Culture Pope begs breakaway traditionalist group to back off plan to consecrate its own bishops - The consecrations constitute a schismatic act and incur automatic excommunication for the four bishops and the bishop administering the consecration.

Pope Leo XIV leads a mass at St Peter's basilica in The Vatican on Monday.
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Pope Leo XIV on Tuesday begged a breakaway group of traditionalist Catholics to call off its plan to consecrate new bishops without his consent, calling the move a schismatic act and a “sin of extreme gravity.”

“I plead with you and ask you with all my heart: please turn back!” Leo wrote in a letter to the Rev. Davide Pagliarani, the superior of the Society of St. Pius X.

Leo issued the letter a day before the society planned to consecrate four new bishops at its seminary in Econe, Switzerland. Under church law, the consecrations constitute a schismatic act and incur automatic excommunication for the four bishops and the bishop administering the consecration.

The society, known as the SSPX, was founded in opposition to the modernizing reforms of the 1960s Second Vatican Council. Among other things, the council revolutionized the Catholic Church’s relations with other religions and the laity, and allowed Mass to be celebrated in vernacular languages rather than Latin.

In 1988, SSPX founder Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre consecrated four bishops without papal consent, a grave crime under church law. The Vatican promptly excommunicated Lefebvre and the four other bishops, and the group today still has no legal status in the church.

The Vatican has warned that a similar fate awaits the new bishops.

In his letter, Leo repeated the Vatican’s offer of dialogue and said that going through with the consecrations would be counterproductive for the SSPX faithful.


Priests receive blessings from newly ordained priests, after an ordination ceremony of the traditionalist Catholic Society of Saint Pius X, in Econe, Switzerland, on Monday.
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“I urge you to consider carefully the spiritual good of the faithful, because the schismatic act you are about to undertake would deprive them of the licit, and in some cases, even valid reception of the sacraments,” he wrote.

Despite the original 1988 schismatic act, the group has continued to grow and today poses a threat to the Holy See as a parallel, ultra-Catholic, pre-Vatican II church. The SSPX counts two bishops, 751 priests, 264 seminarians, 145 religious brothers, 88 oblates and 250 religious sisters representing 50 nationalities, according to SSPX statistics.

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[XYZpdq Jr.]

he then went back to his usual pals of muzzies and troons

 

[Dicksmash Turbofist]

Come back to the True Church where liturgical diversity is allowed. Western rite Orthodox are becoming more and more common in America.

 

[Pelican Bones]

“sin of extreme gravity.”

How the fuck is this a sin?

Under church law

Oh, ok so it's not a sin. Got it.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

Why did he wait until the day before to say something?

How the fuck is this a sin?

Oh, ok so it's not a sin. Got it.

Consecrating bishops without the approval of the Church is a big deal. It's the same situation in Eastern and Oriental Orthodoxy, really any church with the concept of apostolic succession. Bishops are able to consecrate other bishops as well as ordain priests and deacons.

 

[TrinityReformed]

He had no one to blame but himself.

 

[Pelican Bones]

Why did he wait until the day before to say something?


Consecrating bishops without the approval of the Church is a big deal. It's the same situation in Eastern and Oriental Orthodoxy, really any church with the concept of apostolic succession. Bishops are able to consecrate other bishops as well as ordain priests and deacons.

I'm not talking about "big deal", I'm talking about sin. Especially sins of higher than average density or whatever.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

I'm not talking about "big deal", I'm talking about sin. Especially sins of higher than average density or whatever.

Consecrating bishops independent of the Church is an act of schism. Schism is a grave sin because it divides the Church and causes people to leave it and follow heresies and errors.

Intentionally breaking canon law is also a sin with its gravity dependent on the law broken.

 

[TrinityReformed]

I almost forgot, do you guys think the Africans will try to break away again?

 

[Pelican Bones]

Consecrating bishops independent of the Church is an act of schism. Schism is a grave sin because it divides the Church and causes people to leave it and follow heresies and errors.

Intentionally breaking canon law is also a sin with its gravity dependent on the law broken.

The church says it's a sin to act outside their authority. Can you point out to me where the Bible says bishops consecrating other bishops is a sin, or is this one of those things were I've got to take several steps to get there?

 

[RetardMaxxer]

But mr pope, its mean to throw people out of a place or organization if they break the law, remember? You must welcome them with open arms!

 

[Lucius Aelius]

I'm not talking about "big deal", I'm talking about sin. Especially sins of higher than average density or whatever.

As a protestant, I've always held the view that the Catholic Church confused itself with God at some point. Jesus didn't codify many church practices, and most of "church law" is essentially just politics. Ordaining bishops isn't really a sin against God. It's a sin against the Catholic conception that they are the mouthpiece of God and the only legitimate body.

 

[darksydephloyd]

What are the SSPX guys' claims to authority? They just decided they didn't like how things were going in the moment and decided they would make up their own rules?

 

[Pelican Bones]

What are the SSPX guys' claims to authority? They just decided they didn't like how things were going in the moment and decided they would make up their own rules?

idk what this motherfuckers claim to authority?

 

[darksydephloyd]

idk what this motherfuckers claim to authority?
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What's wrong with that? Who does a Catholic who disagrees with this appeal to? If I'm a Catholic and I disagree with the pope, what higher authority do I appeal to in order to "fix" it or whatever? I guess you can do the SSPX thing and just give up and quit but that didn't actually change anything.

 

[Mr.Bucket]

What are the SSPX guys' claims to authority? They just decided they didn't like how things were going in the moment and decided they would make up their own rules?

Isn't that pretty much how all denominations start?

 

[Disdainer of the Plebs]

Wow a little more than a year of Leo’s Christcuckery has provoked the threat of an anti-pope. Maybe the christcucks aren’t totally cooked after all.

 

[User names must be unique]

Catholicism got it's own vanilla private servers?!

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

What are the SSPX guys' claims to authority? They just decided they didn't like how things were going in the moment and decided they would make up their own rules?

Essentially, the founder (Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre) of the SSPX didn't believe non-SSPX bishops would be reliable and preserve the traditionalist beliefs of the Society so he decided to ignore the Pope's orders and consecrate his own bishops. Needless to say, blowing off a direct order from the Pope isn't going to be taken lightly.

 

[Pelican Bones]

What's wrong with that?

John 14:6

what higher authority

John 14:26

I guess you can do the SSPX thing and just give up

Well how is doing nothing and giving up been working out for you and your church?