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Be very thankful the entire cast told Snyder to get fuck when he suggested them going comic accurate with the wardrobe.
Nolan's The Odyssey - Potentially could be epic or an epic flop.
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The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises aka Nolan Batman 2 and 3
In TDK, Batman is used as a third party agent by Gordon and Dent, to among other things, kidnap the Gotham mafia's accountant after he flees to a country with no extradition treaty with the US to avoid arrest. It's also shown that Bruce is dabbling into serious illegal surveillance technology which he ultimately gives to Lucius Fox for safekeeping.
Also, the inciting event that leads to the mafia setting into motion the event that causes Harvey being disfigured and becoming Two Face, is Harvey deciding to use RICO laws and push them to their absolute extreme: pretty much if you were a member of the Gotham Mafia in any shape or form in any way, you were snatched off the street and charged under RICO and forced to stay in jail with no bail. And you were told you either snitch on anyone and everyone you knew and get a reduced sentence or you are basically going away to jail for life even if you were a lowly goon. This ultimately causes the hit to be placed on Harvey and his girlfriend Rachel, with the people carrying out their kidnapping and the placing of the bomb that kills Rachel and disfigured Dent being done by crooked cops (who already hate Dent for being ex IAD) on the mob's payroll who are TERRIFIED of being busted as part of Dent's RICO scheme. And in the end
Dent's RICO scheme is VERY controversial and everyone, save Batman, tell him that he's just asking for a bleeding heart liberal judge to kick him in the balls and dismiss all the charges with prejudice/declare RICO investigations illegal. As well as the fact that it will invite intense scrutiny from defense attorneys and critics, who will look for anything and everything in Harvey's life to try and find a way to discredit him or force him to resign in disgrace in order to stop the RICO prosecutions. So when Harvey goes insane and starts killing people and tries to kill Gordon's kids? Gordon and Batman unilaterally decide to let Batman take the fall for all the murders Harvey did and Batman killing Dent (when he dies fighting Batman) so Dent's successors can continue the RICO indictments and Dent can be made into a saintly martyr and the police's ties with a vigilante publicly severed.
Cut to ten years later and Dark Knight Rises. Dent's death leads to draconian new tough on crime laws being passed by the state government where Gotham is located. Most notably, a law called "Harvey Dent's Law" which straight up abolished bail for ALL CRIMES. Meaning if you got arrested for ANYTHING, no matter how minor, you are fucked and have to rot in jail until trial or you plead guilty and do prison time, as Gotham was now a police state with massive prison overcrowding due to prosecutors going tough on crime to the extreme. The mafia is all but wiped out but Gordon by the start of DKR, regrets everything he has done and even writes out a confession he chickens out on reading during a ceremony celebration on Gotham being a police state dystopia.
Adding to this, is the fact that while crime is down, quality of life is still garbage in Gotham. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer and worse, the elite seem to be immune to being targeted by the new anti crime laws while the white working class live in constant fear of being vanished if they so much as jaywalk. And Nolan's Batman doesn't give a shit about the poor; instead of using the Wayne Foundation to address the severe economic disparity to keep the poor white population from having to turn to crime to survive, he spends the ten year time skip crying about how Rachel was dead and how he was convinced that she was going to dump Dent for him (which Alfred finally has to break down and admit was not true and that he burnt Rachel's final letter to Bryce saying she was going to marry Harvey because Bruce being Batman was a deal breaker).
In the end, Bane recruited his army from people who got fucked over by the police state, people like Catwoman who are accelerationists who want to burn everything to the ground and who basically expose Dent's crimes and Gordon and Batman being in cahoots but can only do so by mass killing people and holding Gotham hostage via a nuclear bomb, cutting Gotham off from the rest of the country and turning it into an even worse hell, as the criminals are all freed to do as they please, while the police are all trapped in the sewers.
Also, the inciting event that leads to the mafia setting into motion the event that causes Harvey being disfigured and becoming Two Face, is Harvey deciding to use RICO laws and push them to their absolute extreme: pretty much if you were a member of the Gotham Mafia in any shape or form in any way, you were snatched off the street and charged under RICO and forced to stay in jail with no bail. And you were told you either snitch on anyone and everyone you knew and get a reduced sentence or you are basically going away to jail for life even if you were a lowly goon. This ultimately causes the hit to be placed on Harvey and his girlfriend Rachel, with the people carrying out their kidnapping and the placing of the bomb that kills Rachel and disfigured Dent being done by crooked cops (who already hate Dent for being ex IAD) on the mob's payroll who are TERRIFIED of being busted as part of Dent's RICO scheme. And in the end
Dent's RICO scheme is VERY controversial and everyone, save Batman, tell him that he's just asking for a bleeding heart liberal judge to kick him in the balls and dismiss all the charges with prejudice/declare RICO investigations illegal. As well as the fact that it will invite intense scrutiny from defense attorneys and critics, who will look for anything and everything in Harvey's life to try and find a way to discredit him or force him to resign in disgrace in order to stop the RICO prosecutions. So when Harvey goes insane and starts killing people and tries to kill Gordon's kids? Gordon and Batman unilaterally decide to let Batman take the fall for all the murders Harvey did and Batman killing Dent (when he dies fighting Batman) so Dent's successors can continue the RICO indictments and Dent can be made into a saintly martyr and the police's ties with a vigilante publicly severed.
Cut to ten years later and Dark Knight Rises. Dent's death leads to draconian new tough on crime laws being passed by the state government where Gotham is located. Most notably, a law called "Harvey Dent's Law" which straight up abolished bail for ALL CRIMES. Meaning if you got arrested for ANYTHING, no matter how minor, you are fucked and have to rot in jail until trial or you plead guilty and do prison time, as Gotham was now a police state with massive prison overcrowding due to prosecutors going tough on crime to the extreme. The mafia is all but wiped out but Gordon by the start of DKR, regrets everything he has done and even writes out a confession he chickens out on reading during a ceremony celebration on Gotham being a police state dystopia.
Adding to this, is the fact that while crime is down, quality of life is still garbage in Gotham. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer and worse, the elite seem to be immune to being targeted by the new anti crime laws while the white working class live in constant fear of being vanished if they so much as jaywalk. And Nolan's Batman doesn't give a shit about the poor; instead of using the Wayne Foundation to address the severe economic disparity to keep the poor white population from having to turn to crime to survive, he spends the ten year time skip crying about how Rachel was dead and how he was convinced that she was going to dump Dent for him (which Alfred finally has to break down and admit was not true and that he burnt Rachel's final letter to Bryce saying she was going to marry Harvey because Bruce being Batman was a deal breaker).
In the end, Bane recruited his army from people who got fucked over by the police state, people like Catwoman who are accelerationists who want to burn everything to the ground and who basically expose Dent's crimes and Gordon and Batman being in cahoots but can only do so by mass killing people and holding Gotham hostage via a nuclear bomb, cutting Gotham off from the rest of the country and turning it into an even worse hell, as the criminals are all freed to do as they please, while the police are all trapped in the sewers.
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There was also the scene where Catwoman is looking around sadly at the broken family photos in a rich person's destroyed home and remakes that it "was someone's home and then she gets told by her drunk friend "Now it is everyone's home" the movie then makes it clear that the socalist system the city is ubder hasn't solved any of the problems people where complaining about, in fact kids are stealing food to survive and risking instant execution for doing so, and the so called courts are just mob rule where people are not even told what they are charged with and have no appeal.
Those were some pretty harsh anti-socialist statements for a Hollywood blockbuster at the time and I am not surprised Nolan had to bank hard left to get the votes needed to be elected President of the DGA.
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These movies are messier than I remember.
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I'm not sure TDK was exactly pro-surveillance and pro-Patriot-Act so much as trying to demonstrate Joker's point that when shit gets extreme, moral crusaders like Batman, Gordon and Dent will throw away their supposedly heartfelt convictions in desperation to nab the bad guy. In the same way I don't see how TDKR is criticizing socialism in any way so much as demonstrating that the answer to a police state isn't to establish a lawless anarchist state where everyone is free to do as they wish. If anything it shows just how badly Batman and Gordon fucked up in that Bruce essentially fakes his own death at the end because Batman's reputation is now permanently tarnished by the reveal of how him and the police lied to everyone (which is why the Robin reveal at the end is so stupid).
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I dunno who made that statement, but most Twitter critics saying now that movies aren't supposed to be but mere entertainment, do believe movies should be propaganda of their political beliefs and then wonder why they fail when people don't watch them.
Like I said before, a bunch of Twitter "intelectuals" were ranting at the inaccuracy of the armors of the movie and they were all excited jumping up and down to show off their credentials as history experts until the cast was revealed to be diverse, then they all shut up and said this is the best movie ever.
What Harvey wanted to do was the same as what Bukele did. He didn't want to arrest random people but proven goons to keep them locked in enough time for the police to clean the streets and confiscate the assets of the mafia so they can't get more people. They reason they feared this could fail was due to the corruption of the city, but they were lucky to find supportive people who agreed this was needed.
Also, they didn't use Batman. Batman was the one who offered them to bring Lau to Gotham whole Gordon and Harvey were discussing how to do so.
The reason the plan failed was because they needed the plan to fail, although it didn't completely. TDKR starts saying that the city is now safer, so Harvey's plan didn't fully fail. It is very realistic that rebuilding the city would take time because removing criminals won't make citizens immediately rich, but it's mostly due to the movie needing to show class inequality for the movie to happen. The funny thing is that most citizens were really not into any of that and it was only criminals fully on board.
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Based on that first reaction clip someone posted above and someone else suggesting that all the supernatural aspects will be unconfirmed flashbacks or dreams, I'm going to say that the transformation will be some mental thing. Like her suggestive powers or a drug or something. They will start behaving in a bestial way and there may be some vague pig-like effects around them but enough that Nolan doesn't have to give up his precious realism. It will be a "maaaybe" they did sort of thing at most.
"who offered to bring", not "who offered them to bring". What is with the flood of foreign-language corruptions on English language sites recently? Anyway, just because Batman offered to do it, doesn't change that they used him to do it. Used doesn't mean exploited or coerced. It just states that was the means they used to accomplish their goals. Which were their goals. They absolutely used illegal means (Batman) to get what they wanted.
It's okay. Just mentioning it gets it stuck in my head. But now that you have, I'm realising more and more how much better a full on Sci-Fi epic version of the Odyssey would be than this likely will be. Make it a fucking synth-rock opera like the cartoon and go all out. Would be the campiest and best thing released in years. Like Flash Gordon meets Jason and the Argonauts.
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I was watching that new Honest Trailers which I never do because it's garbage for babies. But because of the timing, it made me think they were going to go to bat for Nolan's Odyssey while tearing down Troy and, well, they didn't disappoint.
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So it's a run of the mill Nolan movie.
I'm not a huge Nolan fan. I think his movies are all kind of boring with some very well done spectacle scenes. In fact I do believe his sound mixing is done to wake you up when you drift off during his films.
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The irony of it is if he had gone for a full-on fantasy movie with mythical elements, then some of the other things would've been easier to swallow. If it's a pure fantasy it's easier to accept the ridiculousness of 5'0 Ellen as a "magnificent warrior", I'm just saying.
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But the reason why people drift off is because they can't understand what characters are saying.
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I appreciate that the twitter personality (is that an oxymoron?) is as dumb as a rock and/or deliberately disingenuous but this highlights some blatant (and some subtle) strawmanning. The blatant is the obvious one that Nolan has built his career on authenticity and is still trying to pay that card (e.g. his failed attempt to justify Travis Scott).. It's his unique selling point. The more subtle strawmanning is the reference to teaching "history"which of course is not the issue. The issues with the Odyssey relate to authenticity to the story as understood for a few millenia and regarded as a cornerstone of western story telling tradition. There are historical authenticity issues inherent to the story; Helen not being Wakandan, Viking Longships being notable only by their absence but; no-one takes the Odyssey as a historical record with the importance to the story of the Gods and their supernatural powers.
A lack of historical authenticity can be a problem where a film is presented / marketed as being historically accurate. U571 is a good example with McConaughey throwing his toys out of the pram at historical criticisms playing the "it's just a movie for entertainment dude" card with the 'tard dial cranked up to 11. Historical authenticity was a real issue for U571 because it was presented as telling a real life story. The Odyssey has that issue only insofar as history is built into the story as with the Odyssey it's authenticity / accuracy to the story that is the issue.
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Story about witches, magic, and monsters:
Make it realistic
Literally “The cyclops was the friends we made along the way”
So what you get are dull visuals, awful casting, daddy dialogue, for 2 hours. Who is this made for?
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So checked the local Imax theatre. Checking 7pm showtime. Friday is not full, and still has a couple not front seats. Saturday has seats and is about 2/3rds full. Sunday completely wide open. Zero pre sales on Laser or standard Dolby.
Biggest issue is the movie sounds boring to mid. That usually equals poor word of mouth. Its going to win the weekend box office no doubt. But so far seems like audiences are not going to the theatres this summer.
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It costs an arm and a leg, even a discount ticket now costs $10 and with everything coming to streaming withing a month of thratrical release, why bother?
I love my local movie theater but the price of food has doubled in the past year as has the price of movie tickets, so a movie has to be a clsssic for me to pay to see it now.
You can get a decent 50 inch tv for around $200 bucks these days and back durring lockdown I bought a 4K projector and a 200 inch screen, so there is no reason for me to spend money to sit in a half empty theater to see a movie that is mid.
The only two movies left this year that I plan to see in theaters are Cayotee vs. Acme and Godzilla minus Zero. I expect those two to be worth it because I am sure the other people at the movie will be fans and they look good, so seeing a good movie with other fans is worth it to me.
Going to the movies is mostly a drag these days, you sit in a half empty theater and then leave depressed because the movie was at best average.
Hollywood either needs to make better films or drop the price of a movie ticket to $3, that is all 90% of the movies coming out today are worth.
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This is only if you live in a high cost metropolitan shithole. All the theaters near me are between 6-7 dollars on Tuesdays. Some theaters have discounts before 5pm everyday. 10 dollars is around the normal price for a standard showing. The prices really haven't grown much in the past decade and movies are still a relatively cheap way to be entertained for a few hours.
I looked into the pricing a bit following up this post. It turns out I had the theaters mixed up. The AMC I though had real imax had 70mm for $14 and imax for $20. The real imax theater was a brendan that had showings for $50! The theater didn't have a lot of seats, but only 7pm on opening day is fully booked out as of now. All the other showings have around 8 seats available. I can see opening weekend being booked out by the time of showing. Beyond that, every showing is half booked.
