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Should be a wild four years.

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You guys arent dooming hard enough. The SCROTUS is actually gonna instate that the every human on earth applies for the 14th Amendment. Furthermore, those born in Somalia and India have 50 votes each due to past colonial oppression. Also the first and second amendment will be determined to be actually old coffee stains and will be thereby stricken from the constitution.
 
Birthright citizenship is upheld but its also ruled that trying to make foreign plants into citizens through exploiting birthright citizenship via visa overstay, tourist visas, and other non-immigrant visas is treason and if you do it the entire family is hanged for it.

I'm all in.
It’s gotta extend to clamp down on Chinese birth tourism too. IVF and surrogacy are bad enough as it is, but there is not enough being done about the the fact that there’s been a cottage industry built around Chinese billionaires paying western women to be inseminated and carrying their children to ensure they’re born in the US as part of some long-term corporate strategy to expand into American markets via inherited wealth and assets.

Amusingly, many of these women happen to be of the tribe. The Judeo-Hapa meme is real.

Edit: I realize I sound like peak Alex Jones but this shit’s been going in for decades and only began to be contested as late as 2019.
 
The Judicial branch simply shouldn't have this much power over the country, especially on things like birthright citizenship.
The Supreme Court has the job of interpreting the Constitution. This case is as quintessentially within their purview as a case can be.

There is no law that gives immigrants birthright citizenship. It is literally based on a footnote in a reading from a prior SCOTUS ruling that the rest of the court was too tired of dealing with their retarded commie version of the sheeboon to correct. A later court then said "LOOK, A LEGALLY BINDING FOOTNOTE THAT OVERRULES THE CONSTITUTION (cause we want it to)."
Wong Kim Ark was expansive in its analysis and discussion.

This Court sounded fairly skeptical of the arguments put forth:
during oral arguments on Wednesday, the Supreme Court expressed significant concerns with the Trump administration’s attempt to replace it with its own preferred interpretation.

President Trump’s Department of Justice resurrected a legal theory which was relegated to the legal fringes after its defeat in the Wong Kim Ark case over 100 years ago. Specifically, the Trump administration argues that to be “subject to the jurisdiction” means to be within the full “political” jurisdiction of a nation. Thus, in their view, the babies of undocumented immigrants and any lawfully present immigrants without green cards are not entitled to birthright citizenship, because their parents’ presence in the country is either temporary or banned.

During oral arguments, the government, represented by Solicitor General John Sauer, claimed that the drafters of the 14th Amendment sought only to offer birthright citizenship to children of enslaved people who for years had been denied citizenship under the pre-Civil War Dred Scott decision, in which the Supreme Court held that children of enslaved people born in the United States were not citizens by birth.

Sauer argued that the drafters of the 14th Amendment deliberately steered the United States away from the prevailing common-law rules of birthright citizenship that pre-dated the Dred Scott decision and instead aimed to limit birthright citizenship only to those whose parents were legally “domiciled” in the United States.

Domicile is a legal term; generally, it refers to someone’s intent to live somewhere permanently. Sauer argued that people living in the United States with nonimmigrant visas and undocumented immigrants who are in violation of civil immigration laws cannot legally become “domiciled” because their long-term presence is restricted by law, and therefore, their children should not acquire citizenship at birth in the United States.

This position was met with pushback, including from the more conservative justices. Chief Justice Roberts, the second justice to weigh in, suggested that the Trump administration’s arguments were “quirky,” and that the exceptions they were trying to carve out didn’t seem to follow from the exceptions that the Supreme Court acknowledged in Wong Kim Ark. When Sauer later argued that modern policy reasons like “birth tourism” justified a restriction on birthright citizenship, Roberts quipped, “It’s a new world, [but] it’s the same Constitution.”

Throughout his time at the lectern, Sauer also faced skepticism from Justice Gorsuch, who said that it was “striking” to him how infrequently the concepts of allegiance and domicile — the keys to Sauer’s arguments — were discussed during the congressional debates around the 14th Amendment. Gorsuch later drew attention to a lecture by Justice Marshall Harlan — years after he dissented in Wong Kim Ark — in which he expressly said that the court’s ruling in the case covered temporary visitors to the United States.

While most of the debate focused on the Trump administration’s claim that parents had to be “domiciled” for their children to acquire citizenship at birth, justices also pressed the government on the practical ramifications. Justice Barrett asked how babies dropped off at hospitals without any knowledge of who their parents are would be covered under the government’s rule, and seemed unsatisfied with the government’s response that the baby would be a citizen thanks to a law passed by Congress, asking “Yeah, but what about the Constitution?” Justice Jackson also asked Sauer to explain how it would be determined at birth whether a child was a citizen or not, with Sauer responding that Social Security systems would make a first determination and if any parent believed a mistake was made, they could sue.

Only Justice Alito seemed to openly support the government’s position, pushing Cecillia Wang of the ACLU on the fact that the Wong Kim Ark decision mentions domicile over 20 times. In response, Wang argued that this was limited to the facts of the case. Justice Jackson also pointed out that the repeated references to Wong’s parents as having been domiciled in the country may have been an effort by the justices to assuage fears of many Americans at the time who held anti-Chinese attitudes and believed no Chinese person could ever assimilate.

While the justices asked tough questions of both sides, more of them appeared skeptical of the government’s position. Justice Kavanaugh opined that he might agree as a policy matter that children of undocumented immigrants should not be birthright citizens, but also noted that other countries’ practices don’t directly impact U.S. law, and agreed that if the Court were to accept the traditional understanding of Wong Kim Ark — in line with the general principle of letting precedent stand — then “this is a short opinion.” (That line got a laugh from the audience.)
The above is from a pro-birthright site, so cited only informationally and for what I quoted. https://www.americanimmigrationcoun...court-trump-eliminate-birthright-citizenship/

You can read excepts or link to the full opinion in Wong Kim Ark here. Full opinion. A worthwhile read.

There is absolutely no logical way that this is not rejected with citizenship stripped for everyone who got it via this method.
Even Trump's EO does not propose that. It proposes removing birthright citizenship for U.S.-born children born after February 19, 2025, if neither parent has citizenship or permanent immigration status. That includes


People with humanitarian visas and pending applications, such as applications for U-visas, T-visas, and asylum;​

People with temporary protected status (TPS) and humanitarian parole;​

People who are Deferred Action for Childhood Arrival (DACA) recipients;​

People with student, work and family visas, such as H-1B (specialty occupation workers), H-4 (dependents of H-1B), H2-a (temporary agricultural workers), F-1 (students), J-1 (exchange visitors), L-1 (intra-company transferees), L-2 (dependents of L-1), O-1 (extraordinary ability), and P-1 (athletes and entertainers);​

People with tourist visas, such as B-1 (business visitors) and B-2 (tourists);​

People without any immigration status.​



As a reminder, the 14A states, "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.”
 
I would also accept the monkeys paw of birthright citizenship is upheld but the domino effect that follows results in a 250 year net zero immigration moratorium after which the US becomes 90% white and a constitutional ammendment is passed to outlaw it.
Directly after the "Righting the wrongs of black slavery" act is passed in which all niggers get sent back to Africa with $20 of reparations per person.
Because their citizenship came from an act of pure evil (slavery) their citizenship is also revoked to right the wrongs of history.
Indians are also deported en masse. Just because they're gross.
 
I’m happy with the decisions today except for not allowing the Fed governor to be fired. That makes no sense given the Slaughter decision. As for mail-in votes, the Court basically instructed Congress what it needs to do if it actually cares about limiting vote count time. The Supreme Court cannot be the sole source of legislation fixing in this country.
that's plastic, Jeb was selling stone ones. that being said they're not that expensive unless they're actually made from real volcanic rock, something that i doubt is true for jeb's.


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That reporter has troon energy.
 
I think Fatpacks is right. Birthright citizenship will be extended to the entire universe. It's fucking over. Might as well stick my head up my ass until I pop out of existence.
 
He certainly sounds confident.
That shit eating grin and jovial expression. I trust the based black man, they're either heavily limiting or outright eliminating BRC. Also that reporter is a bitch, like, that dude is fucking old leave him alone. And before you go raining on my parade, here's my counter argument
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It’s gotta extend to clamp down on Chinese birth tourism too
Yah it's really bad. There's several Chinese CEOs who have over 100 kids born through surrogacy who also have American citizenship thanks to BRC. The Chinese are basically trying to brute force a home grown, American, domestic voting block.
 
Collins fucking sucks anyways. If she loses it's not really a big loss
When ever you hear about hold outs its literally always her and murkowsky. every single time.
 
Collins fucking sucks anyways. If she loses it's not really a big loss
When ever you hear about hold outs its literally always her and murkowsky. every single time.
Retard!!

"Collins is not a xitter chud so we should allow wife beater commie wannabe rapist take her seat and so he can vote for gay race communism 100% of the time while Collins votes yes on key votes."

Kill yourself!! WE love Susan Collins here!
 
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