Iran Crisis ∩ Trump Politics Mass Debates Thread

Thank god for American (((Catholics))) at least they publish the names of people who are on these kind of boards. They are a little bit more secretive about it in Germany.

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That's a list of lawyers that work for the charity. They aren't on the board and they are following Vatican guidance while being funded by the Vatican. The Catholic church is promoting mass immigration and paying for it because it gives them power.
 
Trump was never antiwar he was anti-stupid wars fought stupidly by previous stupid presidents and their retarded generals.

Absolute isolationism doesn't work in a globally connected world. America First involves making strategic decisions that ensure America remains stronger than it's enemies. Personally, I'd rather blow up the Islamic Republic and stick a dagger in China's eye with military action now than face a much worse confrontation with a more powerful China years down the road.
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My body woke itself up from anxiety at around two in the morning, as we hadn't gotten official official confirmation of his safety when I went to bed.
The wave of relief I felt upon opening this thread and seeing that we got him out is hard to describe.
Fuck Islam. Fuck Iran. Fuck the Mullahs. Fuck the IRGC. Fuck all their commie buddies. Fuck Hasan. And motherfuck France.
Now let's nuke what remains of these seventh-century sandniggers, and never have to deal with them ever again.
Not only did we get our man back, the killed tons of muzzies just to bring him back. Sick!

I'm gonna bite this bait real quick. What in the fuck could possibly be criticized about the Maduro thing?
 
Basically. They didn't wanna have have 2 war threads like with the Ukraine War (ziggers vs piggers) but by exiling any posts critical of the war here you get a similar dynamic
Before Russo-Ukrainian War thread was officially split into two there was already simillar situation to current one with Iranian war. Two threads one on A&N board and other on Happenings board.
One with ziggers other with piggers. I think split will also be made official if Middle Eastern war drags on. And unfortunately I fear it will
 
I don't understand how modern war works. If you're going to war why are you not immediately taking out all their air defenses and air fields to gain complete air control? It's not like you can't spot where most of it is and deal with it in 1 switch strike. Same with stuff like boats trying to secure the sea. Why isn't America going gloves off and completely disarming Iran? Who thinks it's a good idea to play baby games like this instead of burning them to the ground?
Not all air defenses are the same.

At the upper end, you have shit like RIM-161, THAAD, maybe S-500(?), HQ-19, etc. these are basically specialized anti-ballistic missile platforms made to hit targets in fucking space (or at least the upper atmosphere) and also have anti-satellite capabilities. They are fuckhuge and unless mounted to a ship require massive radars that are loud and hard to move.

Just below that you have RIM-174, Patriot, Aster-30, and S-400/S-300 which can hit moving targets from hundreds of miles away, including both ballistic missiles and jet fighters, etc. but also require big loud radar to operate. They are more mobile than the anti-ballistic, but still require multiple vehicles with radar, command equipment, etc, and time to set up/take down.

Then you kind of have a spectrum of medium range into short range air defenses. Likely still using radar. They can hit targets roughly "within the same side of the county/city".

Lastly, you have your shortest, shortest range shit. This includes manually aimed or infrared aimed AA guns, shoulder fired missiles and other short-range passive infrared missile systems.
The advantage to these is they are cheaper, easier to move, easier to hide, don't let the enemy know they are being targeted, etc. The disadvantage is basically they can only hit targets right in their neighborhood, and usually at lower altitudes.

A good air defense is going to be a mix of all tiers as they all do different jobs.
A RIM-161 is going to stop a ballistic missile from impacting the presidents house, while a Stinger missile is going to stop a helicopter from landing 3 blocks away.

What has happened is the US (and Israel) has wiped out all of Irans bigger stuff (S-300, Bavar-373), most all of its medium stuff, but Iran might still have a lot of short range, low altitude stuff that's harder to seek and destroy - but does less to stop their assets from getting bombed day in and day out.

I reject that framing and I reject the idea that a bunch of faggot nerds can math and science their way
That's cool.
However, I reject your framing.

Are we winning yet
Yes.
 
"if you notice us circlejerking, its actually you that are circlejerking!"
brilliant
Austistic faggots sperging about machinery like they really know what the fuck is going on... I'd rather hear someone with a heart and an idea of the big picture, rather than someone who memorizes all the kinds of planes there are and uses that to justify this retarded war.
Debating the fine points is what you magafags want. Its not about if this war is bad or not, its about how many planes we have and if we can really win. I reject that framing and I reject the idea that a bunch of faggot nerds can math and science their way through a subject that requires humanity/heart to understand - not their soulless computer minds.
Are you fucking blind? Open your goddamn eyes and read, this is a news/ coverage thread so of course there are going to be people talking about logistics and confirming whether statements by either side are correct with regards to what is being shown, for example these two (1, 2) posts by @Phillip Green and @Scout Trooper verifying whether it was accurate reporting from a media source stating that A-10 warthogs had been shot down

If you want to huff your own farts and discuss whether your transcendental mind can morally justify whether blowing apart a country of brainwashed religious nuts is ok, please fuck off to the debate thread I have it on good authority that they love your kind over there
 
Laura Loomer was responsible for the firing of Nate Swanson. Nate Swanson was formerly on Trump's Iran negotiation team and even predicted that getting engaged in a conflict with Iran would lead to a closure of the strait of hormuz. ZOG princess and professional Trump concubine Laura realized that it would be harder to accomplish Israel's mission if someone with a brain was still on trumps team so she got him fired. Then using her jewish beauty she convinced the old senile man that sending white Americans to die in Iran for Israel was based and the right thing to do.
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The ZOG princess that manipulated Trump with her beauty and sexual favors.
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Nate Swanson was formerly on Trump's Iran negotiation team and even predicted that getting engaged in a conflict with Iran would lead to a closure of the strait of hormuz
learn to read, he wasn't part of Trump's NSC. Has no power to influence anything:


NATE SWANSON spent nearly two decades in the U.S. government, including most recently as the National Security Council’s director for Iran. Days before the U.S. bombed Iran, Swanson published a piece predicting that Iran would do exactly what it has done should the U.S. attack.
That’s expertise President DONALD TRUMP had available to him — until Swanson, an BARACK OBAMA holdover, was “forced out” of his post after a critical tweet from LAURA LOOMER, Swanson said. Neither the White House nor Loomer returned a request for comment.
If you were still there at the NSC, what advice would you give to the president today?
You’re not gonna be able to control the off-ramp. Iran is not going to capitulate, so the idea that you’re gonna be able to unilaterally set the off-ramp isn’t going to happen. Either you’re going to have to escalate or you’re going to have to compromise. And so those are just the two options.

He was also forced out last year in May after Loomers post about him.
 
The worst part of it is that when they fall, they will being down the embryonic but growing right movements all over the western world.
yeah its america's fault euro and jap right wingers are oppressed, not their respective governments hamstringing them, or in the case of jap and the uk, party leadership self sabotaging with offers to bring in millions of jeets. its america's fault German intelligence prematurely labeled the AfD a terror group.

America had a deal which gave the IAEA oversight over the Iranian nuclear program, the fat pedophile ripped it up. According to Israel, Iran's been two weeks away from nuking them for 40 years. Total bullshit, not even worth dignifying with a response. Even if they did get a nuke, the only "people" who would need to be worried are the rats in Tel Aviv. Oh no!
did iran attempt to build a nuclear weapon? yes or no? if attempt then war. by all accounts they have been attempting to make nuclear warheads.

"We" being Israel and Saudi Arabia, of course.

The Gulf was open, oil and fertilizer were flowing, there was no problem from our perspective.
we as in americans, we want those iranian natural resources to counter chinese supply.

and again, there are two straits being contested, the hormuz is oil and the red sea is asian imports to europe. the red sea being closed increased euro inflation by billions and quintupled shipping costs. those two are connected because they're closed by iran directly and indirectly.
 
Literally in the article you're quoting.

He was fired as a Trump advisor this month. I'm convinced you're genuinely retarded.
archive didn't save the updated article:

Loomer did not return comment and a White House official, speaking on background, noted that Swanson did not serve on the National Security Council in the Trump administration.

 
Austistic faggots sperging about machinery like they really know what the fuck is going on... I'd rather hear someone with a heart and an idea of the big picture, rather than someone who memorizes all the kinds of planes there are and uses that to justify this retarded war.
Debating the fine points is what you magafags want. Its not about if this war is bad or not, its about how many planes we have and if we can really win. I reject that framing and I reject the idea that a bunch of faggot nerds can math and science their way through a subject that requires humanity/heart to understand - not their soulless computer minds.
Guess it's time to tap the sign again. You guys really need to start coming up with some new rhetorical tactics:
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Literally seems to be converting to Islam and you guys still think he is controlled by Jews.
Could you at least try taking this seriously? I'm having an Easter pub lunch, with a beloved little girl clutching at me. It's a bit chilly, but the daffodils are out and the cherry tree is blooming. There's a Lab snuffling around for scraps.

We're all going to suffer from your President's demented caprices. Including you.
 
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