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I don't believe Khashoggi was working with the CIA and the US/CIA has fostered a good relationship with MBN. The Washington Post was yuckity-yuck with the Brotherhood because they hate America and Israel like the Brotherhood does.
I should clarify something: it's true that many Americans favored Mohammed bin Nayef, but MBN was outmaneuvered politically by MBS. MBN also has an ongoing addiction to opiates, which is due to the assassination attempt in 2009 by Al Qaeda. He didn't get bored and start popping pills, he was injured (likely worse than the government let on).

MBS is more willing to commit Saudi Arabia to regional issues, such as toppling Iran, while MBN is older and more cautious.
 
I should clarify something: it's true that many Americans favored Mohammed bin Nayef, but MBN was outmaneuvered politically by MBS. MBN also has an ongoing addiction to opiates, which is due to the assassination attempt in 2009 by Al Qaeda. He didn't get bored and start popping pills, he was injured (likely worse than the government let on).

MBS is more willing to commit Saudi Arabia to regional issues, such as toppling Iran, while MBN is older and more cautious.
I think MBS is the actual defacto Sultan.
 
They also work with the CIA. For example, Jamal Khashoggi (a Washington Post JOURNALIST executed in a Turkeeyryeye embasy by MBS :'(:'() was the Brotherhood's man in Saudi Arabia. His father Adnan Khashoggi was Jeffery Epstein's main client.
I've long suspected that the main reason Khashoggi was nurked was because MBS figured out that the CIA was using him to foment a color revolution in Saudi Arabia. WaPo's been a known glowie mouthpiece for a long time.
 
I think MBS is the actual defacto Sultan.
Correct. MBS is the leader of Saudi Arabia. He runs the government. Mohammed bin Nayef was a Crown Prince and poised for leadership, but he was pressured to abdicate and make way for Mohammed bin Salman. King Salman is still de jure king, but he's been head of state. He's more like the figurehead while MBS runs everything.
 
I don't believe Khashoggi was working with the CIA and the US/CIA has fostered a good relationship with MBN. The Washington Post was yuckity-yuck with the Brotherhood because they hate America and Israel like the Brotherhood does.
Khashoggi was meeting with all of the US-aligned security ministers in SA, trying to foment a coup against MBS. I don't know he was working with/for the intel networks, but I can see the way the wind is blowing.

US interests have warmed significantly to MBS, but at the time of his rise, they were upset that they had no way to control him. It's pretty close to the situation with Trump where they've figured out where they can work together and aren't catastrophizing as much as before.

Both are realists who are willing to work as gray as necessary in order to accomplish worthwhile goals.
 
I've long suspected that the main reason Khashoggi was nurked was because MBS figured out that the CIA was using him to foment a color revolution in Saudi Arabia. WaPo's been a known glowie mouthpiece for a long time.
Khashoggi was meeting with all of the US-aligned security ministers in SA, trying to foment a coup against MBS. I don't know he was working with/for the intel networks, but I can see the way the wind is blowing.

US interests have warmed significantly to MBS, but at the time of his rise, they were upset that they had no way to control him. It's pretty close to the situation with Trump where they've figured out where they can work together and aren't catastrophizing as much as before.
The Saudis killed Khashoggi because he was an effective journalist with significant international influence in the West and the Middle East. Trump was already buddies with MBS and MBN was already ousted before Khashoggi's murder. I would argue Khashoggi's assassination was unnecessary, since MBS already consolidated his political control. Khashoggi was more of a thorn in the side of the Saudi establishment at that point, but MBN is known to be a hothead.
I've never seen their flag in a US congressman's office.
CAIR does not have a flag.
 
The Saudis killed Khashoggi because he was an effective journalist with significant international influence in the West and the Middle East.
They could have just banned him from the country if they wanted a nuisance gone. You don't have your personal security team break into a foreign embassy and cut a Brother into takeout pieces because he's inconvieneint. MBS did it to send a message to the powers who were trying to have him deposed. He is not some wild ass nigger who does that sort of thing on a whim.
 
The Saudis killed Khashoggi because he was an effective journalist with significant international influence in the West and the Middle East. Trump was already buddies with MBS and MBN was already ousted before Khashoggi's murder. I would argue Khashoggi's assassination was unnecessary, since MBS already consolidated his political control. Khashoggi was more of a thorn in the side of the Saudi establishment at that point, but MBN is known to be a hothead.

CAIR does not have a flag.
They killed Kashogi because he was an arms dealer. afaik his "journalism" is 1 hit piece on some American newspaper. His main job was dealing luxuries in the ME, even Trump bought stuff from him.
 
They could have just banned him from the country if they wanted a nuisance gone. You don't have your personal security team break into a foreign embassy and cut a Brother into takeout pieces because he's inconvieneint. MBS did it to send a message to the powers who were trying to have him deposed. He is not some wild ass nigger who does that sort of thing on a whim.
Correct. MBS did that to send a message, albeit an unintentionally stupid one since the Saudis botched it. The Israeli connection via Pegasus did not help the situation.
wow we have terrorists occupying offices on capitol hill? i am SHOCKED
 
They killed Kashogi because he was an arms dealer. afaik his "journalism" is 1 hit piece on some American newspaper. His main job was dealing luxuries in the ME, even Trump bought stuff from him.
But why then and there? What made bumping off an arms dealer such an imperative that a distinctly strategic thinker like MBS would risk an international incident over it?
 
They killed Kashogi because he was an arms dealer. afaik his "journalism" is 1 hit piece on some American newspaper. His main job was dealing luxuries in the ME, even Trump bought stuff from him.
Khashoggi had a long journalistic career in the Middle East starting in 1985. He was a long time correspondent in many Muslim countries and likely worked with the CIA during the Soviet-Afghan War. Khashoggi famously tried to convince Osama bin Laden (three times!) not to pursue his fight against the US.

Khashoggi was also one time a member of Saudi intelligence and his criticism of the Saudi royal family goes back to the 80's. To Khashoggi's credit, he was highly critical of King Salman's support for the Afghan mujihadeen.

Khashoggi is a very interesting character, to say the least.
 
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