Who was the worst US President? - In your opinion, who was the worst US President?

Who was the worst US President?


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... every personal freedom we take for granted over here.
Slightly off topic, I know, butI keep seeing arguments like this in the grand US vs Everyone Else debate that powers the Internet, and aside from gun ownership and hate speech, I legitimately don't know what freedoms it is you're referring to. Would you care to enlighten me?
 
Lmao at the Nixon option. What was the worst thing he did? Spy on his enemies? The last three presidents have spied on the entire damn country. Is that what Nixon's problem was? He didn't spy equally?

The dude is probably spinning in his grave jowls a gobbling reeing 'You motherfuckers impeached ME for this and now you do NOTHING'
 
I'd say either Lincoln or JFK, they both said they'd serve a full term.

Seriously though I'm not an American so I have limited knowledge on the subject but it seems to me GWB was the worst in recent years. Much as I like him as a person between Iraq 2: Electrocuted Hussienabu, no child left behind, and his economic policy Bush was a pretty bad president. I grant you Bush held office in one of the hardest times to do so since the civil war given the dot com bust, 9/11 and the 2007 recession all happened while he was in office but his overall performance left a lot to be desired.

That's exactly how you tell a great leader from a shit one. A great leader rises up to those challenges and conquers them, leaving things on the way to being better than before. A shit leader does the opposite. Bush was a textbook definition of a shit leader, and if there's a Civil War II or the downfall of the US in the next fifty years Bush will be the man blamed for leading the country down the path. And he's pretty shit for that guy really but at least he's memorable unlike Millard Fillmore or Franklin Pierce (both of whom were shit and should be glad are remembered only for being forgotten).
 
Slightly off topic, I know, butI keep seeing arguments like this in the grand US vs Everyone Else debate that powers the Internet, and aside from gun ownership and hate speech, I legitimately don't know what freedoms it is you're referring to. Would you care to enlighten me?
Oh. Well gun ownership and "Hate speech" are really big ones. We have the freedom (for now at least) from some foreign bureaucrat who just happens to get large donations from french billionaires declaring our honest opinions hate speech, and having our government enforce said foreign bureaucrat's ban on our honest opinions.
The gun ownership helps with the other part, at least theoretically. The idea being, if one of our officials starts putting the foreign bureaucrat's interests ahead of ours, and attempts to enforce them, a small number of armed government forces can't force a large number of armed citizens to just go along with it.

So, for example, in my country, at the moment, even if some dude in Brussels doesn't think I should be able to say anything bad about Soros, because if I do I might say something antisemetic, I still can. I can say George Soros has undue influence over the politics in my country, and no matter how mad it makes that dude in brussels, I'm not gonna get arrested for it. Even if some people say that statement is really a dogwhistle to antisemite nazis. Hell, even if I fully intended it to be so, and stated it outright, the government still can't do shit to me about it.

Now, you might wonder, what value is there to being allowed to say antisemitic stuff, or racist stuff. My answer is that it's really easy to label anything the people you don't like say as "Racist", especially where even straightforward dictionary definitions currently count as bigoted.

And every other country in the world is utterly dependent on the US, and its horrible, horrible freedoms. That hateful speech overthrew monarchy in the first world, and established democracy, along with those evil guns. Those evil guns continue to allow the rest of the free world to spend their resources keeping their people alive and devising stupider and stupider purity tests to administer to their citizens, instead of militaries running those countries.
 
Slightly off topic, I know, butI keep seeing arguments like this in the grand US vs Everyone Else debate that powers the Internet, and aside from gun ownership and hate speech, I legitimately don't know what freedoms it is you're referring to. Would you care to enlighten me?

By "hate speech" I assume you mean anything that the current government doesn't like, because it is all considered hate speech.

And yes, that freedom is a pretty big one.
 
By "hate speech" I assume you mean anything that the current government doesn't like, because it is all considered hate speech.

And yes, that freedom is a pretty big one.
TBH, in England it's only really been applied when someone's trying to incite violence. Scotland's the one that went full retard WRT Dankula.

:edit: @Corbin Dallas Multipass - don't assume that I've got a problem with guns, because I don't. I have a problem with idiots misusing guns, but I imagine that your opinions and mine would largely align in that regard - it's not the tool being held, but the tool doing the holding that's the problem there. As for the government oppressing the people, well - we had our last civil war a century prior to the USA's formation, so it's safe to say that as a nation we're either too entrenched or too complacent to bother with another one. It's not impossible to acquire firearms over here, it was just never anywhere near as popular, so there wasn't a huge ruckus when most of the guns were destroyed/impounded post-Dunblane.
 
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You gotta be shittin me.
Well, gag orders and superinjunctions have proven to be largely ineffectual, so I don't really count those as limitations that are worth a damn. They're also primarily designed to try and curb the UK's borderline rabid tabloid press, not the guy on the street.

If you're going to cite the Yaxley-Lennon thing, he knew full well what he was doing directly contravened the terms of his suspended sentence, and also that his attempt at 'reportage' would affect the outcome of a high profile trial.

Hate speech is a weird one: it's largely down to the arresting copper's discretion, because the legal wording is vague at best.

I'm extremely unlikely to get arrested for saying what I think to a crowd in a public place, unless it specifically involves inciting said crowd to inflict harm on a group of people or person - it's not the totalitarian level of social repression that you seem to think it is. If anything, it's more likely that I'd get told something along the lines of "wind it in, mate" by a copper than get cuffed by him.
 
Well, gag orders and superinjunctions have proven to be largely ineffectual, so I don't really count those as limitations that are worth a damn. They're also primarily designed to try and curb the UK's borderline rabid tabloid press, not the guy on the street.

If you're going to cite the Yaxley-Lennon thing, he knew full well what he was doing directly contravened the terms of his suspended sentence, and also that his attempt at 'reportage' would affect the outcome of a high profile trial.

Hate speech is a weird one: it's largely down to the arresting copper's discretion, because the legal wording is vague at best.

I'm extremely unlikely to get arrested for saying what I think to a crowd in a public place, unless it specifically involves inciting said crowd to inflict harm on a group of people or person - it's not the totalitarian level of social repression that you seem to think it is. If anything, it's more likely that I'd get told something along the lines of "wind it in, mate" by a copper than get cuffed by him.

A few years back the cops in London threatened to arrest some guy for saying Scientology is a cult.
 
A few years back the cops in London threatened to arrest some guy for saying Scientology is a cult.
If he wasn't actually arrested at the end of the interaction, then all it amounted to was words, so it's a bit of a moot comparison. Either way - even if he had been arrested, what would the charge have been? It certainly wouldn't have been hate speech, since he wasn't calling for all scientologists to be strung up.
 
Just to toss out some redeeming characteristics for some of the usual assumed crappy presidents before I get to my pick for the worst:


Harding: He was a fuckup in the sense he had a shitty judgment of character when it came to his subordinates. His actual record aside from his terrible judgment in friends is actually decent if not outstanding, given he did a good job trying to fix the domestic economic pit Wilson left the US in due to WWI. He was one of the few pre-Great Depression Presidents to try and make the farming sector not suck so much, and while he didn't live long enough to do much about it, he denounced racism pretty hard.


Ford: Pardoning Nixon was a good move, Nixon's acceptance confirmed he was guilty as shit without dragging on hearings for years. His attempts to fix the economy weren't all that great, but at least he tried.


Carter: His foreign policy was highminded, but honestly, imploded on itself most of the time. Trying deal with countries on a moral basis when that just makes them think you are weak backfired hard, and Castro trolled him hard by dumping his lunatics and criminals on us. Have to give him credit for at least coming much farther than anyone else to getting peace for Israel implemented, not exactly his fault everyone else involved didn't want to play ball.


Wilson: He was a massive bigot, an authoritarian douchecanoe, and the League of Nations bullshit was the most autistic shit ever. On the positive side of the ledger, at least during his first term he did shore up the domestic front pretty decently, and he was fairly competent in his handling of World War I, he just sucked absolute ass in the aftermath.

@Save the Loli - Zimmerman telegram was actually real, but it's importance was pretty overstated, Mexico told the Germans to shove it, but Wilson used it as part of his excuse along with the resumption of unrestricted submarine warfare to get Congress to declare war. I consider WWI a net positive economically for the U.S, it completely negated any credit deficit with Europe for quite some time.


Nixon: When you remove Watergate from the equation, he did a decent job trying to keep the economy from falling in on itself for awhile and his foreign policy based on realpolitik was pretty effective.


Grant: Yes, he proved far less competent than everyone thought, even if you liked him as a human being. On the good side, he fought tooth and nail to keep the era of Jim Crow at bay while he was in office. And while a lot of corrupt shit happened during his presidency, he was never personally involved, he just had Harding's problem of judging friends poorly and some crap, like the Credit Mobilier affair, had nothing to do with him, he got the blame anyway.


L.B. Johnson: Vietnam was a shitshow, no question. The Great Society program was certainly overambitious and the welfare state he helped set up was dumbass in hindsight, though some good laws like road safety regulations were born of that period at least.



Now that I covered them, I'd say both Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan share the "worst president crown".

In Buchanan's defense, he was handed an absolutely terrible situation, but he proceeded to handle it in the most stupid manner possible, to the point his last few months in office he proved so inept he was practically helping the proto-Confederancy.

Andrew Johnson is his post-war counterpart, promptly running any attempt at fixing shit into the ground just so he could slake his own ego, to the point that jackass set about inflaming tensions Lincoln knew he'd have to settle down after the war if he wanted the South to play ball again, which resulted in the absolute shitshow Reconstruction was.
 
If he wasn't actually arrested at the end of the interaction, then all it amounted to was words, so it's a bit of a moot comparison. Either way - even if he had been arrested, what would the charge have been? It certainly wouldn't have been hate speech, since he wasn't calling for all scientologists to be strung up.

Only because he stopped doing what they threatened him over, and they only decided not to prosecute after it became international news.

So, yeah, if they say "quit speaking or we'll arrest you and prosecute you" and you stop, they might not. Sometimes. At least if they get embarrassing news coverage for shielding a notoriously criminal organization.
 
Don't know why he filled his cabinet with dad's hunting buddies then.
That's how dynasty politics work. Just be glad that we got over the main warlord dying in a "hunting accident" like back when this kind of thing was first popularized in the west.

The roots of the Far-Right and the Far-Left in the USA were caused from him.
I'm sure it looks that way if you're too young to actually be allowed to post on this site but ideologies are a lot older than the moment you became aware they existed and decided you understood them perfectly.
 
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The roots of the Far-Right and the Far-Left in the USA were caused from him.

That we see today in the US you mean, with the constant tard battles between antifa and the Proud Boys/Kekistanis/Oathkeepers right?

Personally I'd go back to Clinton somewhat too since you can trace a line from some elements of the modern American far-right back through some elements of the Tea Party and from there to the militia movement. Actual neo-Nazis and classic white nationalists and other racist types who mostly have their roots in opposing the civil rights movement joined in soon. But most of the alleged far-right are just internet trolls not actually involved in anything except pissing people off.

The far-left, at least today's, seems to have started with Occupy Wall Street once it turned into pot-fueled hippie drum circles, progressive stacks, and hobos shooting up drugs. It then cannibalized what was left of the Bush opposition, from your anti-war types to your new atheists/anti-religious right people (killing that community for good with Atheism+ and Islamophilia) to your environmentalist types to your feminists to gay rights activists. Antifa started in the punk scene but mostly did nothing more political than beat up racist punks or get involved in crime like antifa gang FSU, although they were always there and notably started a riot at the WTO protests in 2000. What unites them is a current of far-left college professors going back to the 60s anti-Vietnam War movement. They've coopted older leftist groups like the SPUSA and IWW but that's just simple entryism into almost dead groups.

But the cultural and economic conditions since Bush are definitely the main reason why there's been such a resurgence of both of them.

The only thing you could maybe say Bush 2 started was the religious right as a political force, at least this latest time. The far right and far left have existed long, long before he was born.

Bush 2 was their dying gasp, after Obama won they mostly folded into the Tea Party and other conservative groups.
 
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