Iran Crisis & the 2026 War between Iran and the United States, Gulf States, and Israel - Please focus on news and coverage, not argumentation.

[WelperHelper99]

Zoroastrians low key believe Allah is the malevolent force of evil Angra Manyu,

I know that name because of Fate

 

[Scout Trooper]

What indications do we have that what comes after wouldn't be horrible? I say that as someone who got really excited for Arab Spring and was appalled at what some call the Arab Winter when Islamists retrenched.

I don't say this as an attack on you so I hope you don't take it as such. A lot of commentators shared the feeling about how the Arab Spring was going to result in western-style democracies and other fantastical outcomes.

Other than perhaps higher-level advisors to the Obama administration, knowledgeable analysts of the region knew what was going to happen in the aftermath and it wasn't going to be pretty.

There are a lot of talented, thoughtful Iranian minds inside and outside of Iran so I hope they can take the reins quickly and get some level of functioning government back quickly.

But it would be incredibly naive of me to think that is definitely going to happen. We've certainly seen how this can go the other way as evidenced by the Arab Spring.

We (Americans) have experienced firsthand what happens when you rip out the functioning organs of government in Iraq, especially ones that have training in guerilla warfare and access to stockpiles of weapons.

The Iranian people are angry and they have every right to be. If and when this regime is toppled, I hope they can use their intelligence and wisdom to integrate as many former government employees, including the IRGC, into the new order as possible.

There have been many legitimate abuses and the people who committed them should be held accountable. That said, endless witch hunts will do nothing to help get the country on its feet again.

And finally to your point, I don't know what political factions are emerging but I was told that the Green Movement lost momentum partially due to internal infighting. After the loss of the common enemy of the Ayatollah's regime, I don't know what factions will arise or how they will interact.

 

[Gandhi's Left Hook]

There is also the issue that just because Israel wants something does not necessarily mean its automatically bad. The Ayatollah getting strung up by a lamp post is for the benefit of alot of people, not just Israelis. There is so much cutting off the nose too spite the face from some of the more zog brained /pol/tards.

Honestly stabalizing the region would help Israel right now. The extremists are in power and hold onto it due to the ever present threat of foreign invaders. If that threat dissapears then moderates have a chance to take control. Anyone who dislikes Israel (or Jews in general) should be pro region stabalization for this reason alone.

If Iran becomes friendly we have less of a reason to ballwash shit allies like the gulf states.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

>the devil in Zoroastrianism is called Angry Man

Zoroastrians low key believe Allah is the malevolent force of evil Angra Manyu,

If we judge the tree by its fruit, it's difficult to disagree with this view. There are few ideologies as destructive as Islam.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I don't say this as an attack on you so I hope you don't take it as such. A lot of commentators shared the feeling about how the Arab Spring was going to result in western-style democracies and other fantastical outcomes.

Other than perhaps higher-level advisors to the Obama administration, knowledgeable analysts of the region knew what was going to happen in the aftermath and it wasn't going to be pretty.

There are a lot of talented, thoughtful Iranian minds inside and outside of Iran so I hope they can take the reins quickly and get some level of functioning government back quickly.

But it would be incredibly naive of me to think that is definitely going to happen. We've certainly seen how this can go the other way as evidenced by the Arab Spring.

We (Americans) have experienced firsthand what happens when you rip out the functioning organs of government in Iraq, especially ones that have training in guerilla warfare and access to stockpiles of weapons.

The Iranian people are angry and they have every right to be. If and when this regime is toppled, I hope they can use their intelligence and wisdom to integrate as many former government employees, including the IRGC, into the new order as possible.

There have been many legitimate abuses and the people who committed them should be held accountable. That said, endless witch hunts will do nothing to help get the country on its feet again.

And finally to your point, I don't know what political factions are emerging but I was told that the Green Movement lost momentum partially due to internal infighting. After the loss of the common enemy of the Ayatollah's regime, I don't know what factions will arise or how they will interact.

The USA under Trump has, with the example of Venezuela, moved away from the idea of wholesale Regime Change, and instead moved towards the more realistic "What will get us what we want" phase. Honestly, one of the most hilarious takes I've heard about this shift came from Arch who opined "The Pahlavi dynasty were soft and wanted to reform and they got ousted for it. Who say's the Shah of Iran has to be Persian? Trump should just make himself Shah, be more effective then sticking some puppet on the throne!"

Which is a funny absurdity belaboring a larger point. Not all countries are suited for Western style Democracies. Let alone full "elite replacement". Which has been standard procedure for regime change wars over the last half century. A better question needs to be asked, what can replace the Ayatollah that will be acceptable to the Persian people and their ruling power structures. IMO, a restoration of the Monarchy is the correct answer here, but it cannot be directly imposed. Monarchs have to be a bottom up phenomenon. part of the weakness of the Pahlavi dynasty was the inevitable fact they were put in place to deal with the overthrown communist government taking over BP's oil wells. They couldn't establish proper legitimacy.

Maybe the Crown Prince actually can do it. But I seriously doubt it because he keeps simping to western governments and talks about Democracy. A true Shah of Persia would never do this. So we really do have a pickle here. Venezuela was easy because the constitutional structure, courts system, legislature and government already existed. The issue was not the system itself, it was who was running it. Ripping maduro out of it just meant the existing system was now perfectly happy to do what it was told.

Iran is way more complicated because there is no existing structure on which we can simply rip out a few bad elements and then expect things to start working in our favor. It is in fact the classic case of the Throne being empty, and the current best contender for being Shah has been totally buck broken by fifty years in exile. He's not doing the needful, which would be to go back to his country NOW, while its still in flux and the revolutionaries need a leader. He's still sitting in his apartment in the west waiting until its safe. He's not the guy who would be King. Kings don't wait for permission to take their destined throned. They TAKE them.

So the question now is, who is the once and future Shah?

 

[Riverfagg1599]

I don't say this as an attack on you so I hope you don't take it as such. A lot of commentators shared the feeling about how the Arab Spring was going to result in western-style democracies and other fantastical outcomes.

Other than perhaps higher-level advisors to the Obama administration, knowledgeable analysts of the region knew what was going to happen in the aftermath and it wasn't going to be pretty.

There are a lot of talented, thoughtful Iranian minds inside and outside of Iran so I hope they can take the reins quickly and get some level of functioning government back quickly.

But it would be incredibly naive of me to think that is definitely going to happen. We've certainly seen how this can go the other way as evidenced by the Arab Spring.

We (Americans) have experienced firsthand what happens when you rip out the functioning organs of government in Iraq, especially ones that have training in guerilla warfare and access to stockpiles of weapons.

The Iranian people are angry and they have every right to be. If and when this regime is toppled, I hope they can use their intelligence and wisdom to integrate as many former government employees, including the IRGC, into the new order as possible.

There have been many legitimate abuses and the people who committed them should be held accountable. That said, endless witch hunts will do nothing to help get the country on its feet again.

And finally to your point, I don't know what political factions are emerging but I was told that the Green Movement lost momentum partially due to internal infighting. After the loss of the common enemy of the Ayatollah's regime, I don't know what factions will arise or how they will interact.

There are so many differences out of fundamental level that seperate this from the Arab spring by a very wide margin. For one, Arabs are not that much better than nogs as far as civility goes. They are probably around the same as Indians. Dot not feather Indians. The Iranian people have been as civilized as the Greeks if not as long as the Greeks or longer. There is and has been a cohesive national identity for a very very long time that actually usurps ethnic identity for most iranians. There is already already made political figure to fill the vacuum especially in the interim. The absolute biggest problem of free Iran is going to have is hold over islamist terrorism. But they might stamp down pretty fucking hard on it. I mean they've burned as many mosques as they have government buildings. Part of that is because the secret police there use the mosques as bases where they store food and munitions and such, but there's a lot of symbolic torching of these symbols as well. I don't think it's going to be remotely close to anything like the Arab spring. And I will put money on it.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Iran announced that protesters will face the death penalty if captured

https://www.newsweek.com/irans-prosecutor-general-threatens-protestors-with-death-penalty-11340585?

 

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Honestly stabalizing the region would help Israel right now. The extremists are in power and hold onto it due to the ever present threat of foreign invaders. If that threat dissapears then moderates have a chance to take control. Anyone who dislikes Israel (or Jews in general) should be pro region stabalization for this reason alone.

If Iran becomes friendly we have less of a reason to ballwash shit allies like the gulf states.

I wonder whether the opposite might happen. Having Iranian proxies hiding under every rock and behind every bush in the Middle East has helped the US make inroads with the gulf states, who would otherwise still be playing hard to get. Once their Islamic brother war simmers down, they might suddenly remember the other motive that tends to unite them, hating Israel.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I wonder whether the opposite might happen. Having Iranian proxies hiding under every rock and behind every bush in the Middle East has helped the US make inroads with the gulf states, who would otherwise still be playing hard to get. Once their Islamic brother war simmers down, they might suddenly remember the other motive that tends to unite them, hating Israel.

The Gulf States don't care so long as the oil flows and they make Money. Ironically, if Iran stabilizes and stops being a threat, everyone will win. The USA won't need to station a massive fleet in the Persian Gulf anymore because there is no longer any danger. All those Kaffir forces can leave the Arabian peninsula because Iran is not going to close the straights of Hormuz and the Gulf States aren't going to cut off the oil either because it supports everything.

It would literally be mission accomplished for all concerned. No more yankee imperialists in Arabia, no more threats to Europe losing all its gas imports, and just pure transactional business for the next 50 years.

 

[fur fag]

Footage out of Borujerd shows what appears to be a police officer and a detained protester getting beaten to death by a mob. The source (state-run media outlet) claimed they were both officers but that's not what the vid looks like to me.

 

[DumbDude43]

The Gulf States don't care so long as the oil flows and they make Money. Ironically, if Iran stabilizes and stops being a threat, everyone will win. The USA won't need to station a massive fleet in the Persian Gulf anymore because there is no longer any danger. All those Kaffir forces can leave the Arabian peninsula because Iran is not going to close the straights of Hormuz and the Gulf States aren't going to cut off the oil either because it supports everything.

It would literally be mission accomplished for all concerned. No more yankee imperialists in Arabia, no more threats to Europe losing all its gas imports, and just pure transactional business for the next 50 years.

russia would lose one of its few remaining allies
and china would lose a captive supplier of discount cheap oil

 

[Gandhi's Left Hook]

I wonder whether the opposite might happen. Having Iranian proxies hiding under every rock and behind every bush in the Middle East has helped the US make inroads with the gulf states, who would otherwise still be playing hard to get. Once their Islamic brother war simmers down, they might suddenly remember the other motive that tends to unite them, hating Israel.

Good point, it could go either way. Anything that separates us from the Gulf states, I'm in favor of. I would love to see Venezuelan-style sanctions on the Saudis and watch their regime collapse while we raid their tankers and bomb their pipelines. Yes yes, rainbow for me.

 

[Scout Trooper]

Footage out of Borujerd shows what appears to be a police officer and a detained protester getting beaten to death by a mob. The source (state-run media outlet) claimed they were both officers but that's not what the vid looks like to me.
2026.01.10 Protesters beat police officer and man he was detaining to death (date uncertain) -...mp4

Great job, mongoloids.

For one, Arabs are not that much better than nogs as far as civility goes.

I don't think it's going to be remotely close to anything like the Arab spring. And I will put money on it.

You were saying?

 

[thx1138]

Other than perhaps higher-level advisors to the Obama administration, knowledgeable analysts of the region knew what was going to happen in the aftermath and it wasn't going to be pretty.

The Obama admin knew there was no peaceful Arab Spring/secular democracies coming after they destabilized everything from Morocco to Gaza. That was by design. The point wasn't to strengthen democracy in the middle east it was to weaken the United States and Europe. He was and is a racist who hates white people, and has been revenge minded against "whitey" since his days in Madrassa, his commie mom and dad, and his real upbringing by Bill Ayers.

Throwing the ME into chaos was a means to an end, not the end itself, and thanks to NeoCon GWB's stupidity, the hay was already soaked in fuel oil. All Obama needed to do was throw a lit match on it.

 

[mindlessobserver]

russia would lose one of its few remaining allies
and china would lose a captive supplier of discount cheap oil

And neither will do shit about it because they cannot do shit about it.

I said it over a year ago.

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The Crown of America has been claimed, and the world will shake before the majesty of Americas King.

Can you feel the shaking yet?

 

[Shovelbird]

I will literally cum once Iran falls and China's yellow bugmen horde will get their shit kicked in Taiwan. Hell I'd accept extinction just to spite 1 century of commie marxist bullshit handwringing.

 

[harbringer883]

Footage out of Borujerd shows what appears to be a police officer and a detained protester getting beaten to death by a mob. The source (state-run media outlet) claimed they were both officers but that's not what the vid looks like to me.
2026.01.10 Protesters beat police officer and man he was detaining to death (date uncertain) -...mp4

It could have been a undercover/plain clothes officer?

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

Not all countries are suited for Western style Democracies.

Such as the French

 

[fur fag]

It could have been a undercover/plain clothes officer?

what makes me think it was a civvie is that he was clearly being held onto, which i don't think they'd do that for one of their own

 

[Riverfagg1599]

New tousi updates. This guy definitely has some utopian libertarian ideas going on but he's been providing good measured updates so I'm really digging his coverage.