UK British News Megathread - aka CWCissey's news thread

ApeBass · 30 de Jun, 2026

Otterly dijo:
We aren’t getting a grand civil war, we will get ethnic conflict

What's the difference?
Was the collapse of Yugoslavia merely ethnic conflict, or a series of civil wars?
I don't get the impression that the distinction mattered too much to the people caught up in the genocide and mass-rape.

Otterly · 30 de Jun, 2026

SchizoDaemon dijo:
I don't want to sound patronising.

Yet you manage it rather well.

ApeBass dijo:
What's the difference?
Was the collapse of Yugoslavia merely ethnic conflict, or a series of civil wars?
I don't get the impression that the distinction mattered too much to the people caught up in the genocide and mass-rape.

the difference is in intensity and how total it is. If there’s normal life going on around most of the way and as few immigrant containment units on fire that not quite the same as shelling apartment blocks IMO.
But yeah, it’s not a hard boundary is it? We are already in a process of conflict. Multiple - the government is waging war against the native populace with unfair conditions and differential treatment and often outright violence. The government is importing a bio weapon to attack the native populace. We are already in a conflict situation. A lot seems to be resting on the idea that people are too fat lazy and surveilled to actually do anything, and yet even a few years ago we had an active civil war with multiple killings, bombings and acts of terror right here. Same people, and now the same conditions.
I used to live with a girl who had gotten out of Sarajevo, had her families flat shelled, a few of her family disappeared/killed and she’d just laugh at people who told her that couldn’t happen here. Of course it can.

the printer is outo fink · 30 de Jun, 2026

HTTP Error 404 dijo:
Oh.

Was this the one where the random negroid just walked up and stabbed a woman on the street corner for no reason other than UNGA BUNGA BIXNOOD MUH DICK GIBES ME DAT?

Riad Bouchaker was one where his disability payment was stopped so he went to the Talbot Street mosque, then came out and started looking for kids. He approached an area with older children, thought they looked too capable and walked to a creche where children aged around 5 were lined up outside. He started picking them up and stabbing them. He had stabbed three, one particularly grievously, before one of the creche workers managed to get between them, and he essentially gutted her.

By that point, an Irish man who was on a day trip with his family saw it from across the street and raced over to stop him. Bouchaker tried to stab him, but only managed to slash his clothes. The Irish man and a young French guy mostly managed to subdue him. Then a Brazilian guy joined in and started smacking him with his helmet. At this point, a bunch of women formed a circle around the man that had just attacked three very small children and a woman, and protected him until the guards arrived.

In the hours after, a huge crowd gathered near the creche and it turned into a pretty large riot with buses, a Luas tram and a migrant hotel set on fire. The next day, the Brazilian guy was hailed as the sole hero and made a fortune from a very generous gofundme. Two of the children were discharged fairly quickly from hospital, but the third little girl will never live a normal life. Despite a series of online updates periodically posted by "her family" about how great she's doing, she's almost completely paralysed, communicates by blinking, and is tube fed. She's also, as revealed in court last week, plagued by nightmares and terrified to sleep.

Bouchaker is only now on trial, after pleading not guilty, though yesterday after the prosecution finished giving their evidence, the defence said they had no evidence and other than a summation criticising flag wavers, asked for him to be found not guilty. - Shortly after the mosque he visited went on fire, though video shows a that a very-not-Irish man is claiming to have set that as he hates Islam.

Chunky Salsa · 30 de Jun, 2026

The Troubles and This Thing Of Ours aren't really comparable. The IRA had long familial networks built up and into the community - to join an IRA cell you had to be blood related, or essentially marry into it - and they had a lot of outside support. Everyone talks about the USA - and they were a big financial supporter - but Libya gave them 3 fucking tonnes of semtex (god bless Gaddafi lmao). They folded in criminal gangs, military trained men and all sorts into a kinship network that was, by the time of the PIRA entrenched for near three hundred years. We do not have that. What we have are a lot of springtime movements that have emerged organically and are sort of just finding their feet, which then come into contact with the swamp of British rightoid politics. A huge problem among the 'far right' in the UK, is that it's the same eight guys running it for 40 years, and they all hate each other. Which makes unifying in any meaningful way, very difficult.

I don't think we're getting a civil war, but I'm also not on the 'nothing ever happens' train. I think things will get worse, and worse, and worse over time. Life will continue to shrink and the scale of the grievance will get smaller until it's outside your front door for most people. I think that the state is largely incompetent at achieving its goals - of a multi-culti paradise - but fairly competent at achieving its short term aims of "Boot on human face!", which is problematic for those of us with faces. However, as someone who has had the eye of sauron on them, they are not actually that good at looking through things. People who say they are, have not had to deal with them, or worked within their systems. I have done both. Data analysis is a fuzzy woo-woo science at the best of times, and it is especially so when trying to map to large populations; and get justification for cracking down. The state absolutely cannot handle more than 100ish people doing something across 10 places. It hasn't got the money, the man power or the attention span. The issue for those 100 people though, is that it absolutely can bury you if you get caught. It will do so with zero hesitation. So the question everyone should ask themselves is: "Is what I am about to do, worth blowing my life up." 99% of people, it is not. That 1% is something that the state can examine and track and crack down on.

I could however be like the man interviewed in Kosovo, who famously went on air two weeks before tanks rolled down the street, and said "War? Here? You may as well see the sun explode!" The sun of course is still here, but he was blown apart by artillery.

SchizoDaemon · 30 de Jun, 2026

Otterly dijo:
Yet you manage it rather well.

That wasn't my intention. There are a lot of people here (and online generally) who are winding themselves up. Everyone gets all riled up every few weeks. I used to do this to myself about 6-8 years ago in other places online; after a while I realised I had let myself get manipulated.

Chunky Salsa dijo:
The issue for those 100 people though, is that it absolutely can bury you if you get caught. It will do so with zero hesitation. So the question everyone should ask themselves is: "Is what I am about to do, worth blowing my life up." 99% of people, it is not. That 1% is something that the state can examine and track and crack down on.

Thank you for communicating this better than I could.

Vesperus · 30 de Jun, 2026

A civil requires both sides being committed because it's their home: When one side is only there because it's marginally easier than being somewhere else, they'll just move on.
Will it be unpleasant? Sure. But to be honest I don't see it getting as bitter as the Troubles (although possibly larger in terms of scale)

And while the UK seems to like larping as a police state, it doesn't really even have the numbers for policing by consent any more. 1% of the population with nothing to lose would be larger than the police force by at least an order of magnitude.

the printer is outo fink · 30 de Jun, 2026

Vesperus dijo:
A civil requires both sides being committed because it's their home: When one side is only there because it's marginally easier than being somewhere else, they'll just move on.

What about people who are several generations in the UK/Europe? Or those who have one ethnic British parent? If it's all they've ever known, they are largely going to be committed to the UK as their home too. And if it's half their ethnic heritage, they absolutely will.

Overly Serious · 30 de Jun, 2026

SchizoDaemon dijo:
I don't think the conditions exist

They do round my way.

I tell you what, lets not argue. Lets just wait.

Overly Serious · 30 de Jun, 2026

SchizoDaemon dijo:
I don't want to sound patronising. I think you've been letting people wound you up online too much.

That does sound a bit patronising, fyi. Do you think the posters in this thread aren't facing real exposure to this stuff in our actual lives and are just getting angered by reading about it? Reading about it should anger someone. But a lot of us are angry about things we experience in our real life.

Every time I set foot out my door, I see new faces speaking new accents, dressed in new clothes they didn't buy, getting given bikes and phones we did buy for them, living in accommodation they don't pay for making it harder for people I know to move out when they're living five in some tiny little terrace house.

This isn't just online. In fact, it's not even primarily online. I didn't need to wait twenty years for Rupert Lowe's rape gang enquiry. I recall the stories from people I knew who were close to me.

SchizoDaemon dijo:
That wasn't my intention. There are a lot of people here (and online generally) who are winding themselves up. Everyone gets all riled up every few weeks. I used to do this to myself about 6-8 years ago in other places online; after a while I realised I had let myself get manipulated.

That's the thing. You write as someone who got wound up by reading about stuff and solved it by not reading the stuff or not letting it wind you up. That doesn't work if you're seeing this stuff IRL which more and more of us are. What comes across as patronising is when you talk to people you don't know and think just disengaging is an option for them like it seems it was for you.

teriyakiburns · 30 de Jun, 2026

Vesperus dijo:
A civil requires both sides being committed because it's their home: When one side is only there because it's marginally easier than being somewhere else, they'll just move on.

Unless one side is there because they intend to take over. IMO, if or when we do see a civil conflict, it'll be defensive on our part, against an uprising by islamic groups. That's why I think the war has already started; we're seeing a shortening of time between high profile incidents of migrant violence against us, which to me looks like it's leading towards an inflection point, where one violent event will immediately follow another and then just not stop.

Heinrich Maneuver · 30 de Jun, 2026

What happened to the Scottish guy who allegedly stabbed Muslims? Two days after the attack we heard nothing. Even I was struggling to find information on it. Options;
a) it was a false flag that failed to catch on and was pulled after the public attitude was "don't think they have been stabbed mate"
b) he's a true nutter who cannot be charged for XYZ mental health reasons
c) it was a legit real attack, and the media and government are deathly scared of copycat attacks and did not want to give it any attention once they saw the public reaction (this is the option I believe)

teriyakiburns dijo:
where one violent event will immediately follow another and then just not stop.

This is already happening. Especially rape. The rapes are not stopping.

"Nothing ever happens" is doing a LOT of heavy lifting. Both the right and left and centre hate the government. Another huge factor in the collapse of state control/governments is confusion, no leader, no clear policy, no direction. Moving the government to Manchester for one day a week is going to accelerate confusion, where IS the government, if London is not the centre of control? Edit to ask: who is in charge right now? Not in a 'kikes run us all' anyway. But think like an average person. Who is running the country? Starmer? He quit. Burnham? he just got elected, and no one voted for his Manchester-festo. Well, is it the Labour party, who were voted in simply because they weren't the Tories? Mahmood? Rayner? Streeting? What about the King? People are planning to protest the decision to be the 'defender of multi-faith Britain' on the 3rd. Who is the leader of Britain, right now?
East Germany fell because no one knew what the state's position on emigration was (officials kept U-turning and passing the buck on clarifying it), and people turned up to the border expecting they could leave, and confused border guards let people through. The wall was down within days. A weak government will fall.

23 new builds given to 83 migrants in Stoke Heath, Shropshire. Locals were told they would be used as 'social housing' and have woken up to find they've been given to browns.
Burnham is notorious for promising social/affordable/buzzword housing in Manchester, and then all of the flats built with taxpayer money loans turn out to be luxury (aka, normal) flats. Not something I'm entirely opposed too, as long as the flats go to British people and not Saudis or Chinese looking to buy a property in the city centre

Quintex96 · 30 de Jun, 2026

SchizoDaemon dijo:
I don't want to sound patronising. I think you've been letting people wound you up online too much. I need to reiterate: England is not fucking Northern Ireland.

Are you going to get some riots and sporadic violence? Yes. But it is going to be low level, and a lid will be kept on it for years, if not decades.

Welcome back, kofi drinka.

Otterly · 30 de Jun, 2026

Chunky Salsa dijo:
I could however be like the man interviewed in Kosovo, who famously went on air two weeks before tanks rolled down the street, and said "War? Here? You may as well see the sun explode!" The sun of course is still here, but he was blown apart by artillery.

Yeah my old housemate was all ‘lol you think it can’t happen. We thought it couldn’t happen then my uncle got his throat cut by the people three doors down who we’d been apparently friendly with for decades and my other uncle got sent somewhere to a torture camp and never seen again and our flat got destroyed by a rocket, soooo…’

SchizoDaemon dijo:
There are a lot of people here (and online generally) who are winding themselves up.

I do get quite wound up by seeing little girls almost beheaded at dance classes yeah. I mean I know they’re only white people and all and I used to go to dance classes as a little white girl so I really shouldnt feel any affinity or think ‘that could be me or my beloved children’ or get wound up…
I mean really. People should be raging. Not pacified and told to calm down dear because it’s not cool to be upset. People in past times would have dragged this lot out into the streets. People need to be far more wound up. They need to be angry. If more people were angry enough, we’d sort it all out.

Tony Martin's Force Ghost · 30 de Jun, 2026

@James X Maxwell, very rarely happens, but ignoring the Court's instructions and reading up on the case and being influenced by outside sources and not the evidence presented is a jailable offence. Under the Juries Act 1974, it is a criminal act, so has jail time. It is due to section 20B, where he was discussing with fellow jurors; this can be viewed as trying to share research with them.

SchizoDaemon · 30 de Jun, 2026

Otterly dijo:
I do get quite wound up by seeing little girls almost beheaded at dance classes yeah. I mean I know they’re only white people and all and I used to go to dance classes as a little white girl so I really shouldnt feel any affinity or think ‘that could be me or my beloved children’ or get wound up…

Do you think I wasn't upset when these attacks happened? Do you think this doesn't make me angry?

And what have you and the many others on here achieved by getting wound up about it? I used to get wound up, and I can't do anything in reality to influence it. I can only look after myself, my family, friends and community.

I understand the limitations of my own influence and power. Which isn't anything at all. I am not going to apologise for having a level-headed assessment of reality.

Otterly dijo:
I mean really. People should be raging. Not pacified and told to calm down dear because it’s not cool to be upset. People in past times would have dragged this lot out into the streets. People need to be far more wound up. They need to be angry. If more people were angry enough, we’d sort it all out.

That isn't what I am saying. The point I am trying to tell you is that people are trying to manipulate you (of all political persuasions). If people are trying to manipulate you (and BTW, I know some of the stuff that you've mentioned in your replies to me is straight off of YouTube and the stuff about Palantir is rage bait), you have to ask yourself why you are being manipulated. I can tell you what happened in the only organised protests that have happened in Canada; they completely infiltrated the protests, broke their rice bowl and locked them up, and those in the Canadian government and many of their own countrymen saw them as a nuisance.

As for people getting angry, it goes back to 'What have you done?' Are you going out there causing trouble? Are you ready for prison? Because that is what you are asking people to do when you imply that people need to be strung up.

Mound Dweller · 30 de Jun, 2026

SchizoDaemon dijo:
As for people getting angry, it goes back to 'What have you done?' Are you going out there causing trouble? Are you ready for prison? Because that is what you are asking people to do when you imply that people need to be strung up.

Some people people come here to vent, other people come here to encourage people to vent a bit too much, other other "people" come here to remind people not to vent because That Is A Very Bad Thing and you should Check Your Thinking M8. The fact you're so insistent on always doing the latter is a dead give away officer.

KeeKeeCooch · 30 de Jun, 2026

Too many coppers in here for my liking..

SchizoDaemon · 30 de Jun, 2026

Mound Dweller dijo:
Some people people come here to vent, other people come here to encourage people to vent a bit too much, other other "people" come here to remind people not to vent because That Is A Very Bad Thing and you should Check Your Thinking M8. The fact you're so insistent on always doing the latter is a dead give away officer.

I don't actually tell anyone what to think. I do tell them to think and I argue my case.

KeeKeeCooch dijo:
Too many coppers in here for my liking..

Yes, officer. I agree that there is far too much law enforcement; please tell the sergeant their efforts can be better spent elsewhere.

Overly Serious dijo:
That's the thing. You write as someone who got wound up by reading about stuff and solved it by not reading the stuff or not letting it wind you up. That doesn't work if you're seeing this stuff IRL which more and more of us are. What comes across as patronising is when you talk to people you don't know and think just disengaging is an option for them like it seems it was for you.

I was living alongside it. I moved. That was the only viable solution available to me.

teriyakiburns · 30 de Jun, 2026

Government 'cannot deport' grooming gang ringleader (live)

The ringleader of a notorious Rochdale grooming gang is set to be released from jail this week and cannot be deported, his victims have been told.

Shabir Ahmed, 73, known to his victims as "Daddy", had dual British-Pakistani citizenship but was stripped of the former following his conviction in 2012 for multiple counts of rape and sexual offences against girls.

Documents shared online, reportedly from the Probation Service to one of his victims, state that he will be released on Thursday.

The Home Office said Ahmed's crimes were "appalling" and that he would be subject to stringent licence conditions upon his release from prison.

Ahmed must initially live in supervised accommodation 24/7 and will be subject to an "exclusion zone" centred on Rochdale.

The papers published online said Ahmed cannot be deported back to Pakistan due to provisions under the Immigration Act 1971.

The act says because Ahmed arrived in the UK before 1973 and lived in the country for at least five years before his deportation was considered, his removal is barred.

'Violent bully'

In 2022, Andy Burnham, likely to succeed Sir Keir Starmer as prime minister, called on the Conservative government "to do everything within [its] power" to deport members of grooming gangs.

Paul Waugh, MP for Rochdale, told The Daily Telegraph: "The people of Rochdale want him booted out of the country and it's simply unacceptable that the government of Pakistan are refusing to take him back.

"If the Citizenship Act needs to be amended to do that, ministers should look at doing just that."

For two years from early 2008, girls as young as 12 were plied with alcohol and drugs, gang-raped in rooms above takeaway shops and ferried to different flats in taxis where cash was paid to use the girls for sex.

Ahmed was described in court as a "violent, hypocritical bully".

At his trial, he called the judge a "racist" and took his case to the European Court of Human Rights, claiming he had not received a fair trial.

'Multiple failures'

He was jailed for 19 years in 2012 at Liverpool Crown Court, one of nine men in the Rochdale grooming gang trial convicted of offences against five girls.

Police said as many as 50 girls could have been victims of the gang, and that many of them had come from "chaotic", "council estate" backgrounds.

Judge Gerald Clifton said victims were treated "as though they were worthless and beyond any respect" because they were not part of the gang's community or religion.

Greater Manchester Police said at the time there was no "racial or cultural" element to the crimes.

A report later found that police had not acted despite multiple concerns being raised. It said there had been "serious multiple failures" by police and local authorities.

Ahmed's case follows a similar legal battle by two other gang members, Qari Abdul Rauf and Adil Khan.

Both were stripped of their British citizenship in 2022 after fighting a long legal battle which went all the way to the Court of Appeal.

Both invoked their human rights under article eight of the European Convention on Human Rights - the right to a private and family life - to avoid deportation.

The Home Office has not said if either man had been deported.

A Home Office spokesperson said: "Ahmed's horrific crimes were at the heart of the grooming gangs scandal that represents one of the darkest moments in our country's history.

"The most vulnerable people were abused and exploited at the hands of evil child rapists, and must face the full force of the law."

It said Ahmed must sign the sex offenders' register for life and any breach of his licence conditions would result in him being "immediately locked up".

Tony Martin's Force Ghost · 30 de Jun, 2026

So, firstly, @Heinrich Maneuver, I had to. I am so sorry
Glasgow migrant be like

As for Burnham, this guy is a worse speaker than fucking Starmer. He speaks like a guy who works in an all-female HR group and is totally not gay. There have been rumours about him being a cuck, which I totally would not doubt.

As for his social housing plan, it will never happen for a few reasons;

Budget: he does not have the money, and how the money is handled. Builders are paid via cross-subsidisation, which means they are paid a percentage for each house SOLD. In social housing, the holder pays for the shell, and the same process is still afforded, but the builder gets paid much less.
Builders salary and shortages. There is currently a 140,000 builder shortage at the baseline. A lot of building firms have to take out high-interest loans to start a job and cover costs, hoping that the handover payments will pay off the loan and yield a few % in profit. This is not the case at the moment, due to costs.
Permissions and road adoptions are incredibly expensive, costing millions sometimes.
Boomers - What does Andy think will happen when the elderly die? This will have a huge influx, creating a surge in empty property, but also making an elastic demand. Screwing over builders.

UK British News Megathread - aka CWCissey's news thread

ApeBass

Otterly

Immerse your soul in love

the printer is outo fink

Chunky Salsa

SchizoDaemon

Vesperus

Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.

the printer is outo fink

Overly Serious

Overly Serious

teriyakiburns

Why'd the guy give a name to his penis?

Heinrich Maneuver

it's just you, me and this wire

Quintex96

Otterly

Immerse your soul in love

Tony Martin's Force Ghost

I killed a gypo!

SchizoDaemon

Mound Dweller

Extreme Annoyer

KeeKeeCooch

SchizoDaemon

teriyakiburns

Why'd the guy give a name to his penis?

Tony Martin's Force Ghost

I killed a gypo!