Iran Crisis ∩ Trump Politics Mass Debates Thread

Because there are people in this country with no loyalty to the nation Israel and just want to see it crash and burn so they can give the ashes away to foreign brown people.

Fighting a war for Israel is not in the interest of the US. We are told that it is because 503 out of 538 members of Congress take money from AIPAC. But it's not true, no matter how often retards try and tell us it is.

You can't make a logical case that wasting hundreds of billions of dollars of US taxpayer money just to attack a country that wasn't a threat to us is good for the average American. In fact, I invite you to try.
 
There are 3 potential military rivals to the USA: china, russia, and iran in order of military power. All 3 of which have stated in various ways they aim to destroy the west and force upon it the humiliation they felt during colonialism or post cold war in russia's case.
This current debacle is simply showing how ineffective the US military is at removing a hostile regime. If they can't even risk a ground incursion to take out this so-called military rival, how could they possibly take on a nuclear power like Russia or China?
We are currently destroying with the 3rd most powerful army on that list while significantly hindering the other two, and you guys are in here crying that we've suffered about 1/10th the losses we did in the opening months of iraq and because heckin kikes are benefitting from our actions
How is the Chinese military being hindered by the US? Would the US military be able to effectively intervene if China attempted a military capture of Taiwan right now? Also how is Russia being deterred, when it's making hand-over-fist in oil sales and openly telegraphing a renewed summer offensive in Ukraine? The US military losses aren't the issue here, it's America's prioritizing Israel over everyone else that's going to make its other allies reconsider any defense agreement in the future.
If you think jews shipping migrants in and fucking with our culture is bad, wait until you see what it's like to have foreign armed forces marching in your streets.
Russia doesn't have the ability to CoD MW3 into Europe. Complete farce, and China has no ambition to become the new world police after watching how it affected the US.
 
The main thread unironically thinks there is a group calling themselves the shahs immortals. Hoi4 brain rot moment

Between their obsession with reestablishing an artificially propped up monarchy that hasn’t existed for generations, cheerleading for the slaughter of their kin and contempt for the primary religion of the nation the Persian diaspora won’t be welcome back in Iran regardless of what happens.
 
Man.. now Mark Levin is lobbying Trump to arm the Iranian citizens and Im not kidding he said like in "Afghanistan, Honduras, Nicaragua... etc." I noticed that fat bloated corpse didn't mention Syria, Libya, Iraq etc. Arming insane muslims is fundamentally different than arming anti communist mutts. They NEVER learn and they expect us to believe their bullshit every time. Their "high voibal IQ" must've fallen by the wayside.
Or just like Iran/Contra, where the spooks were selling weapons to the Iranians to fund regime change in Nicaragua.
 
Fighting a war for Israel is not in the interest of the US. We are told that it is because 503 out of 538 members of Congress take money from AIPAC. But it's not true, no matter how often retards try and tell us it is.

You can't make a logical case that wasting hundreds of billions of dollars of US taxpayer money just to attack a country that wasn't a threat to us is good for the average American. In fact, I invite you to try.
What would constitute a threat? Pearl harbor 2.0?

To me a bunch of towelheads saying death to america while arming proxies etc. is threat enough; add to that the fact that they are at their weakest point (Hezbollah in shambles, the loss of Syria, internal opposition etc.), this was the perfect time to strike.
 
Fighting a war for Israel is not in the interest of the US. We are told that it is because 503 out of 538 members of Congress take money from AIPAC. But it's not true, no matter how often retards try and tell us it is.

You can't make a logical case that wasting hundreds of billions of dollars of US taxpayer money just to attack a country that wasn't a threat to us is good for the average American. In fact, I invite you to try.
not a direct threat to the continental US maybe, but certainly a threat to US allies, assets and interests in one of the most strategically important regions on the planet
and their open hostility towards america is huge, this is the government that has been screeching "death to america" for decades and took the entire staff of the local US embassy hostage for over a year back in the day
 
You can't make a logical case that wasting hundreds of billions of dollars of US taxpayer money just to attack a country that wasn't a threat to us is good for the average American. In fact, I invite you to try.
The US political establishment has spent 25 years reframing armed resistance to military occupation as capital-T Terrorism, and since Iran was supplying weapons to said TERRORISTS during GWOT, we have now been told that the destruction of Iran will somehow lead to the dissolution of TERRORISM against US military occupation in the Middle East proper.
 
This current debacle is simply showing how ineffective the US military is at removing a hostile regime. If they can't even risk a ground incursion to take out this so-called military rival, how could they possibly take on a nuclear power like Russia or China?

This war has been an absolute embarrassment. We used up most of our critical munitions in the Ukraine and gunt guarding Israel previously and we’re running so low we’re begging to buy back interceptors we already sold to Ukraine and South Korea.

We’re absolutely fucked of China decides to finally retake Taiwan. We’re taking the highest air casualties since Vietnam from the Iranians. I can’t imagine the slaughterhouse the Taiwan strait would be.
 
This current debacle is simply showing how ineffective the US military is at removing a hostile regime. If they can't even risk a ground incursion to take out this so-called military rival, how could they possibly take on a nuclear power like Russia or China?
No regime change or destruction of a country has happened from just an air assault with conventional weapons. You HAVE to convert the state, at least partially, into an occupied territory to make that happen. Force the leadership into existence using vassals and then hold it all together long enough that hopefully it grafts.

Now... to be fair, Iran's unique military strength is its terrain. Almost all of it is highly defensible through bottlenecking and pinch points, with vast swaths completely unassailable by occupational military assault methods. It's also had 40 years to plan and dig into the terrain to harden its critical infrastructure in these areas. We cannot land and assault Iran without an investment that hasn't been seen since WWII, and it would take decades for us to find and remove all the pockets of dug in military resistance in the endless basin and range topography.

China and Russia cannot be compared to Iran in this sense. Both countries are vast, but the terrain is much more friendly to typical invasion mechanics which we have plenty of.
 
We’re absolutely fucked of China decides to finally retake Taiwan. We’re taking the highest air casualties since Vietnam from the Iranians. I can’t imagine the slaughterhouse the Taiwan strait would be.
As I've said before, I absolutely would not hold it against Taiwan if they offered to diplomatically reunify with China after seeing just how reliable US security guarantees have been.
 
I think these three would actually LIKE a deal because all three know there's no backing Iran in an armed conflict, and frankly, that Iran would sell them out for a bottle of water if given the chance.
Erdogan especially. He's been making moves to turn Turkey into a regional player of its own as part of his Neo-Ottoman dreams, so I'm just wonder who he is planning to stab in the back with this move, because it sure isn't to make any friends, being a disgusting cockroach and all that.
How long before Iran unleashes that ultimate weapon they were bragging about
We're on what, their third, fourth claim of some superweapon stashed away they're totally going to use on us?
The USAF jet was an EF-111A Sparkvark, for anyone wanting to know.
Imagine getting maneuvered into terrain by a fucking Aardvark of all things.
It literally took an F-15 getting shot down and a Total War deadline approaching for Trump to start pulling Biden levels of lid days.
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Unlike Biden who had a long day ahead of napping, Trump had a long day ahead of talks with the military, international diplomats so he could call their countries fake and gay right to their faces instead of social media, internal economic planners about the oil situation and what can or even should be done about it, and finally Hollywood Hulk Hogan's mom.
That's unfortunate, I would've liked to see a bit less bloodshed before this whole thing ended. The big-noses aren't exactly known for their restraint.
They could have talked it out with Bad Cop, but they decided they were too good for that. Now they get to talk with Really, Really Bad Cop.
 
No regime change or destruction of a country has happened from just an air assault with conventional weapons. You HAVE to convert the state, at least partially, into an occupied territory to make that happen. Force the leadership into existence using vassals and then hold it all together long enough that hopefully it grafts.

Now... to be fair, Iran's unique military strength is its terrain. Almost all of it is highly defensible through bottlenecking and pinch points, with vast swaths completely unassailable by occupational military assault methods. It's also had 40 years to plan and dig into the terrain to harden its critical infrastructure in these areas. We cannot land and assault Iran without an investment that hasn't been seen since WWII, and it would take decades for us to find and remove all the pockets of dug in military resistance in the endless basin and range topography.

China and Russia cannot be compared to Iran in this sense. Both countries are vast, but the terrain is much more friendly to typical invasion mechanics which we have plenty of.
So you agree that even taking out a smaller regional power like Iran is a ridiculous notion for the modern US military, unless they're willing to restart the draft. Again, Russia and China have NOOOOOOOKS, so why even waste time with terrain analysis? And no, they're also huge countries with varied terrain that would stress US logistics to the breaking point. Mass scale meatgrinder ground wars between peer countries just aren't a thing anymore.
 
I wish, but I have a medical condition that disqualifies me from any military service even if there were a draft. Also as much as Donald's been a complete retard with this war, I think a war with Iran was inevitable regardless of a Democrat or Republican being in office. Maybe not in the 2020s, but it would've happened in the next decade or two. You might as well get it over with while Iran's at their weakest point diplomatically since the 1979 Revolution.

So far, their only allies in the region after the fall of Assad is a bunch of scattered Islamist proxies. All things considered, I think we've been doing alright despite Donald starting the war over what is likely ego reasons (Wanting to be seen as the liberator of the Iranian people after about 30,000 protesters were massacred).
So you're for the war but can't serve yourself. Typical neocon warmongerer :story:

And no, a war with Iran wasn't coming. People there hated the Ayatollahs and were actively protesting their government. However, thanks to your pedo daddy's war with Iran, now people there are starting to like the Ayatollahs more. So if we had waited a few decades, Iran would be a very different country but Israel wanted war with Iran so your pedo daddy had to do it. And now the war is going disastrously and you are still cheering it on like a good little neocon
 
And conversely i'm getting sick of the "if you do anything that benefits israel whatsoever that thing is 100% the worst thing for america, for whites, for the west..."

There are 3 potential military rivals to the USA: china, russia, and iran in order of military power. All 3 of which have stated in various ways they aim to destroy the west and force upon it the humiliation they felt during colonialism or post cold war in russia's case. You guys make all sorts of mind bending arguments about how jews are secretly trying to destroy the west, while the above 3 countries and much of brics are screaming it in our face.

We are currently destroying with the 3rd most powerful army on that list while significantly hindering the other two, and you guys are in here crying that we've suffered about 1/10th the losses we did in the opening months of iraq and because heckin kikes are benefitting from our actions :(.

If you think jews shipping migrants in and fucking with our culture is bad, wait until you see what it's like to have foreign armed forces marching in your streets. This is something israel is not capable of, russia and china absolutely are at least in europe, and china is mass producing naval forces as we speak.

Honestly? I think you guys obsess over jews because it's easy. If the threats to your life are foreign militaries that want you dead, you have to deal with that problem by grabbing a gun and facing them head on, a skillset most don't have and that requires courage. On the other hand, if the problem is actually jews you can solve it by naming the jew online which fits your skillset perfectly.
Iran is not a threat to America, Israel objectively does more harm to America than Iran does.

Your entire premise is retarded.
 
China and Russia cannot be compared to Iran in this sense. Both countries are vast, but the terrain is much more friendly to typical invasion mechanics which we have plenty of.

China and Russia aren’t getting invaded. Shit would go nuclear well before that was even close. Think Fallujah was bad? Imaging fighting in this shit.

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