US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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FILTH Tourist dijo:
Even outside the Bible, Constantine the Great had a battlefield conversation because God answered his prayers for victory. He would later go on to lay the ground work of legalizing and legitimizing Christianity in the Roman Empire which would lay the foundation for Catholicism.
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This is a story I've come to eye very suspiciously, at least in my very layman's opinion, as it is in pretty direct conflict with the message of Christ creating a new kingdom in the hearts of men rather than of the empires of the world. It holds parallels to the temptations in the desert in Matthew chapter 4:8-10:

"Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.” Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’"

It's ended up being a question of whether it were God or the devil who had made a convert of Constantine. What Constantine laid was a foundation with inherent flaws that compounded over the years, and where he lead a relatively good Christian life on his own it is in these moments that the Ecclesiastical issues began to corrupt into the modern form of the churches we see nowadays, especially some decades later after Rome itself took Christianity as the state religion when it became a truly malignant force. One man was saved but magnitudes more found themselves stuck in the church systems which do not entirely revolve around the words of Christ, instead finding new chains among post-Christ history and the societal norms that evolved from their counsels and discussions.

It's been these thoughts that occupy my mind this Easter. It's been through pondering the reasons for Christ needing to die for us without any alternative paths available that it becomes most apparent that it is the simple and pure message of his death that finishes the story - and further thought opens avenues for corruption. There is value in understanding everything that has happened after Christ's resurrection and ascent back into heaven, but it is tertiary information and not the foundation for a Christian heart. What is truly important is understanding Christ's sacrifice as the basis.

The lens through which this current Catholic church(along with so many others) makes their claims is tainted by their histories. Their arguments are twisted words of Christ and find their foundation in the world they find themselves in, contextualized by their own surroundings and the ideas of others they become their own independent thing. There is just a tinge of Christ within it, a thin veil to cover their own thoughts and desires, and I trace this all back to Emporer Constantine and the battle of Milvian Bridge.
 
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I don't think this is going to go the way that they think it will go
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AnitaSarsleezian dijo:
Lol no joke - A few years ago I played a show in Dallas and there was snow or whatever the Texans called "snow" that day. It actually looked like a barely there layer of white sand blowing across the street and no joke, it was just bedlam. The driver who picked me up from the airport told me that accidents were off the charts because Texans have no idea how to drive in snow and have no infrastructure to deal with it like snow plows. He told me they'd have to go slow on the highway to my hotel because the cars were sliding all over. He dropped me off at my hotel and I walked to a Subway sandwich shop to grab a quick bite and there was a sign in the window "Closed due to snowstorm". I'd have to dig it out but I know I have a photo somewhere I took of the front of that shop with the sign and the view of the sidewalk where most of the dusting had already blown away. It was like some bizzare Monty Python skit. At least it was to this New Yorker where back home this wouldn't have even been reported as more than a sunny day.
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Once I was in San Antonio and it was cold, low was going to be like 40, and they were throwing out ice melt in front of my hotel...
 
Dead Lion dijo:
Instead of ya know, using his own massive platform to do so and not sticking his neck out at public events.
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The neck comment is too far! Charlie came to me in a dream and i need you to know that you will bathe in the lake of fire for that!
 
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babyDunk dijo:
Go to the catholic thread on this site, shite is enlightening indeed.

I have no idea why they have trouble acknowledging that there are political slants and men(including the Pope) will use the word to back their political slant. If you press any of em on that they bot out and declare no such thing is happening/matters.

Suuuuuuper weird
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Any debate with catholics on the kiwifarms goes like this: "The Pope didn't say that --> okay he said it but journalists twisted it --> okay he said it directly but that particular statement doesn't count as authoritative --> okay but you're misunderstanding what he meant --> okay but the Pope isn't the whole Church. --> okay but Jesus would do/say the same thing." And then they cope and say: "Still he is our spiritual and moral leader that commands respect."

But to kill any Catholic discussion, look at this Kiwifarms thread (thread) (official vatican.va)
The homily of pope Leo is published on Vatican.va as an official papal document. It frames nationalism explicitly as morally incompatible with Christian love, grounded in Pentecost theology and the commandment of love. It was delivered in the most formal liturgical context that exists (with 42 cardinals, 200 bishops, and 250 priests). Any Catholic claiming this is just a personal political opinion the Pope happened to have is now arguing against the formal publication record of the Vatican itself, which archives this as an official teaching document. And it has a lovely quote like:
"She (The Church) must open the borders between peoples and break down the barriers between class and race."

And to kill Catholics with their own laws, here is Canon 752 of the binding 1983 Code of Canon Law, currently in force:
"Can. 752 Although not an assent of faith, a religious submission of the intellect and will must be given to a doctrine which the Supreme Pontiff or the college of bishops declares concerning faith or morals when they exercise the authentic magisterium, even if they do not intend to proclaim it by definitive act; therefore, the Christian faithful are to take care to avoid those things which do not agree with it." (source)

And to further give examples of Institutional Catholic Church acting against national interests:
  • "Early in the duke’s rule the pope’s Holy Office even went so far as to condemn all three million Netherlanders to death as heretics, and ten days later Philip II confirmed the decree." (source)
  • Pope Pius IX's Quanta Cura and its attached Syllabus of Errors (1864) formally condemned as errors propositions that are the direct foundation of the American republic, including:
    • Condemned: "the people's will, manifested by public opinion, constitutes a supreme law free from all divine and human control"
    • Condemned: "That the Church should be separated from the State"
    • Condemned: "permission should be given to citizens to manifest their opinions openly by word of mouth, through the press, or by any other means"
The natural follow-up question is: was the Syllabus ever retracted/affirmed?
It was never formally retracted. But Vatican II's Dignitatis Humanae (1965) declared that the human person has a right to religious freedom, affirming as a civil right exactly what the Syllabus condemned as an error. Rome's official position is that this is not a contradiction but a "development of doctrine." (Thanks John Henry Newman) The problem is that both traditionalist Catholic scholars and progressive Catholic scholars agree it IS a reversal, but they disagree if it is good or bad.

This creates an inescapable ?trilemma? Rome cannot escape from:
Option 1: The Syllabus was correct --> Vatican II's Dignitatis Humanae is heresy --> the post-Vatican II Church is in error. This is the position of the SSPX, whose founder Archbishop Lefebvre pointed out that accepting Vatican II requires believing that "for two millennia, popes, saints, Fathers and Doctors of the Church, bishops, and Catholic kings constantly violated the natural rights of men without anyone in the Church noticing." (source)
Option 2: Dignitatis Humanae is correct --> the Syllabus was wrong --> a pope formally taught error in a solemn magisterial document --> the entire magisterial system's credibility collapses.
Option 3: Rome's "hermeneutic of continuity" is correct and there's no real contradiction --> you must believe something that both traditionalist and progressive Catholic scholars reject as logically strained.

Pick your poison. Catholics go to hell anyways. Under Sola Scriptura this problem never would have existed, because the Word of God would have been the fixed standard throughout and not an accumulating pile of contradicting papal documents.
 
Buttigieg2020 dijo:
Panama’s Supreme Court Cucked China.
Even better, it didn’t go to Blackrock. (For now.)
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Larry Fink isn't your enemy, but the CCP definitely are. Giving important property in the Panama Canal to DENMARK? Fuck that. Europe can be the enemy too.

It's time to war with Denmark, take Greenland, and the god damn canal. This is obviously an attack on American purview in the region, and a violation of the Roosevelt Corollary to the Monroe Doctrine. Europe must die. There's simply no other solution.
 
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