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Dog Rough dijo:
Some people are their own worst enemy

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You really think because he slipped on the rope a couple of times that it's the reason he's being held back?
Listen fella, if I've been wrestling for as long as LA Knight has and they didn't even have a full minute to make a botch compilation of me, I would count that as a pretty good career.
Also if I posted my own 50 second long video of a wrestler botching his ass off in just a 2 year span, and I told you that the only reason that I was posting this particular wrestler is because he was holding the WWE title currently.... would you believe me?
 
Lip Glossary dijo:
You really think because he slipped on the rope a couple of times that it's the reason he's being held back?
Listen fella, if I've been wrestling for as long as LA Knight has and they didn't even have a full minute to make a botch compilation of me, I would count that as a pretty good career.
Also if I posted my own 50 second long video of a wrestler botching his ass off in just a 2 year span, and I told you that the only reason that I was posting this particular wrestler is because he was holding the WWE title currently.... would you believe me?
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Do we need to get the spray bottle out?
 
Was Vince's ego as bad a nosemans? Mind you Vince would burn bridges but if it made money he repaired them plus his pet protects would get over (for the most part I mean Austin Theory is shit) vs hgh with declining attendance, burys anyone whose over. Was in the cliq as a bag carrier and designated driver. And married the bosses daughter and caused so many to stop watching raw before Cena came to raw and proved trips in any era isn't he top face
 
This week’s JCW Lunacy goes almost 30 minutes before the first match and has a Bacardi on a pole match, as well as over half of the backstage shit featuring Russo’s shitty acting.

I may need a new remote soon if I keep watching this show, my fast forward button is gonna wear out.
 
Xavier Renegade Angel dijo:
Thank you la knight botches so much that the reason why he never gets pushed. If you can't be safe or reliable working with midcard talent you def can't work with main eventers (ala Randy Orton /Mr kennedy)
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Didn't Kennedy get shit canned because Randy cried about a back suplex? :story:
 
Xavier Renegade Angel dijo:
Was Vince's ego as bad a nosemans? Mind you Vince would burn bridges but if it made money he repaired them plus his pet protects would get over (for the most part I mean Austin Theory is shit) vs hgh with declining attendance, burys anyone whose over. Was in the cliq as a bag carrier and designated driver. And married the bosses daughter and caused so many to stop watching raw before Cena came to raw and proved trips in any era isn't he top face
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Vince has a huge ego but he also was willing to humiliate himself if it was part of the show. He would never have his wrestlers do something that he himself would not do. He also was very good at separating business and personal issues. His saying was "It's just business" and he really meant that
 
Xavier Renegade Angel dijo:
Was Vince's ego as bad a nosemans?
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Yes and No, Vince almost certainly had his vices and biases but Vince was obsessed with his guys being highly charismatic, entertaining, and based around personality and being 6ft+ bodybuilders, he's had some serious misses. He may have been an egomaniac who gave people shitty gimmicks to entertain himself but he ultimately wanted to send crowds home thoroughly entertained. Even when he missed the mark it was at least something to talk about.

Paul wants to LARP as an old-school territory and be all about the ring work, he could give a fuck about most anything else. Because I guess he thinks the best way forward is trying to pretend pro wrestling is a legitimate sport. Noseman apparently can't go all in (pun intended) on that because he has bosses he answers to. God only knows what that'd look like but I could definitely see him running Gargano vs. Gunther as a WrestleMania main event if he could.
 
Tyronneasaurus Rex dijo:
Yes and No, Vince almost certainly had his vices and biases but Vince was obsessed with his guys being highly charismatic, entertaining, and based around personality and being 6ft+ bodybuilders, he's had some serious misses. He may have been an egomaniac who gave people shitty gimmicks to entertain himself but he ultimately wanted to send crowds home thoroughly entertained. Even when he missed the mark it was at least something to talk about.

Paul wants to LARP as an old-school territory and be all about the ring work, he could give a fuck about most anything else. Because I guess he thinks the best way forward is trying to pretend pro wrestling is a legitimate sport. Noseman apparently can't go all in (pun intended) on that because he has bosses he answers to. God only knows what that'd look like but I could definitely see him running Gargano vs. Gunther as a WrestleMania main event if he could.
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Vince became increasingly crows-hostile over the years and his heat-based booking philosophy of constantly depriving the fans of their desired payoffs went from simply prolonging tension to actively denying the audience what they wanted to see.

HGH follows the same example, Cody losing his first Mania match is a perfect example. There was no reason for him not to win that one, and it damaged his bond with the crowd.

The moment is the moment, and stringing the crowd along doesn’t work when so many threads got dropped before the payoff over the years.

And nobody who brings back and pushes Nia Jax gives a fuck about ringwork. WWE’s ringwork is nowhere near the level of any other major promotion and only gets worse with their training and recruiting philosophy continuing to bring in non-wrestlers, not teaching them the fundamentals and relying on their obnoxious production to try to paper over the cracks.
 
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Tyronneasaurus Rex dijo:
Yes and No, Vince almost certainly had his vices and biases but Vince was obsessed with his guys being highly charismatic, entertaining, and based around personality and being 6ft+ bodybuilders, he's had some serious misses. He may have been an egomaniac who gave people shitty gimmicks to entertain himself but he ultimately wanted to send crowds home thoroughly entertained. Even when he missed the mark it was at least something to talk about.

Paul wants to LARP as an old-school territory and be all about the ring work, he could give a fuck about most anything else. Because I guess he thinks the best way forward is trying to pretend pro wrestling is a legitimate sport. Noseman apparently can't go all in (pun intended) on that because he has bosses he answers to. God only knows what that'd look like but I could definitely see him running Gargano vs. Gunther as a WrestleMania main event if he could.
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I see he wants to be vern eh lol? Let's emulate promoters that couldn't make money sound strategy. I mean based off merch and tix sales it's working
 
Samuel Fuller dijo:
Vince became increasingly crows-hostile over the years and his heat-based booking philosophy of constantly depriving the fans of their desired payoffs went from simply prolonging tension to actively denying the audience what they wanted to see.

HGH follows the same example, Cody losing his first Mania match is a perfect example. There was no reason for him not to win that one, and it damaged his bond with the crowd.

The moment is the moment, and stringing the crowd along doesn’t work when so many threads got dropped before the payoff over the years.
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Oh I'm not denying neither books out of spite, but IMO we haven't seen HGH truly pull off something especially spiteful towards fans, not yet anyway. It is coming though, I can feel it.
 
Tyronneasaurus Rex dijo:
Oh I'm not denying neither books out of spite, but IMO we haven't seen HGH truly pull off something especially spiteful towards fans, not yet anyway. It is coming though, I can feel it.
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Bringing everything back to the Samoan employment program is spiteful to anyone who likes good booking.
 
Samuel Fuller dijo:
HGH follows the same example, Cody losing his first Mania match is a perfect example. There was no reason for him not to win that one, and it damaged his bond with the crowd.
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That was a Vince decision to have Roman beat Cody at WM 39. Vince was still in charge until one day before the 2024 Royal Rumble when he was finally forced out. So presumably Vince also made the decision to have Cody win the Rumble again. What gets murky is if Rock showing up to take Cody's match against Roman was a Vince plan or Rock quickly took advantage of the situation to insert himself. If Vince had his way, it's entirely possible that Cody would have never finished the story.
 
Kermit the Frog dijo:
That was a Vince decision to have Roman beat Cody at WM 39. Vince was still in charge until one day before the 2024 Royal Rumble when he was finally forced out. So presumably Vince also made the decision to have Cody win the Rumble again. What gets murky is if Rock showing up to take Cody's match against Roman was a Vince plan or Rock quickly took advantage of the situation to insert himself. If Vince had his way, it's entirely possible that Cody would have never finished the story.
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It would be totally consistent with history for Vince to have the grand plan to delay Cody’s victory for a year, then change his mind about things to chase an old-timer coming back to once again tell the fans that today’s guys aren’t on that level, and forever totally kneecap Cody in the eyes of the fans.
 
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