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Trump: North Korea best not make any more threats 4 Hours Ago | 05:03

North Korea said on Wednesday it is "carefully examining" a plan to strike the U.S. Pacific territory of Guam with missiles, just hours after U.S. President Donald Trump told the North that any threat to the United States would be met with "fire and fury".

A spokesman for the Korean People's Army, in a statement carried by the North's state-run KCNA news agency, said the strike plan will be "put into practice in a multi-current and consecutive way any moment" once leader Kim Jong Un makes a decision.

In another statement citing a different military spokesman, North Korea also said it could carry out a pre-emptive operation if the United States showed signs of provocation.

Earlier Pyongyang said it was ready to give Washington a "severe lesson" with its strategic nuclear force in response to any U.S. military action.

Washington has warned it is ready to use force if need be to stop North Korea's ballistic missile and nuclear programs but that it prefers global diplomatic action, including sanctions.

The consequences of any U.S. strike would potentially be catastrophic not only for North Koreans but also South Korea, Japan and the thousands of U.S. military personnel within range of any North Korean retaliatory strikes.

"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen," Trump told reporters at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey.

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Guam is far removed from the U.S. mainland. Credit: Google Maps.

The U.N. Security Council unanimously imposed new sanctions on North Korea on Saturday over its continued missile tests, that could slash the reclusive country's $3 billion annual export revenue by a third.

North Korea has made no secret of plans to develop a nuclear-tipped missile able to strike the United States and has ignored international calls to halt its nuclear and missile programs.

It says its intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) are a legitimate means of defense against perceived U.S. hostility. It has long accused the United States and South Korea of escalating tensions by conducting military drills.

U.S. stocks closed slightly lower after Trumps comment, while a widely followed measure of stock market anxiety ended at its highest in nearly a month. The U.S. dollar index pared gains and the safe-haven yen strengthened against the U.S. currency.

Tensions rise
The United States has remained technically at war with North Korea since the 1950-53 Korean conflict ended in an armistice rather than a peace treaty. The past six decades have been punctuated by periodic rises in antagonism and rhetoric that have always stopped short of a resumption of active hostilities.

Tensions have risen since North Korea carried out two nuclear bomb tests last year and two ICBM tests last month.

The Trump administration's attempts to pressure North Korea into abandoning its nuclear and missile ambitions have so far gained little traction.

U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis has warned of an "effective and overwhelming" response against North Korea if it chose to use nuclear weapons but has said any military solution would be "tragic on an unbelievable scale."

The United States has 28,500 troops in South Korea to guard against the North Korean threat. Japan hosts around 54,000 U.S. military personnel, the U.S. Department of Defense says, and tens of thousands of Americans work in both countries.

Seoul is home to a population of roughly 10 million, within range of massed pre-targeted North Korean rockets and artillery, which would be impossible to destroy in a first U.S. strike.

The Washington Post reported on Tuesday that North Korea has successfully produced a miniaturized nuclear warhead that can fit inside its missiles, according to a confidential U.S. intelligence assessment.

But U.S. intelligence officials told Reuters that while North Korea has accelerated its efforts to design an ICBM, a miniaturized nuclear warhead, and a nosecone robust enough to survive reentry through the Earths atmosphere from space, there is no reliable evidence that it has mastered all three, much less tested and combined them into a weapon capable of hitting targets in the United States.

The bottom line is that its almost impossible, given the amount and reliability of available intelligence, to reach a high-confidence assessment of the Norths nuclear capabilities, a U.S. intelligence official said.

U.S. intelligence officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, also said there is no certainty about the number of nuclear warheads North Korea has assembled, with estimates ranging from 20 to as many as 60 and most experts leaning toward the lower end of that range.

North Korea's ICBM tests last month suggested it was making technical progress, Japan's annual Defence White Paper warned.

"It is conceivable that North Korea's nuclear weapons programme has already considerably advanced and it is possible that North Korea has already achieved the miniaturisation of nuclear weapons and has acquired nuclear warheads," it said.

War of words
On Monday, U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson held the door open for dialogue, saying Washington was willing to talk to Pyongyang if it halted its missile test launches.

Still, he maintained the pressure, urging Thailand on Tuesday for more action against Pyongyang.

Former U.S. diplomat Douglas Paal, now with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace think tank in Washington, said Trump should not get into a war of words with Pyongyang.

It strikes me as an amateurish reflection of a belief that we should give as we get rhetorically. That might be satisfying at one level, but it takes us down into the mud that we should let Pyongyang enjoy alone, said Paal, who served as a White House official under previous Republican administrations.

South Korea reiterated further United Nations resolutions against Pyongyang could follow if it did not pull back.

"North Korea should realize if it doesn't stop its ... provocations, it will face even stronger pressure and sanctions," Defense Ministry spokesman Moon Sang-gyun told a news briefing. "We warn North Korea not to test or misunderstand the will of the South Korea-U.S. alliance."

Lockheed Martin Corp, the Pentagon's No. 1 weapons supplier, said on Tuesday its customers are increasingly asking about missile defense systems.

"The level of dialogue ... is now at the prime minister and minister of defense level," Tim Cahill, the vice president of Lockheed's Air and Missile Defense business, told Reuters.


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The last thing Chairman Xi wants is to have a US military base on China's border (especially given Korea's proximity to Beijing). This would really throw a wrench in his plans to expand China's borders to where they were in pre-colonial times. If Kim does pop off and attack South Korea, I doubt Chairman Xi would be helping the US. If anything, he'd send the PLA in to take care of Kim before the US could mount an effective military response.
What pre-colonial borders? China's legitimate borders are smaller than currently or by irredentist claims from the fragmented Qing Dynasty, even when taking into account centuries of miscegenation and figuring out who's more Chinese or horsefucker.

I'd love to see them try to fuck with Russia over northeastern territorial claims.
 
What pre-colonial borders? China's legitimate borders are smaller than currently or by irredentist claims from the fragmented Qing Dynasty, even when taking into account centuries of miscegenation and figuring out who's more Chinese or horsefucker.

I'd love to see them try to fuck with Russia over northeastern territorial claims.

I doubt they will at this point. They're too busy poking India by building a road in disputed territory that could threaten the Chicken's Neck.
 
What China seriously doesn't want, and is their least desired scenario, is a unified Korea with a border right next to theirs.

They've been reasonably satisfied up until now with this fucked up country next to them that pisses off everyone else that they can get benefits for pretending to sort of kind of keep them in check. The current Fatty is really fucking up that shit, though.

I am pretty sure the Chinese would be satisfied if some situation happened where Good Korea had to absorb a lot of Bad Korea and spend lots of money fixing that shit, while they got their own buffer zone between the two countries, so that they didn't have all of Korea directly bordering them.

I think they'd be a lot happier to have a total puppet government of their own, though, after a systematic massacre of any remotely plausible successor to the Kims.
China's ideal outcome has been for North Korea to reform into a "communist" state resembling themselves or Vietnam. Meaning they would be authoritarian politically but otherwise take part in the international markets and political order. Most importantly, they would be pro-China but would dump all the odd 1950's-communist trappings and would stop going out of their way to agitate the United States and South Korea.

If I were Kim Jong-Un, I would be less worried about the US invading and more worried about dying in an unfortunate car accident and being replaced by some pro-Chinese generals.
 
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If "North Korea" was a real threat they wouldn't they say we're going to nuke Guam, they would of just nuked Guam, and also isn't this like the 3rd time this year that Fatty was going to the nuke the US
 
I doubt they will at this point. They're too busy poking India by building a road in disputed territory that could threaten the Chicken's Neck.
Well I meant hypothetically because of the epic bloodbath which would result. Of course it's not likely while Hu and now Xi have been quite chummy with Putin, contrary to Trump and Putin bromance conspiracies.
 
Now they are announcing plans to start throwing missiles near Guam which need fat boys approval will we see US or Japanese ships finally shooting that shit down mid flight?

I kind of hope so because that would be funny. The Norks giving it the big I am by launching missiles, only for them to get shot down with ease.
 
In the event things get too hot and China did invade NK, I could see them setting up a deal (Trump likes those) with the US and South Korea where SK gets Pongyang as something of a consolation prize while China takes the rest of NK and makes a puppet state out of it. That way South Korea gains a victory by owning North Korea's capital and toppling Kim's seat of power and doesn't have to integrate the entire country, China's buffer remains intact and South Korea doesn't really grow much in power with their only new territory being surrounded on all sides by China-Korea state, and the US/NATO/UN doesn't get involved and turn the peninsula into a slogging bloody war zone.

I don't think we can hope for that to happen with the blind idiot-god Trumpathoth. He doesn't seem to understand any of this. I hope he falls under the sway of one of the generals who seem to be invading the White House currently to try to save America. They might be able to explain it to him in small words and get him to do something like this.
 
Now North Korea is claiming that they will attack Guam in mid August.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40883372
North Korea Guam missile strike plan 'ready by mid-August'
North Korea says a plan that could see it fire four missiles near the US territory of Guam will be ready in a matter of days.

State media said Hwasong-12 rockets would pass over Japan and land in the sea about 30km (17 miles) from Guam, if the plan was approved by Kim Jong-un.

It denounced Donald Trump's warnings of "fire and fury" and said the US leader was "bereft of reason".

The US has warned the North its actions could mean the "end of its regime".

US Defence Secretary Jim Mattis said Pyongyang would be "grossly overmatched" in any war against the US and its allies.

The BBC's Rupert Wingfield-Hayes, who is in Guam, says there is a sense that the North Korean threat is rhetorical, as most people feel that if they really did strike with missiles it would be suicidal for the North Korean regime.

What is the North planning?
The North first announced on Wednesday that it had been drawing up plans for a missile strike against Guam, a Pacific island which is home to US military bases, strategic bombers and about 163,000 people.

A later statement carried by state media said the military would "finally complete the plan" by mid-August and send it to leader Kim Jong-un for his approval.

"The Hwasong-12 rockets to be launched by the KPA [Korean People's Army] will cross the sky above Shimane, Hiroshima and Koichi [Kochi] Prefectures of Japan," state news agency KCNA said, quoting army chief General Kim Rak Gyom.

"They will fly 3,356.7km for 1,065 seconds and hit the waters 30-40km away from Guam."

The Hwasong missiles are North Korea's domestically produced medium and long-range weapons.

What has been the reaction in the region?
The governor of Guam addressed the North's new statement on Thursday, telling Reuters news agency that North Korea usually likes to be unpredictable and has fired surprise missiles in the past.

"They're now telegraphing their punch, which means they don't want to have any misunderstandings. I think that's a position of fear," said Governor Eddie Calvo.

Meanwhile Japanese government spokesman Yoshihide Suga said Pyongyang's actions were "provocative to the region including Japan as well as to the security of the international community".

"We can never tolerate this," he added.

Defence Minister Itsunori Onodera told MPs Japan could legally intercept a North Korean missile headed for Guam because such a move would threaten Japan's existence as a nation.

Recent legislation also allows Japan to defend the US and other allies from attack. Previously Japan's position was only to shoot down missiles headed for its own territory.

South Korea's military said it was prepared for swift action.

"If North Korea conducts provocation in defiance of our military's grave warning, it will confront the strong and firm response of our military and the US-South Korea alliance," Joint Chiefs of Staff spokesman Roh Jae-cheon said.

What have the two sides been saying?
North Korean state media said President Trump's remarks on Tuesday that the North risked "fire and fury" for threatening the US were "a load of nonsense".

"Sound dialogue is not possible with such a guy bereft of reason and only absolute force can work on him," it added.

Amid escalating rhetoric, Mr Mattis issued a strongly worded statement on Wednesday calling on Pyongyang to halt its arms programme.



"The DPRK [Democratic People's Republic of Korea] must choose to stop isolating itself and stand down its pursuit of nuclear weapons," he said.
"While our state department is making every effort to resolve this global threat through diplomatic means, it must be noted that the combined allied militaries now possess the most precise, rehearsed and robust defensive and offensive capabilities on Earth."

Mr Trump boasted about America's atomic arsenal earlier on Wednesday.

Tweeting from New Jersey where he is on holiday, the president said the US nuclear stockpile was "more powerful than ever before".

The tiny but important island of Guam
  • The 541sq km (209 sq miles) volcanic and coral island in the Pacific between the Philippines and Hawaii.
  • It is a "non-incorporated" US territory, with a population of about 163,000.
  • That means people born in Guam are US citizens, have an elected governor and House Representative, but cannot vote for a president in US national elections.
  • US military bases cover about a quarter of the island. About 6,000 personnel are based there and there are plans to move in thousands more.
  • It was a key US base in World War Two, and remains a vital staging post for US operations, giving access to potential flashpoints like the South China Sea, the Koreas and the Taiwan Straits.
Should we be worried?
US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has sought to reassure Americans that North Korea does not pose an imminent threat.

Speaking in Guam, where he was making a scheduled visit, he said he was hopeful a global "pressure campaign" involving Russia and China could lead to new dialogue with Pyongyang "about a different future".

Mr Tillerson said the situation had not dramatically changed over the past few days, and that Americans "should sleep well at night".

South Korea's military says it has not seen any unusual action in the North that might indicate a provocation.

China has urged calm, describing the situation as "complex and sensitive".

Despite rounds of UN sanctions, Pyongyang carried out two nuclear tests last year and two intercontinental ballistic missile tests in July.

Various reports recently have suggested the North has now achieved its goal of making a nuclear warhead small enough to fit inside its missiles.

But this remains unconfirmed, and most analysts doubt the country would launch a pre-emptive attack on the US.
 
Now North Korea is claiming that they will attack Guam in mid August.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40883372

More than likely, Fatty will have some a talk with his den of jackals featuring something like this on the topic of Guam after North Korea has shat itself and done nothing come September.

I remember these old lines from one of the old Three Stooges Nazi parody shorts:

You were gonna Blitz-Kreeg Great Mitten by the middle of August!

...

Then you said, Septober, then Octember, it's now in the middle of Novonder, and we ain't there yet!

Amusingly enough, the timing's right on them.
 
Not Just Guam - North Korea now wants to turn South Korea into "A Sea of Fire".

N.Korea Threatens to Turn S.Korea into 'Sea of Fire'
By Lee Yong-soo

August 09, 2017 09:55
North Korea on Tuesday threatened to turn South Korea into a "sea of fire" in protest against live-fire drills near Yeonpyeong Island.

The official [North] Korean Central News Agency said South Korean "warmongers" carried out military provocations against Pyongyang, which is ready to respond "with its strong firepower at any time."

South Korean Marines conducted live-fire exercises on Yeonpyeong Island in the West Sea, which suffered heavy North Korean artillery fire in 2010.

Marines fired 200 rounds from K-9 self-propelled howitzers and AH-1S Cobra attack helicopters fired rockets and Vulcan machine guns.

The drills are held every three months.

KCNA said the South Korean "provocations" were a response to the "great successes" of North Korea's test launches of the Hwasong-14 intercontinental ballistic missile, which is capable of reaching the U.S. mainland.

I love how this is his idea of a "protest" - to "threaten" to do something.
It must really piss off Unnie Jjong that Seoul sits so close, lights blazing, becoming a world player, while he sits in the dark with his forced prostitutes, a single bowl of rice and knock off missiles. SK is both the sun and the devil for that fat little sunflower.
 
FFS Kim. If you're really this suicidal, just neck yourself already and get it over with.

Military drills doesn't automatically mean "We're going to attack North Korea!" Or at least it shouldn't be.
 
Not Just Guam - North Korea now wants to turn South Korea into "A Sea of Fire".



I love how this is his idea of a "protest" - to "threaten" to do something.
It must really piss off Unnie Jjong that Seoul sits so close, lights blazing, becoming a world player, while he sits in the dark with his forced prostitutes, a single bowl of rice and knock off missiles. SK is both the sun and the devil for that fat little sunflower.

He screams this every year and nothing comes of it.

Put up or shut up Tubs
 
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I don't think we can hope for that to happen with the blind idiot-god Trumpathoth. He doesn't seem to understand any of this.
I've noticed every time somebody says this it turns out later that not only did Trump understand what was going on, he also knew exactly how to make everybody lose their shit over it and cause massive chimpouts.
 
I'm no fan of Trump, but it seems like the entire left is currently loosing their shit over this and blaming Trump and acting like WWIII is definitely happening, despite North Korean saber rattling being a thing that's gone on for decades that has yet to lead to anything other than NK shitting itself and doing nothing. For once I think Trump's fault in something is minimal, because I'm pretty sure NK would be tarding out regardless of who the current US president is. It's what they do.

I wonder where all these people were the last time NK waved its dick around impotently, and all the times they've done it while a dem was in office?
 
I'm no fan of Trump, but it seems like the entire left is currently loosing their shit over this and blaming Trump and acting like WWIII is definitely happening, despite North Korean saber rattling being a thing that's gone on for decades that has yet to lead to anything other than NK shitting itself and doing nothing. For once I think Trump's fault in something is minimal, because I'm pretty sure NK would be tarding out regardless of who the current US president is. It's what they do.

I wonder where all these people were the last time NK waved its dick around impotently, and all the times they've done it while a dem was in office?

The last time the Norks did this was last year, and Obama basically rolled over and gave them food and fuel aid. Trump is (rightly) sick of seeing this happen every year since the collapse of the Soviet Union and isn't taking any shit from them. The Norks are pissed that the gravy train has ended and they're getting some fucking discipline now.
 
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