US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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It seems like frozen assets like the ones in Qatar are part of the 300 billion being given to Iran. Most of that number is optimism based on whatever feedback the White House has gotten that Middle East countries will invest in a reforming Iran backed by the United States if Iran follows the proposed conduct of the memorandum.
They won't. Bibi's cabinet is already scheming to disrupt the detail, upset the orange geriatric and go back to the status quo of America giving Israel money forever. This has been going on for 40 years.
 
How to solve the issues in America
1) Repeal Ford vs Dodge
2) Repeal Civil Rights Act
3) Repeal Hart-Cellar
4) Mass Remigration
5) Drastic scale down of gibs
6) Eliminate stock buybacks and shift focus towards dividends not stock price.
7) Only natural born citizens can be government officials.
8) Elimnation of birthright citizenship
9) Repeal NFA and the hughes admendment
10) Purge Academia,Corporate America and the Justice system of Anti-Whites.
11) Elimination of h1b and all other labor visas.
 
Most of the US economic strategy for the past 40+ years has been taxing companies and people less with the understanding that they will achieve growth. This is called "growing yourself out of debt", and is i.e. Trump's stated rationale for tax cuts (generally everyone's since Reagan).
Companies largely grow by hiring cheap-er labor and producing more product for lower costs. Therefore, growth is met and taxes can stay down, but your living standards go down as immigrants take more and more jobs that "belong to Americans".
So we're talking corporate taxes, not 'my' taxes. Im not disagreeing that companies are subsidized with cheap laborers and taxes, those things however only relate together by virtue of the politicians and business leaders supply-siding the economy. One does not cause the other in isolation the way you implied.
As a minor aside, immigrants also pay social security/medicare/medicaid taxes while not being entitled to any of those benefits IN THEORY (as they are citizen benefits). Those 3 are the biggest drains on the national budget by far, so having people pay into them and not have to give them anything back is actually a great deal for the government, and also adds on to keeping taxes low.
Assuming we're talking illegal laborers:

Social security is paid through payroll taxes. Illegal migrants are paid under the table and so do not pay into payroll, nor do their employers.

Medicare is funded at a federal level and while as you say IN THEORY they cannot access these resources, specific states tend to have work-arounds or immigrant-specific programs to compensate. Who's paying for those programs? Not illegals because they don't pay income taxes.

The only tax illegals really pay for is sales tax when they buy stuff here, which I assume is doing most of the heavy lifting in figures meant to prop them up as tax payers.

If we talk legal immigrants your math makes more sense but not by much. A great degree of our dollars end up leaving the country through remittances that way and whatever pittance of a tax we charge them on this doesn't compensate for the money leaving our native economy so that money has to be replaced by printing more which effectively is a tax on the real wealth and purchasing power of Americans.

Anyways all this didn't pan out because the government didn't use all this surplus of amazing really, growth, to pay down the debt, it just increased spending (i.e. on the military). This leads to you now being faced with higher taxes, but the companies and government can't really afford to kick off immigrants, because they still need to keep wages suppressed (so the companies can keep growing).

It didn't pan out because they intentionally hollowed out the wealth and prosperity of the working class. The forced mass influx of immigrant labor legal or otherwise was class warfare since inception.
 
This is good.

Did he talk about uranium?
Yes, it would take billions and years to get t back to enrichment, all of Iran's concessions are tied to the destruction of the stockpiles and not trying to restart the program. Nothing is given upfront except ending the blockade tied to opening the straight.
It seems like frozen assets like the ones in Qatar are part of the 300 billion being given to Iran. Most of that number is optimism based on whatever feedback the White House has gotten that Middle East countries will invest in a reforming Iran backed by the United States if Iran follows the proposed conduct of the memorandum.
No they are separate. The frozen assests stay frozen for the foreseeable future, none have been released
The 300 billion dollar plan in paragraph 6 is allowing reconstruction investments from other countries to happen through sanctions as the country rebuilds for years.
 
You're attacking Eyal
I'm attacking Eyal because his gaping jewish asshole has been spurting blood for 4 fuckign days over this deal.

Back to the topic at hand, what JD said to end that press conference was pure cinema. can't find a clip yet but hwen I do i'll post it.

Bibi's cabinet would do well to understand Trump is the only world leader that supports Israel, and 2/3 of the weapons protecting the jewish "homeland" was made by american hands and paid for with american money. LEARN YOUR FUCKING PLACE YOU BLOOD THIRSTY FAGGOTS.

Ben Gvir better take this message, that terrorist supporting heeb rat.

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@Catch The Rainbow come get your boy, i've heard you praise this fuckign faggot before. Just so people know who and what ctr supports and condones.

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Maybe this fat little thug can go to iran and pull his pistol out and see how that works out for him.

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Just for grins, look at this little nazi throwing up a roman.. I had it on good authority only nazis did this.

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I don't really care one way or the other about most jews, i can't imagine many people do. But faggots like this BEING IN BIBI'S FUCKIGN CABINET is disgustingly evil.
 
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12.5 million barrels went through straight last night
That's roughly 10-15 tankers. Before the war 130 tankers transited the Strait per day on average. It'll take at least a year to get back to that number if things remain calm.

The 300 billion is allowing investment from other countries through sanctions. Thank fucking God someone asked specifics paragraph 6 is the better option I guessed. It is allowing foreign investments in Iran through sanctions, it is not money given to Iran to rebuild. It is also a far off aspect of the deal.
China will jump at that opportunity to modernize Iran's oil infrastructure. China is ultimately the biggest winner in all of this. I suspect they'll be Iran's protectorate when this is over.
 
Yes, it’s getting downblended by American personnel under IAEA supervision. They’ll probably run some tracing to see where and when they got it too.
They probably got it from European countries, funneled through the UNRWA, and that will give the US a solid case to invade Europe and keep it this time.
 
The one positive outcome
That and BRICS being kneecapped all year. China/India is going to be bent over the table in trade deals.

No one can rationalize to me that doing a trillion dollars in infrastructure damage and slaughtering what little competent leadership Iran had somehow hasn’t hurt BRICS.

I mean obviously the BEST outcome would have been Israel blown into thirds by Iran, followed by an american backed persian regime change. But simply terrorizing BRICS is victory enough.

Reminder that China is on a race against time to stop their economy from blowing up before their pensions start bleeding them out.
 
So we're talking corporate taxes, not 'my' taxes.
We're talking about both. It's very likely that corporate taxes mostly stay down while your taxes go up though.
Social security is paid through payroll taxes. Illegal migrants are paid under the table and so do not pay into payroll, nor do their employers.
Actually there is a report about this from the (republican) house budget committee that directly disputes this argument but agrees that the ILLEGAL immigrants are generally a net drain.
I was talking about immigration in general, including (legal) immigrants.
as you say IN THEORY
Yes I am 100% certain most of those things are worked around. I don't know the exact extent and I think it still feeds into the government's logic, just my 2c. I don't have a strong position on this other than "immigrants shouldn't have access to citizen services and benefits".
It didn't pan out because they intentionally hollowed out the wealth and prosperity of the working class. The forced mass influx of immigrant labor legal or otherwise was class warfare since inception.
I don't know if it was intentional or not, but at this point I think it's kind of difficult to see how we manage to handle it. @Mister Fister just posted a list of suggestions that if you read you'll understand that they're probably never ever ever ever happening.
 
We're talking about both. It's very likely that corporate taxes mostly stay down while your taxes go up though.

Actually there is a report about this from the (republican) house budget committee that directly disputes this argument but agrees that the ILLEGAL immigrants are generally a net drain.
I was talking about immigration in general, including (legal) immigrants.

Yes I am 100% certain most of those things are worked around. I don't know the exact extent and I think it still feeds into the government's logic, just my 2c. I don't have a strong position on this other than "immigrants shouldn't have access to citizen services and benefits".

I don't know if it was intentional or not, but at this point I think it's kind of difficult to see how we manage to handle it. @Mister Fister just posted a list of suggestions that if you read you'll understand that they're probably never ever ever ever happening.
The solution is to crash the economy as it exists today.

That sucks, its unfortunate that our society is/was run by economically illiterate and existentially unconcerned drunken boomers who failed to learn from slavery's impact on the overall longevity of the Romans, but such is life.

Its a price I'm willing to pay. Send them back in as large a number as possible. You can put a price on a loaf of bread but not on the existential security of your people.
 
I don't know if it was intentional or not, but at this point I think it's kind of difficult to see how we manage to handle it. @Mister Fister just posted a list of suggestions that if you read you'll understand that they're probably never ever ever ever happening.
At this present time yes, but who knows as the Overton window shifts. Policies are made from the coffeehouse discussions 20-30 years previous. Also, remember that Trump is the most moderate of the coming leaders. The philosophical base of the Millenial and younger Right almost throws out the Englightment. The Internet is the Printing Press 2.0 here.
 
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