Rugged Individualism, Libertarianism, and Social Darwinism

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a libertarian extreme (ie no taxes, little to no governance, no regulations) is just like a communist extreme - in theory, they'd work but since humans are humans they wouldn't at all. In a perfect world where humans arent dumbasss or pieces of shit maybe but thats why it's considered a utopian idea; it's not possible.

And if you want to get technical we already almost had a libertarian society in early America but we got rid of that because factories hired 4 year olds to work 19 hour a day shifts for scraps and then sold contaminated food with fingers and shit in it.
 
lmao all these roadcucks defending having the government's fist 3 feet up their ass.
>but muh ineffective social programs and constant police state monitoring providing me the illusion of security
 
I used to be a libertarian until I found out that women and minorities vote disproportionately for my money to be taken. I'm not a libertarian anymore.
 
That isn't entirely correct. The Libertarian Utopia is more an oxymoron than anything. The ideal of Libertarianism, however, is similar enough to classical liberalism that pre-WWII United States would be more or less a manifestation of it, because at least then you had the option of ignoring the law in rural areas and getting away with it most of the time.

Or you could just go buy some land out in the middle of nowhere right now, if you want. Nobody's going to stop you from doing your gay marijuana enema while shooting guns there.
 
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A utopia is next to impossible to achieve due to the human element. If we one day invent a chip that would did most of the human vices of a person, it might be possible. That's it we can invent such chip. If not, all we can do is try to ma k our life on earth a bit better at a time.
 
polonium dijo:
A lot of the same institutions that exist in Clown World would exist in Libertarian World, except dealing with them would be voluntary. You'd have a choice of contractors to empty the bins at your house, rather than the local government demanding money off you so that they could do it. You'd pick the company that would provide the best service at the best price, and maybe whole streets or towns would club together to negotiate a better price for a bulk deal or something, and appoint some people to manage the contract, and then you've got what looks like a town council except that nobody is forced to deal with it. That would be my libertarian utopia.
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I live in a city, but it has a decent amount of private ways, which are roads owned by the people who live on them. The city is 0% responsible for upkeep of those roads. You know what they're like? Terrible! Full of potholes! Sometimes they're made of gravel, or occasionally dirt, in a major metropolitan area. Because people don't want to pay for it.

Nice things are expensive. Even if you get rid of their property tax bills, I'm not sure how citizens, even citizens banding together, are going to be able to afford all that stuff. Garbage pick up, sure, that's not that bad. But roads and street lights and water? Unless they start charging membership fees, which winds up being basically taxes and then you just have a town and a Board of Selectmen. At least the coppers won't be going down to the bowling alley to round up people to make quorum in Libertarian World.
 
Honestly a 100% Libertarian society would obviously be chaos as there wouldn't be any structure like roads, police, fire department, sewers,etc... for public use, however as one myself there is a possible way forward. I honestly believe that government must be as effective as possible at smaller sizes as bureaucracy can get overwhelming, bloated, corrupt, and grind things to a standstill with the machinations of the bureaucracy requiring bureaucracy to keep it going. If the Libertarian way was to be sold to the public, it would have to be sold as these services are defending the free market as without them, we have none. Another grind of have with some libertarians is much like Social Democrats, they are too inwardly focused and neglect the burden of maintaining world dominance like the United States. Fortunately, I believe that Generation Z is going to have a nice mix of moderate Libertarian values wanting as free social society and as free market as humanly possible within reason and put value into protecting what our forefathers before us built.
 
Kyria the Great dijo:
the mercenary deathsquads silly.
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Sounds kind of incompatible with the Non Aggression Principle.

odius dijo:
A militia composed entirely of individuals banding together of their own free will to enforce the NAP, just as Ayn Rand intended
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Ah, a lynch mob. I love libertarianism. They always have these wonderful scenarios where, for some reason, the statists don't defend themselves or hire their own mercenaries.
 
AnOminous dijo:
Sounds kind of incompatible with the Non Aggression Principle.



Ah, a lynch mob. I love libertarianism. They always have these wonderful scenarios where, for some reason, the statists don't defend themselves or hire their own mercenaries.
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Well you aren't dealing with a limpdick Ancap as in my book they are weak and fail to see the bigger picture in at least some degree of structure.
 
Beaniebon dijo:
a libertarian extreme (ie no taxes, little to no governance, no regulations) is just like a communist extreme - in theory, they'd work but since humans are humans they wouldn't at all. In a perfect world where humans arent dumbasss or pieces of shit maybe but thats why it's considered a utopian idea; it's not possible..
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This reminds me of an episode of Duckman where robots try to create a utopia based on the concerns of the average guy and it eventually falls apart. It brings up a good point that due to humanity's own foibles the perfect world for them is an imperfect world.
 
I've noticed a number of stunch Libertarians have this kind of bipolar view of the world that you either have this anarchist or super-minimalist utopia with very few rules (no regulations for businesses) or its a super government dominated one with no freedoms. I was looking at Computing Forever's latest video (I watch his How is This a Thing? segments for the stupid.) where he believed that pretty much people demanding a speed limit on a dangerous road is a slippery slope to having the government gain too much freedom-stealing power.

For every good point and legit warning they have, a number of them miss the mark.
 
My primary critiques of libertarian utopia is that the power you deny the government will quickly be accumulated into other bodies of power such as corporations, local strongmen or even crime lords. Power doesnt dissolve it simply commutes to somewhere else.
You genrally want to get a balance in centralized vs decentralized which is where I relate to them but sadly the power dyanimic just seems to line the local up for a dicking at the hands of the 21st century equivalent of a feudal overlord who the king can't control.
 
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Emperor Julian dijo:
My primary critiques of libertarian utopia is that the power you deny the government will quickly be accumulated into other bodies of power such as corporations, local strongmen or evem crime lords. Power doesnt dissolve is simply commutes to somewhere else.
You genrally want to get a balance in centralized vs decentralized which is where I relate to them but sadly the power dyanimic just seems to line the local up for a dicking at the hands of the 21st century equivalent of a feudal overlord who the king can't control.
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Their utopia would only work if everyone was a saint. There are people who don't care about "non-aggression principle" (either ignoring it, trying not to get caught or finding a loophole). I also notice occassional aspect of sociopathery in their utopian ideals. Like Rothbard saying its okay to left your infant starve if you don't want to take care of it and or the most level-headed ancap I met (who wasn't ultra naive) said that in an ancap society, someone who has a child prostution business can just be shunned and losing said business would be their punishment.
 
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