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draggs dijo:
We've been asking why the taxation of trade routes for 30 years already
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It's funny how media discourse went from "talking about taxes and trade routes in a war movie is stupid" to "what was Aragorn's tax policy?"

Ghostse dijo:
Have her use a Magnaguard weapon
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That would make perfect sense, given that Rey lives in a junkyard planet. Have her go into the bowels of a Separatist cruiser, find a defunct Magnaguard, have her pick up the staff, and find out that it still has juice after all these years. Then have her kick Kylo Ren's sorry ass with it.
 
LORD IMPERATOR dijo:
The Empire would win conventionally with TIE Defenders
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Defenders are the most overrated ships in Star Wars by a country mile, the Avenger does everything it does better and in a package that doesn't require that every single hangar bay be rebuilt to accommodate an even stupider form factor than the standard issue TIE. They also don't fit into Imperial doctrine at all, the Interceptor was more than enough for the Empire's needs and was probably what the final production model would've been anyway due to all the issues with the Defender's design.
Adamska dijo:
I always interpreted them as fighter bombers.
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I see them as Boom & Zoom fighters with good ordinance capacity, they're probably the actual fastest fighter in the Rebellion's roster but they don't have the acceleration of the A or X-Wings so they get relegated to bomber duties when they're working together.
 
Replacement Account dijo:
The nemoidians should have just upped their lobbying game, instead they were tricked by space satan.
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They needed his help to keep the Senate away. Without it, the Senate would've likely acted faster to crippe the Trade Federation.

That, and Nute Gunray literally came to power because of Sidious' machinations. If he spat in Sidious' face, Darth Maul would lop off his head.

Midwit dijo:
Defenders are the most overrated ships in Star Wars by a country mile, the Avenger does everything it does better and in a package that doesn't require that every single hangar bay be rebuilt to accommodate an even stupider form factor than the standard issue TIE.
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It's still funny to spam Defenders at the enemy. In both Rebellion and Empire at War, my main fleet's fighters were all TIE Defenders, so they basically killed the shit out of enemy fighters before bombing enemy capital ships. Before my capital ships could even get to the enemy fleet.

It's actually kind of funny to figure out that was the original plan that the Disney Canon Empire had in mind, until Phoenix Squadron utterly fucked Thrawn over.

Midwit dijo:
They also don't fit into Imperial doctrine at all, the Interceptor was more than enough for the Empire's needs and was probably what the final production model would've been anyway due to all the issues with the Defender's design.
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The Emperor saw that and was trying to upgrade as many TIEs into Interceptors. By the time of the Battle of Endor, 20% of all TIEs were Interceptors.
 
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LORD IMPERATOR dijo:
It's still funny to spam Defenders at the enemy. In both Rebellion and Empire at War, my main fleet's fighters were all TIE Defenders, so they basically killed the shit out of enemy fighters before bombing enemy capital ships. Before my capital ships could even get to the enemy fleet.
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Sadly I was to based for this strategy. I just build the consortium ships that look like giant guns, snipe all enemy capital ships/shipyard then retreat
 
BubbaRobot887 dijo:
Pretty sure that's his wife.
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I have learned my linux VMs ms paint equivalent just for this occasion
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Madalorian Suit Actor Brendan Wayne Blasts ‘Toxic’ Star Wars Fans While Defending ‘The Mandalorian and Grogu’s’ Box Office Failure
Marvin Montanaro
June 13, 2026

The blame game surrounding Disney's Star Wars struggles is showing no signs of slowing down, and now one of the actors behind Din Djarin himself is weighing in. Brendan Wayne, one of the performers who physically portrays the Mandalorian in The Mandalorian and The Mandalorian and Grogu, is drawing criticism from fans after describing portions of the Star Wars fanbase as "toxic" while simultaneously defending the disappointing box office performance of Lucasfilm's latest theatrical release.

The comments come as The Mandalorian and Grogu continues to be viewed by many as one of Disney's weakest theatrical Star Wars launches. Despite being positioned as the triumphant return of Star Wars to theaters following a years-long hiatus, the film struggled to generate the kind of excitement Disney and Lucasfilm had hoped for.

Brendan Wayne Calls Out Star Wars Fans​

Speaking in a recent interview highlighted by Star Wars Holocron on X, Wayne argued that some fans have become overly possessive of the franchise and are actively rooting against Star Wars projects because they no longer feel connected to the direction of the brand.

"It's interesting to see people who are pulling against the franchise they love, just because of their ownership," Wayne said. "That can be 100% toxic in the Star Wars world...It's to be present and to watch it, and if you don't connect, cool, but we don't need to hear how bad you are, that they ruined your Star Wars. They didn't ruin your Star Wars. It's our Star Wars."

That final line in particular has generated significant backlash online, with many longtime fans arguing that criticism of Disney-era Star Wars is not rooted in toxicity, but disappointment.

For many viewers, the issue isn't that they want Star Wars to fail. It's that they believe Disney and Lucasfilm have repeatedly failed to live up to the standards established by George Lucas' original six-film saga.

Fans Push Back Against The Narrative​

The reaction online was swift.

Many fans pointed out that they have enthusiastically supported Star Wars projects they believe are well made while criticizing projects they feel fall short.

One recurring argument is that if Star Wars fans were truly determined to hate everything Disney produces, acclaimed projects such as Andor and the Jedi video game series would not have received the overwhelmingly positive reception they enjoyed.

Then there's Andor, and the Jedi games. Untouched by Disney, and BELOVED by Star Wars fans. This take about Star Wars fans being toxic is always by people that do not understand why they are upset, and want to shift responsibility so they can excuse making awful movies and shows.

— (@LegendaryB200) June 13, 2026
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Instead, critics of Wayne's comments argue that Lucasfilm continues to dismiss legitimate criticism by framing dissatisfied fans as a problem rather than addressing concerns about storytelling, continuity, and the overall direction of the franchise.

Several viral responses accused Wayne of misunderstanding why fans are upset in the first place.

Others pointed directly to the performance of The Mandalorian and Grogu itself as evidence that audience enthusiasm for the brand has declined significantly.

Wayne Also Defended The Film's Box Office Performance​

Wayne's comments about fans arrive alongside separate remarks in which he defended The Mandalorian and Grogu's box office results.

While discussing Dave Filoni's long-term plans for Star Wars, Wayne suggested that too much emphasis is being placed on opening weekend comparisons and short-term financial results.

"He understands that it's not all about, did we open well against Solo, or whatever it was?" Wayne said.


He also argued that the film's lower production budget should be part of the conversation.

"We were amazing because we didn't have the budget of those movies, and we still did something."

That defense, however, is unlikely to convince many critics.

Regardless of budget discussions, The Mandalorian and Grogu opened below every previous Disney-era Star Wars theatrical release with massive drops from week to week, ultimately failing to generate the kind of cultural impact expected from one of Hollywood's most valuable franchises.

For a series that once dominated the global box office, many observers see the film's performance as further evidence that Star Wars is no longer the guaranteed blockbuster brand it once was.

The Real Debate Isn't About Toxicity​

The larger issue raised by Wayne's comments is one that has become increasingly common across modern entertainment.

When fans reject a movie, television series, or video game, are they acting out of toxicity, or are they simply expressing dissatisfaction as paying customers?

Many Star Wars fans would argue that criticism is not only fair, but necessary.

Jon Favreau on the set of The Mandalorian - Disney
After all, some of the franchise's most beloved projects emerged precisely because creators listened to audience feedback rather than dismissing it.

Whether one agrees with Wayne or not, his comments are likely to reignite an ongoing debate that has followed Star Wars for years: who ultimately owns the franchise?

According to Wayne, it's "our Star Wars." Judging by the reaction online, many fans strongly disagree.
This faggot is John Wayne's grandson in case you didn't know
 
For the last decade, we have been to blame for how Star Wars been in decline. Nevermind that it was Disney’s fault for putting Star Wars in the state that’s in.

For some reason, Hollywood continues attacking its audience for not liking their shitty looking blockbusters despite multiple films bombing.
 
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Godzilla@1989 dijo:
For the last decade, we have been to blame for how Star Wars been in decline. Nevermind that it was Disney’s fault for putting Star Wars in the state that’s in.

For some reason, Hollywood continues attacking its audience for not liking their shitty looking blockbusters despite multiple films bombing.
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It can't be their fault any more than it's their fault when they tell WASP males "it's no longer for you bigot" and the umbers tank when those same WASP males say "okay" and walk. It's never their fault for making a subpar product.
 
Godzilla@1989 dijo:
Kennedy apparently threw George under the bus for pushing for the aliens in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull against Spielberg and Harrison’s own will.

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That’s why the movie, out of the four that Steven made, is the weakest. And that’s why Harrison was so deeply committed to Destiny. He didn’t want that to be the end.
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Yet it was better than the one he didn't make that they did next.

I understand the reason behind why he wanted aliens for Indy 4. What inspired Indy. What that inspiration would be in the 50s. It unfortunately didn't work with what the legacy of Indy had become. However, the execution of aliens was botched horribly.

In Raiders the ark is a mysterious box, we see it's power at the end. In Temple, the Sankara stones are some mysterious objects that seem to have power. In Crusade, the cup and everything is right at the end. In Crystal skull, you have retarded looking alien skull and they show you a dead alien very early in the film. Then, have a giant CGI alien in the later part of the film. There's no mystery to the powerful objects at the centre of the film.

You see a dead alien early on. The skulls are clearly aliens. There could be a better version of that film where the skulls are actual crystal human skulls. Questions over if they have power. Indy being skeptical about them being aliens. Things all go down at the end, we don't see an alien at all. Then when we get the shot of Indy and the silver UFO it is a big wow moment.

I can't say my recollection of tales about the film is accurately sourced, but my understanding is that the disagreements with the scripts lead to them all agreeing to make one that no one was quite happy with. Lucas was the last hold out. The script that Spielberg and Harrison agreed to, that Lucas insisted on another rewrite, was considered to be worse than what we got. It was a case of them all knowing it wasn't working and just deciding it was good enough.

It's just so hard to not watch Crystal Skull and see the direction and know that a better version of that film wasn't actually that far away. There are a lot of bad choices made in the execution. While I could write a much larger post, I'll just give a few. Don't show the alien. Don't have the fridge, fly and bounce around in a cartoony manner. Don't have the psychic spy following Christmas lights. That scene where Marion drives them off a cliff into a tree is a misunderstanding of the unconventional method to get out of an impossible situation.
 
@Screamer_2 I might be alone on this and it might raise a few eyebrows, but I think unlike Disney SW and Dial of Destiny, I appreciated the basic structure of Indy having a son with Marion and trying to be a better father to Mutt. Yes, the execution left a lot to be desired, but the scenes between Indy and Mutt were really great and just needed more polish in the script.

Kingdom of Crystal Skull is a mess and I won’t defend it like I do with the prequels, but unlike Disney Star Wars and Dial of Destiny, there’s a lot of good elements that try to make the film work - Spielberg’s directing is still very well done, John Williams’s score is excellent, the 50s setting has real life and atmosphere to them, and Cate Blanchett is excellent as the main villain. It’s just a shame all do that is buried under a gawky script. It’s one of those scripts that clearly needed several more polishing and rewrites before the green light.
 
While Ahsoka's lightsaber is a shoto variant, the reference book The Mandalorian Visual Guide confirmed a new variation known as katana lightsaber for her other lightsaber.
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