Arabs won't buy your stuff', I don't know what you mean by this. Pretty much all the Arab states are huge trading partners with Western countries.

"Mild"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund

They're a death cult that worships suicide bombers like they're rock stars.

Is that seriously your idea of "mild"?

Yes, pretty mild compared to what the Israelis do. Jewish terrorists are widely venerated. Baruch Goldstein (a foreign invader from Brooklyn, interesting enough) killed 29 and injured nearly 130 goys. The guy's grave is literally a pilgrimage site for Jews. Hundreds of thousands visited before it was demolished.

Like I said, it's all propaganda. The slightest thing a Palestinian does wrong is immediately broadcast to the world, but mainstream Israeli politicians quoting the bible and preaching genocide are glossed over.

 

[Malodorous Merkin]

Israel's been at war since it's inception because they decided to establish a country in land that people were already living in. If a bunch of Jews decided they wanted to establish Montana as their mythical homeland, do you think Americans would let me?

No, we'd beat the shit out of them so bad the holocaust would look like a walk in the park.

Palestine is *no threat* to us whatsoever. Palestinian terrorist groups are entirely localized - with a few exceptions - to the Levant. With the exception of Iran, all of Palestine's allies are also US allies. So I'm not sure what you mean by this. Meanwhile, Israel exerts a ridiculous amount of influence on our government.

Not sure where you're going with the 'East vs West' thing either. Virtually every great power has tried to conquer vast swathes of land. The Greeks, Macedonians, Romans, and Byzantines all tried to conquer large parts of the Middle East. The Persians weren't trying to conquer Europe (which was largely an economic, social, and cultural backwater) they were trying to conquer the Greeks just as they'd conquered countless other civilizations. Same thing with the Ottomans. Before they even set eyes on Europe, they had spent centuries conquering the east.

Not to mention the fact that the ancient Greeks and the other great Mediterranean civilizations of Europe would've seen themselves as being far closer in terms of culture, belief, and stature to the people of the Middle East and North Africa than to the rest of 'the West.'

As for the 'Arabs won't buy your stuff', I don't know what you mean by this. Pretty much all the Arab states are huge trading partners with Western countries.



Yes, pretty mild compared to what the Israelis do. Jewish terrorists are widely venerated. Baruch Goldstein (a foreign invader from Brooklyn, interesting enough) killed 29 and injured nearly 130 goys. The guy's grave is literally a pilgrimage site for Jews. Hundreds of thousands visited before it was demolished.

Like I said, it's all propaganda. The slightest thing a Palestinian does wrong is immediately broadcast to the world, but mainstream Israeli politicians quoting the bible and preaching genocide are glossed over.

How much reward money was Baruch Goldstein's family awarded by the Israeli government?

How much reward money does Israel pay the families of Jewish suicide bombers? What's the going rate?

 

[Dreamland]

I miss the "I don't care about jooz and sandpeople fighting over a sandbox" option.

 

[soy_king]

Israel's been at war since it's inception because they decided to establish a country in land that people were already living in. If a bunch of Jews decided they wanted to establish Montana as their mythical homeland, do you think Americans would let me?

No, we'd beat the shit out of them so bad the holocaust would look like a walk in the park.

You do realize that Jewish presence in the area predates the Palestinian Arabs, right? I know the Waqf and PNA has been systematically attempting to erase Jewish archaeological evidence, but it doesn't make it any less true that Jews are the indigenous people of the area.

Palestine is *no threat* to us whatsoever. Palestinian terrorist groups are entirely localized - with a few exceptions - to the Levant. With the exception of Iran, all of Palestine's allies are also US allies. So I'm not sure what you mean by this. Meanwhile, Israel exerts a ridiculous amount of influence on our government.

Not sure where you're going with the 'East vs West' thing either. Virtually every great power has tried to conquer vast swathes of land. The Greeks, Macedonians, Romans, and Byzantines all tried to conquer large parts of the Middle East. The Persians weren't trying to conquer Europe (which was largely an economic, social, and cultural backwater) they were trying to conquer the Greeks just as they'd conquered countless other civilizations. Same thing with the Ottomans. Before they even set eyes on Europe, they had spent centuries conquering the east.

By focusing solely on Palestine, you neglect to mention the fact that Israel acts as a counterweight to Anti-American regimes in the region since at least 1956. They helped contain the advance of Pro-Soviet Pan Arabist regimes, destroyed Saddam's nuclear facilities, and are currently sabotaging Iranian attempts at nuclear proliferation and regional expansion. Also, the slew of terrorist acts committed by Palestinians on civilians should be reason enough not to support them.

Yes, pretty mild compared to what the Israelis do. Jewish terrorists are widely venerated. Baruch Goldstein (a foreign invader from Brooklyn, interesting enough) killed 29 and injured nearly 130 goys. The guy's grave is literally a pilgrimage site for Jews. Hundreds of thousands visited before it was demolished.

Like I said, it's all propaganda. The slightest thing a Palestinian does wrong is immediately broadcast to the world, but mainstream Israeli politicians quoting the bible and preaching genocide are glossed over.

Foreign invaders? You were just talking about right of conquest, or is that only acceptable for brown people to do?

Also, would you consider the throwing of a disabled elderly Jewish man off a cruise liner into the ocean mild? What about the Islamization of the Gaza Strip, or the lynching of Israeli soldiers? What about the deliberate placement of military personnel in civilian areas, and then threatening civilians with death if they attempt to leave after being warned to evacuate? Where exactly are the tribunals by the PNA against Palestinians who commit war crimes against Jews?

 

[Chiang Kai-shek]

We wouldnt tolerate it if any other country in the world became a theocratic ethnostate and began to occupy the territory of its neighbours.
Why should Israel get a pass?

We do actually, it’s called Morocco and they’re one of our allies.

 

[Donald Trump's Neck Vag]

You do realize that Jewish presence in the area predates the Palestinian Arabs, right? I know the Waqf and PNA has been systematically attempting to erase Jewish archaeological evidence, but it doesn't make it any less true that Jews are the indigenous people of the area.



By focusing solely on Palestine, you neglect to mention the fact that Israel acts as a counterweight to Anti-American regimes in the region since at least 1956. They helped contain the advance of Pro-Soviet Pan Arabist regimes, destroyed Saddam's nuclear facilities, and are currently sabotaging Iranian attempts at nuclear proliferation and regional expansion. Also, the slew of terrorist acts committed by Palestinians on civilians should be reason enough not to support them.


Foreign invaders? You were just talking about right of conquest, or is that only acceptable for brown people to do?

Also, would you consider the throwing of a disabled elderly Jewish man off a cruise liner into the ocean mild? What about the Islamization of the Gaza Strip, or the lynching of Israeli soldiers? What about the deliberate placement of military personnel in civilian areas, and then threatening civilians with death if they attempt to leave after being warned to evacuate? Where exactly are the tribunals by the PNA against Palestinians who commit war crimes against Jews?

You have an appropriate username, soy king.

Israel's a shithole. 'Palestinian Arabs' are the native people of the Levant. Just as with virtually every Arab group outside of Arabia, they are descended from native populations who adopted the religion/identity post-conquest. This is the reason why someone from Lebanon doesn't look the same as someone from Saudi Arabia.

Very few Israelis have any actual connection to the Levant. Their population is largely composed of European and North African Jews. Jews certainly have a place there, but not ALL jews.

By your logic, Ethiopians deserve to live in Italy. After all, they're all Christians! And someone from Ethiopia might have an ancestor that was born in the Roman Empire!

America gains no benefit from Israel. If it did, they wouldn't spend billions trying to manipulate us into supporting them. They manipulate us and mock us. It's considered political suicide to even CONSIDER saying a bad word about Israel in America. They're not a 'counterweight' to anything. The vast majority of Israel's neighbors are backed and funded by America. Those that are anti-American are anti-American BECAUSE of the US's ludicrous support of the Jewish ethnostate.

Let's not even touch on the fact that the Jewish religion itself is a horrible, supremacist death cult from which Islam derived its worst ideas.

TL;DR Nuke the kikes

 

[soy_king]

We do actually, it’s called Morocco and they’re one of our allies.

Also Turkey for that matter.

In any case, @Donald Trump's Neck Vag is overblowing the terror of theocracy. Theocratic states are no worse than any authoritarian/totalitarian regime, including Communism, Fascism, etc. Religion is simply an ideology with a supernatural component.

You have an appropriate username, soy king.

Israel's a shithole. 'Palestinian Arabs' are the native people of the Levant. Just as with virtually every Arab group outside of Arabia, they are descended from native populations who adopted the religion/identity post-conquest. This is the reason why someone from Lebanon doesn't look the same as someone from Saudi Arabia.

As is yours.

Israel's a much better country than any of the Arab nations in terms of human rights, and is loads wealthier than any Arab nation without oil. Arabs aren't native to any area outside of the Arabian Peninsula, and the Arab populations of the rest of the Middle East are the descendants of the conquered people and the conquerors, so a significant portion of their origin is from the Arabian Peninsula.

Very few Israelis have any actual connection to the Levant. Their population is largely composed of European and North African Jews. Jews certainly have a place there, but not ALL jews.

By your logic, Ethiopians deserve to live in Italy. After all, they're all Christians! And someone from Ethiopia might have an ancestor that was born in the Roman Empire!

You're conflating a religious group with an ethnoreligious group. Archaeogenetics and historical records clearly establish that the diaspora have a strong connection to the area.

America gains no benefit from Israel. If it did, they wouldn't spend billions trying to manipulate us into supporting them. They manipulate us and mock us. It's considered political suicide to even CONSIDER saying a bad word about Israel in America. They're not a 'counterweight' to anything. The vast majority of Israel's neighbors are backed and funded by America. Those that are anti-American are anti-American BECAUSE of the US's ludicrous support of the Jewish ethnostate.

Let's not even touch on the fact that the Jewish religion itself is a horrible, supremacist death cult from which Islam derived its worst ideas.

TL;DR Nuke the kikes

Besides the containment of Anti-American regimes, Israel provides a strong cooperative economy with a powerful service economy that has strong ties to America. The Arabs, on the other hand, provide Petroleum, radicalization, and that's about it.

Tell me, where in Judaism does it say that a man can have four wives, or that a woman's testimony is worth half of a man's? Also, no one here is talking about the religion, so including that in the discussion is irrelevant at best. Not all Jews are religious, and cumulatively, Jews have provided more for the world than Arabs (or Islam) ever have.

 

[AF 802]

I unironically support Israel, only to show liberals who support violent idiots (radical Islamists) who blow themselves up to troll Jewtards, ignoring actual things that happen. Plus Israel already has decent treatment of Arabs already in the country from what I understand.

Plus I don't want to be on the side of people who do autistic screeching any time a Western company wants to do business in that country. Who cares if they do business there?

 

[ProgKing of the North]

I don't want to be on the side of people who do autistic screeching any time a Western company wants to do business in that country. Who cares if they do business there?

This is a valid point, but on the other hand the actual US government autistically screeches over people not wanting to do business there.

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

America gains no benefit from Israel.

Israel is one of the world leaders in science and technology, with it's share of scientific publications far outweighing it's share of the world population. They spend more on research and development as a percentage of GDP than any other country in the world, have more scientists per 1000 employees than any other country, and boast one of the highest rates of new patents per capita (The WIPO's Global Innovation Index ranks Israel 17th place, which is pretty remarkable, considering the country only has a population of 8.7 million people).

Do you not think Americans benefit from that?

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

While I don't outright hate the existence of Israel, as it's a nice containment area for the yids, I will say that the Gaza Strip would make for a nice glass parking lot.

I'm tired of my country being their bodyguard. I'm tired of giving them enough foreign aid PER YEAR to be able to pay for ten Beaner Walls, when they have their own Nuclear Arsenal. I'm tired of U.S. taxpayers giving more money to keep Israel alive, than Israeli taxpayers shell out.

I'm tired of 1/4 of the U.S. Senate being made up of Israeli-U.S. Dual Citizens, when they're 1.4% of the U.S. population. I'm tired of them deliberately destabilizing the rest of the Middle East, for instance, by funding ISIS, so that they have an excuse to expand their already ill-gotten landmass. I'm tired of Zionism. I'm tired of Globalism. I'm tired of them trying to influence the world. I'm tired of a new legislation being attempted every year to make it illegal, as an American, to vocally boycott Israeli goods and services. NOPE NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST THERE YOU FILTHY ANTI-SEMITE.

And above all, I'm really fucking tired of the god damned Jews. I'll make no bones about my disdain for them. They should either stay in Israel, or bake for 350 degrees, on either side, or until golden brown. I know more about these fucking people than I've ever wanted to know, and the more I learn about them (from their own sources!), the more I grow to despise them. The Jews are like Jihadis if they were better at hiding their intentions behind genocide. I don't care if they have one of the best hospitals in the world. It's not my fucking hospital. Of course, not every Jew is this fucking shitty, but most of them are, and the ones from Israel tend to be, and boy howdy do they love coming to America for some fucking reason.



Oh and don't forget to press F to pay respects to the 600 billion dead yarmulkes. Lest we forget all about their storied history of usury and subversion.

 

[soy_king]

While I don't outright hate the existence of Israel, as it's a nice containment area for the yids, I will say that the Gaza Strip would make for a nice glass parking lot.

I'm tired of my country being their bodyguard. I'm tired of giving them enough foreign aid PER YEAR to be able to pay for ten Beaner Walls, when they have their own Nuclear Arsenal. I'm tired of U.S. taxpayers giving more money to keep Israel alive, than Israeli taxpayers shell out.

I'm tired of 1/4 of the U.S. Senate being made up of Israeli-U.S. Dual Citizens, when they're 1.4% of the U.S. population. I'm tired of them deliberately destabilizing the rest of the Middle East, for instance, by funding ISIS, so that they have an excuse to expand their already ill-gotten landmass. I'm tired of Zionism. I'm tired of Globalism. I'm tired of them trying to influence the world. I'm tired of a new legislation being attempted every year to make it illegal, as an American, to vocally boycott Israeli goods and services. NOPE NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST THERE YOU FILTHY ANTI-SEMITE.

And above all, I'm really fucking tired of the god damned Jews. I'll make no bones about my disdain for them. They should either stay in Israel, or bake for 350 degrees, on either side, or until golden brown. I know more about these fucking people than I've ever wanted to know, and the more I learn about them (from their own sources!), the more I grow to despise them. The Jews are like Jihadis if they were better at hiding their intentions behind genocide. I don't care if they have one of the best hospitals in the world. It's not my fucking hospital. Of course, not every Jew is this fucking shitty, but most of them are, and the ones from Israel tend to be, and boy howdy do they love coming to America for some fucking reason.



Oh and don't forget to press F to pay respects to the 600 billion dead yarmulkes. Lest we forget all about their storied history of usury and subversion.

You're not really doing anything for anti semites by showing how utterly dumb and uninformed they are if you're at all an average representation.

This isn't really for your exceptional ass, but here's what you got wrong:

1. We give $3 billion per year to Israel, which by treaty must be used to purchase US-made weapons. Trump has stated the Wall would cost $ 5 billion. In comparison, Afghanistan receives about $5.7 billion a year, and Iraq receives $3.6 billion a year.
2. Israel's budget for 2017 was about $300 billion. Considering that they only receive $3 billion, that would mean Israeli citizens pay 99% of their budget.
3. Being Jewish doesn't automatically make you an Israeli citizen. It makes you ELIGIBLE for Israeli citizenship, and nowhere has it been presented that EVERY Jewish member of Congress is a dual citizen.
4. Israel doesn't fund ISIS. If you're pissed about that, you should be more furious about the Gulf Arab and Saudi donors from whom ISIS receives funding, who also cower behind the American Shield. Wait, no outrage there? I'm absolutely shocked.

You should probably stop imbibing so much from the conspiracy well. Jews to White Supremacists are like the White Man to Black Supremacists. It's one of the lulziest things I've ever seen. Not every Jewish person (actually most) aren't overwhelmingly religious, and the point of the Talmud isn't that it all needs to be followed to the letter; it's a collection of rabbinical interpretations of religious texts, much like the way common law works in the US. Second, a lot of the "Talmudic tracts" lorded by persons like yourself are fake.