Disaster 7 Dead in Australia’s Worst Mass Shooting Since 1996

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/11/world/australia/worst-mass-shooting-margaret-river.html

PERTH, Australia — Seven people, including four children, were found dead from gunshot wounds at a rural property in Western Australia on Friday, the police said, in what appeared to be the country’s worst mass shooting in more than 20 years.

The police were called just after 5 a.m. on Friday to the home of Cynda and Peter Miles in Osmington, a village near the tourist town of Margaret River, 170 miles south of Perth. There they discovered the victims, four adults and three children.

The police have yet to publicly identify the victims. They said they were not pursuing a suspect, but would not cofirm a murder-suicide.

Crime-scene and homicide detectives traveled from Perth to investigate.

South West Superintendent Mick Sutherland, the most senior police officer in the region, said on Friday that the property was a crime scene “and we’ve got to figure out what happened.” He said the police expected to be on the site for up to five days.

“The loss of any life is tragic, but the loss of four children and three adults — this is a significant tragedy,” Chris Dawson, commissioner of the Western Australia Police, said at a news conference. “Police are currently responding to what I can only describe as a horrific incident.”

The deaths represent the worst mass shooting in Australia since 1996, when a gunman killed 35 people in Port Arthur, Tasmania. That event was the catalyst for a significant strengthening of the country’s gun laws.

American proponents of gun control, including former President Barack Obama, often point to Australia’s strict regulations and few mass shootings as a guide to limiting such events in the United States. Experts typically define a mass shooting as the deaths of four people, excluding the gunman, in a single event.

Australia’s previous worst shooting since 1996 took place in 2014, when a farmer shot his wife and three children before killing himself.

According to neighbors and public records, Cynda Miles worked for a local community group. Her daughter Katrina Miles, and her four children, ages 8 to 13, lived on the property. The children were all home-schooled there. A friend of the family, who is in the same home-schooling network, said the children were on the Autism spectrum.

The police said they would identify victims only after next of kin had been notified. Local news media, however, indicated Katrina Miles and her children were among the victims.

Osmington has a population of just 135 and mostly consists of farming properties and vineyards. It is about 12 miles northeast of Margaret River, a popular tourist destination known for its wineries, surfing and natural beauty.
 
But I thought muh buybacks and muh gun control worked. How can I tell Americans how much better Australia is with guns now?
 
It sounds like this is one of those unfortunate cases where a member of a family snaps (probably the father in this case) and ends up killing everyone and then themselves. It has "murder-suicide" written all over it, especially considering that the police said they're not pursuing a suspect.

Also, people here are talking about how Australia's gun control doesn't work, but remember, this is the worst mass-shooting case since 1996, 22 years ago. It's silly to claim that Australia's gun control measures have been a failure, just saying.
 
If only they had been safe within a "No Guns" zone!

Seriously tho, I am wondering if the perp is a farmer. That is the way to get around the no guns law, apparently. Are they saying if it was a shotgun or pistol yet?
 
This is a bog-standard domestic murder. If he didn't use a gun he would have used a hammer. It's clearly not the same thing as when a random spastic shoots as many strangers as possible.

The gun buyback hasn't stopped criminals from shooting each other with guns, and it hasn't stopped the mentally ill from murder-suiciding their entire families. But it's definitely stopped our autistic retards from getting high scores on random strangers.
 
Aussies better start burying their guns I hear a stampede of legislators rushing out the gates!

Wait, these things only happen in America, right?
 
Australia unlike America doesn't have a large gun culture or a Second Amendment, or see gun ownership as a right, so even if America tried to ban guns in the 90s it still wouldn't have worked.

However, they have banned fully automatic guns in the 80s.
You can still get pre 86 stuff. It is far from cheap.

Trust me I own a registered sear.

Sad affair all around someone went nuts and took family out. I'll never understand family destroyers. I guess it's ego based on them or something but I try not to think about how you can tick kill entire family as anything but a scary and abhorrent idea.
 
Australia unlike America doesn't have a large gun culture or a Second Amendment, or see gun ownership as a right, so even if America tried to ban guns in the 90s it still wouldn't have worked.

However, they have banned fully automatic guns in the 80s.
I'd imagine a big reason why Australia doesn't have a gun culture like the US is because unlike the US, they weren't born from a revolution and because they didn't have a big reason to be concerned of anyone going out of their way to invade them up until the 40s with the Japanese.

The biggest domestic threat to them at before then were emus that they had to use goddamn Vickers guns on.
 
Now the media gets to use their dead bodies to push narratives of either "gun control doesn't work" or "we need moar gun control" rather than the reality that this was a tragedy that occurred due to unique and possibly unknowable factors related to those involved.
Just let the living mourn and move on, and the dead rest.
 
Sad affair all around someone went nuts and took family out. I'll never understand family destroyers. I guess it's ego based on them or something but I try not to think about how you can tick kill entire family as anything but a scary and abhorrent idea.

It's a very strange psychology. In a lot of these cases, the murderer views their family not as individuals but as extensions of themselves and/or objects that belong to them. They believe they have the right to do whatever they want to their families, because they don't recognize the family members as individuals who have their own lives and reasons for being. The motivations behind these sorts of murders vary, though. In some cases, it's actually done out of a very warped and fucked-up sense of love. Maybe the person runs into serious financial troubles, or mental health issues, or whatever and decides to kill themselves. They then assume that the most logical and compassionate thing to do would be to kill their family also, because there's no possible way the family will survive without them. It doesn't make any sense to us normal people, but to them it's perfectly logical.
 
It sounds like this is one of those unfortunate cases where a member of a family snaps (probably the father in this case) and ends up killing everyone and then themselves. It has "murder-suicide" written all over it, especially considering that the police said they're not pursuing a suspect.

Also, people here are talking about how Australia's gun control doesn't work, but remember, this is the worst mass-shooting case since 1996, 22 years ago. It's silly to claim that Australia's gun control measures have been a failure, just saying.

It's not even the worst case of family violence. A few years back a women from Queensland snapped and stabbed 8 kids.

http://www.news.com.au/national/que...l/news-story/79f6e1b3af2688f9aaa1edeed70123be

Now the media gets to use their dead bodies to push narratives of either "gun control doesn't work" or "we need moar gun control" rather than the reality that this was a tragedy that occurred due to unique and possibly unknowable factors related to those involved.
Just let the living mourn and move on, and the dead rest.

The media focus is more likely to be on domestic violence and whether this woman had made complaints to the police and the courts about her ex-partner.

I don't know what the current state of play is with enforcement of domestic violence laws in WA, but I guess we're about to find out.
 
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I'd imagine a big reason why Australia doesn't have a gun culture like the US is because unlike the US, they weren't born from a revolution and because they didn't have a big reason to be concerned of anyone going out of their way to invade them up until the 40s with the Japanese.

The biggest domestic threat to them at before then were emus that they had to use goddamn Vickers guns on.
Also, they didn't have to deal with Indians, the French, Spanish/Mexicans, and a civil war. Besides, what's an abo going to do, shoot up a school with a bump stock boomerang?
 
It sounds like this is one of those unfortunate cases where a member of a family snaps (probably the father in this case) and ends up killing everyone and then themselves. It has "murder-suicide" written all over it, especially considering that the police said they're not pursuing a suspect.

Also, people here are talking about how Australia's gun control doesn't work, but remember, this is the worst mass-shooting case since 1996, 22 years ago. It's silly to claim that Australia's gun control measures have been a failure, just saying.
Because mass shootings were happening a lot before then? it's a country that's massive but has a population less than Texas.

Also, they didn't have to deal with Indians, the French, Spanish/Mexicans, and a civil war. Besides, what's an abo going to do, shoot up a school with a bump stock boomerang?
Unless they think the school is like that refinery in mad max, then it's lord humungous mode for the abbos. Otherwise it's nap time in the streets.
 
It looks like the grandfather did it. He and his wife owned the property on which it happened and were both found dead at the property. Police had already said yesterday that it was someone associated with the property who had called them.

https://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com....ound-dead-in-mass-western-australia-/3413031/

These are the other family murders to which it's being compared.

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Also, people here are talking about how Australia's gun control doesn't work, but remember, this is the worst mass-shooting case since 1996, 22 years ago. It's silly to claim that Australia's gun control measures have been a failure, just saying.

They never really had a reputation for often doing this kind of thing anyway. The fact that Americans do says a lot more about Americans than it does about guns.
 
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