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same to me. and that's what makes the anti vance/pro rubio shit so weird.
stupid faggots still havent learned we need to pull in the same direction.
no infighting. kill communists.
I try to think of another veep for Rubio, but I can't. Miller is too radical, Buvino is kinda retarded, Nikki does not compliment him (two neocons, also Indian), Don Jr. is Don. Jr, Bessent is too bland (also homosexual). Don't get me wrong, I love all of them but they are not veep material. Vance seems like his only choice, although he is fat.
 
I try to think of another veep for Rubio, but I can't. Miller is too radical, Buvino is kinda retarded, Nikki does not compliment him (two neocons, also Indian), Don Jr. is Don. Jr, Bessent is too bland (also homosexual). Don't get me wrong, I love all of them but they are not veep material. Vance seems like his only choice, although he is fat.
Stupid 12th amendment not allowing Barron Trump to be VP.
 
Did you predict that Vance would be VP in 2022?
i did, actually.
trump 1.0 went with pence for midwest bullshit
trump 2.0 went with vance and it built a bridge to silicon valley
a lot of people hate that, but it is what it is and it was smart.
also the politic shit of him being middle america wonder boy, whatever.
 
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I fuckin miss hulk hogan
not the shitty poster here, the actual hulkster.
he would have loved the 250 celebration.
it's a shame he couldn't be there for it.
His work was done on this mortal plane and he was called home. When we endure the tribulations to come, in a moment that tests your faith you will ask yourself "What would the Hulkster do?" The path will become clear and you will say aloud "Hell yeah, Brother."
 
i did, actually.
trump 1.0 went with pence for midwest bullshit
trump 2.0 went with vance and it built a bridge to silicon valley
a lot of people hate that, but it is what it is and it was smart.
also the politic shit of him being middle america wonder boy, whatever.
Peter Thiel's installation of Vance is the most overt example of money influencing political outcomes in this decade.
 
I try to think of another veep for Rubio, but I can't. Miller is too radical, Buvino is kinda retarded, Nikki does not compliment him (two neocons, also Indian), Don Jr. is Don. Jr, Bessent is too bland (also homosexual). Don't get me wrong, I love all of them but they are not veep material. Vance seems like his only choice, although he is fat.
There is a zero percent chance Vance would do another 4-8 years as Number 2. It would be a political death sentence, he would look like a cuck.

VP is a precarious position. If you aren't some old guy specifically taking it with no ambitions to go further (Cheney, for example), you do it to position yourself for President.

You get 1, maybe 2 shots to run for President after that. Doesn't matter how young you are. A 60 year old Vance isn't running after he spent his 40s being second fiddle to other guys. If he sits back and does nothing for 4-8 years of a Rubio Presidency that's not great either. Same for the opposite scenario.

I don't like it either. Rubio and Vance would both be great Presidents. But at some point we have to pick one or the other.
 
There is a zero percent chance Vance would do another 4-8 years as Number 2. It would be a political death sentence, he would look like a cuck.

VP is a precarious position. If you aren't some old guy specifically taking it with no ambitions to go further (Cheney, for example), you do it to position yourself for President.

You get 1, maybe 2 shots to run for President after that. Doesn't matter how young you are. A 60 year old Vance isn't running after he spent his 40s being second fiddle to other guys. If he sits back and does nothing for 4-8 years of a Rubio Presidency that's not great either. Same for the opposite scenario.

I don't like it either. Rubio and Vance would both be great Presidents. But at some point we have to pick one or the other.
That's why I like a Vance/Rubio ticket. We get both of them running the country for eight years, and the optics are that Rubio is moving closer to the Presidency, which doesn't diminish him for future runs, and then we get a Rubio run and 8 years there. If people really love Rubio and want to Rubio max, then him as VP is the way to go. You get 16 years instead of eight.

If Rubio is the candidate, then any place Vance is given looks like a demotion, and he's out of the picture politically. He could run for governor somewhere, but it's going to look like he's been put out to pasture rather than being a path to the presidency.
 
I mean, thinking about it a bit more, there is a plausible scenario where Rubio could be Vance's VP and then run himself.

Technically, VP  is a step up from Secretary of State. But Rubio was a Senator for 14 years vs Vance's 2. He was in the State House of Florida when Vance was in high school. It's not unheard of for a VP candidate to be older than their President, and even to successfully run afterwards (LBJ, Biden). But it is highly irregular. Imagine if Hilary had just agreed to be Biden's VP after being Senator, Secretary of State, and Presidential candidate. It looks like a step down if you have that much experience and settle for anything less than the big chair.

Rubio would be 65 in 2036. That's also a long time to be riding on the coattails of other Presidents and hoping they have wildly successful terms that don't drag you down. A major crisis, bad war, economic collapse, or scandal in a Vance Presidency as late as 2035 could nuke his chances of running and winning in 2036.

For either of these guys, the best scenario is one agrees to step aside and support the other, and be waiting in the wings for 2032 if the guy who runs in 2028 loses. Other than that it's speeches and book tours til they die. Such is our political system.
 
There is a zero percent chance Vance would do another 4-8 years as Number 2. It would be a political death sentence, he would look like a cuck.

VP is a precarious position. If you aren't some old guy specifically taking it with no ambitions to go further (Cheney, for example), you do it to position yourself for President.

You get 1, maybe 2 shots to run for President after that. Doesn't matter how young you are. A 60 year old Vance isn't running after he spent his 40s being second fiddle to other guys. If he sits back and does nothing for 4-8 years of a Rubio Presidency that's not great either. Same for the opposite scenario.

I don't like it either. Rubio and Vance would both be great Presidents. But at some point we have to pick one or the other.
I can see Rubio staying SOS at this point. He has amassed as much power as Kinsinger. He's good at his job too. There are benifits to not being president, and that's being able to do things you wouldn't be able to. Being president means you have to take heat constantly. Being a cabinet member means that public backlash is mostly transferred to the president. Its give or take.
 
I mean, thinking about it a bit more, there is a plausible scenario where Rubio could be Vance's VP and then run himself.

Technically, VP  is a step up from Secretary of State. But Rubio was a Senator for 14 years vs Vance's 2. He was in the State House of Florida when Vance was in high school. It's not unheard of for a VP candidate to be older than their President, and even to successfully run afterwards (LBJ, Biden). But it is highly irregular. Imagine if Hilary had just agreed to be Biden's VP after being Senator, Secretary of State, and Presidential candidate. It looks like a step down if you have that much experience and settle for anything less than the big chair.

Rubio would be 65 in 2036. That's also a long time to be riding on the coattails of other Presidents and hoping they have wildly successful terms that don't drag you down. A major crisis, bad war, economic collapse, or scandal in a Vance Presidency as late as 2035 could nuke his chances of running and winning in 2036.

For either of these guys, the best scenario is one agrees to step aside and support the other, and be waiting in the wings for 2032 if the guy who runs in 2028 loses. Other than that it's speeches and book tours til they die. Such is our political system.
I think it’s a waste of time to plan out political dynasties and all because we don’t have any idea what sort of shit is going to happen between then and now, and my opinions of the people involved are likely to change over the course of years.

Like I could be in 1986 listening to master of puppets fresh and think “Metallica will be the greatest band of all time” but who even knows what tracks are on their last twelve albums
 
I can see Rubio staying SOS at this point. He has amassed as much power as Kinsinger. He's good at his job too. There are benifits to not being president, and that's being able to do things you wouldn't be able to. Being president means you have to take heat constantly. Being a cabinet member means that public backlash is mostly transferred to the president. Its give or take.
I mean, there  are precidents for high level cabinet members serving under multiple Presidents. Kissenger and Rumsfeld come to mind. But those guys were basically Deep State jobbers. They weren't politicians and were never running for President (Rumsfeld was a state rep for a few years in his early career but that barely counts).

On the one hand, a Rubio who is slaying as Sec of State being in for another decade then running for President would be fantastic. But it would be trailblazing in the US political system, a tough row to hoe.
 
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