2025 US and Venezuela Conflict - Operation Just Cause 2: 2 Just 2 Cause

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Congress is playing around with issuing a draft. If they freaked out and barely handled the anti-Israel protests on college campuses, bringing back the draft will create an even bigger storm. If anything, this might explain Trump bringing in 500,000 Pajeet and Chinese students. Got to keep the colleges in business.
 
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Pure Autism dijo:
And of course this will probably destabilize the entire region regardless, with criminal elements fleeing to Colombia and Brazil and further worsening the situations in those countries.
Sure it's cool to watch modern military equipment in operation, but I don't get the hype. This has much greater potential to backfire than to provide the US with any actual benefits.
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Well we get to sit back and watch the fireworks here but the innocent people that were born in Venezuela are looking at an entirely uncertain future. Guerillas, gang wars, bombings.

Pablo Escobar set Columbia on fire and he was just a drug kingpin, imagine what the very fallible US military is going to put these poor schmucks through.
MrJokerRager dijo:
He is on a roll.

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Delt-uh Forse.
 
CaptainAutism69 dijo:
WTF is with those charges?
'The media is reporting that one of them is 'posession of a machine gun', and the another being 'trying to obtain a machine gun'.
What law did he break?
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I heard this as well, and the machine gun charges make zero sense (because Venezuela has an army), unless he has a house on US soil and they raided that before his araignment, and found either illegal weapons there, or security had them. The security thing shouldn't be an issue for diplomatic security (I think) but I've been seeing that he had Cubans for his personal security, which would complicate things.
 
ToroidalBoat dijo:
Rather odd how the "woke" are REE-ing while Venezuelans are celebrating...

And why are SJWs supportive of a dictator while doing "No Kings" protests?

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What dictator? maduro is a working class man of the people struggling against american imperialism and we have always been at war with eastasia
Leylon Sneed dijo:
I heard this as well, and the machine gun charges make zero sense (because Venezuela has an army), unless he has a house on US soil and they raided that before his araignment, and found either illegal weapons there, or security had them. The security thing shouldn't be an issue for diplomatic security (I think) but I've been seeing that he had Cubans for his personal security, which would complicate things.
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Edit: I honestly think the charges don't really matter he will be found guilty of whatever but this is pretty clearly meant to send the message that there is no law in this hemisphere higher than ours and that certain leaders are nothing more than petty criminals who we can buy and sell at our leisure and that's fucking based
 
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Foley dijo:
As an Eurocuck myself, I don't particularly like the idea of simply grabbing a foreign statehead like this either, but Maduro was a POS, the Venezuelan people are happy, and if US does swift the oil market it will most likely bode well for us Western folks, including us in the EU. I don't like that it sort of gives legitimacy for Russia, China and whoever to project their power, but the practical effects could still be beneficial at least in the short term for Europe.
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Agreed. I think similarly.
 
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Congress is playing around with issuing a draft. If they freaked out and barely handled the anti-Israel protests on college campuses, bringing back the draft will create an even bigger storm. If anything, this might explain Trump bringing in 500,000 Pajeet and Chinese students. Got to keep the colleges in business.
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This is a non-issue. If you've ever gone to vote or have a driver's license, you're already signed up. Making it automatic instead of being something separate you will have to fill out at some point anyways is a nothingburger.

There's nothing in that article that even mentions calling a draft. You've been here three years and you don't know how to read?
 
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CaptainAutism69 dijo:
WTF is with those charges?
'The media is reporting that one of them is 'posession of a machine gun', and the another being 'trying to obtain a machine gun'.
What law did he break?
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Leylon Sneed dijo:
I heard this as well, and the machine gun charges make zero sense (because Venezuela has an army), unless he has a house on US soil and they raided that before his araignment, and found either illegal weapons there, or security had them. The security thing shouldn't be an issue for diplomatic security (I think) but I've been seeing that he had Cubans for his personal security, which would complicate things.
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RTFI
COUNT THREE (Possession of Machineguns and Destructive Devices) The Grand Jury further charges: 31. Paragraphs 1 through 21 of this Superseding Indictment are realleged and incorporated by reference as though fully set forth herein. 32. From at least in or about 1999, up to and including in or about 2025, in an offense begun and committed out of the jurisdiction of any particular State or district of the United States, and for which at least one of two or more joint offenders has been and will be first brought to and arrested in the Southern District of New York, NICOLAS MADURO MOROS, DIOSDADOCABELLO RONDON, RAMON RODRIGUEZ CHACIN, CILIA ADELA FLORES DE MADURO, NICOLAS ERNESTO MADURO GUERRA, a/k/a "Nicolasito," a/k/a "The Prince," and HECTOR RUSTHENFORD GUERRERO FLORES, a/k/a "Nifio Guerrero," the defendants, during and in relation to a drug trafficking crime for which they may be prosecuted in a court of the United States, to wit, for MADURO MOROS, CABELLO RONDON, and RODRIGUEZCHACIN, the controlled substance offenses charged in Counts One and Two of this Superseding Indictment, and for FLORES DE MADURO, MADURO GUERRA, and GUERRERO FLORES the controlled substance offense charged in Count Two of this Superseding Indictment, knowingly used and carried firearms, and, in furtherance of such crimes, knowingly possessed firearms, and aided and abetted the use, carrying, and possession of firearms, to wit, machineguns that were capable of automatically shooting more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger, as well as destructive devices.
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COUNT FOUR (Conspiracy to Possess Machineguns and Destructive Devices) The Grand Jury further charges: 33. Paragraphs 1 through 21 of this Superseding Indictment are realleged and incorporated by reference as though fully set forth herein. 34. From at least in or about 1999, up to and including in or about 2025, in an offense begun and committed out of the jurisdiction of any particular State or district of the United States, NICOLAS MADURO MOROS, DIOSDADO CABELLO RONDON, RAMON RODRIGUEZCHACIN, CILIA ADELA FLORES DE MADURO, NICOLAS ERNESTO MADUROGUERRA, a/k/a "Nicolasito," a/k/a "The Prince," and HECTOR RUSTHENFORD GUERREROFLORES, a/k/a "Nifio Guerrero," the defendants, and others known and unknown, at least one of whom has been and will be first brought to and arrested in the Southern District of New York intentionally and knowingly combined, conspired, confederated, and agreed together and with each other to violate Title 18, United States Code, Section 924( c ).35. It was a part and an object of the conspiracy that NICOLAS MADURO MOROS,DIOSDADO CABELLO RONDON, RAMON RODRIGUEZ CHACIN, CILIA ADELAFLORES DE MADURO, NICOLAS ERNESTO MADURO GUERRA, a/k/a "Nicolasito," a/k/a"The Prince," and HECTOR RUSTHENFORD GUERRERO FLORES, a/k/a "Nifio Guerrero," the defendants, and others known and unknown, during and in relation to a drug trafficking crime for which they may be prosecuted in a court of the United States, to wit, for MADURO MOROS,CABELLO RONDON, and RODRIGUEZ CHACIN, the controlled substance offenses charged in Counts One and Two of this Superseding Indictment, and for FLORES DE MADURO,MADURO GUERRA, and GUERRERO FLORES, the controlled substance offense charged in Count Two of this Superseding Indictment, knowingly used and carried firearms, and, in furtherance of such crimes, knowingly possessed firearms, and aided and abetted the use, carrying, and possession of firearms, to wit, machineguns that were capable of automatically shooting more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger, as well as destructive devices, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 924(c)(l)(A) and 924(c)(l)(B)(ii).
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Basically, they (through their agents, probably) tried to and did cause guns/DDs that violate 18 USC 922 to be brought into the US.
 
Croaking Spider dijo:
This is a non-issue. If you've ever gone to vote, you're already signed up. Making it automatic instead of being something separate you will have to fill out at some point anyways is a nothingburger.
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I don't believe voter registration counts. When I was looking at college the FAFSA requires that you have signed up for selective service, for men at least. I think it's a crime still not to register for the draft, for men at least. It's been a while since I had to deal with any of this, and I'm a pothead so [insert memory joke here].

@Thomas Talus so those are the laws, but what actually triggers the charges if it wasn't on US soil?
 
Leylon Sneed dijo:
I heard this as well, and the machine gun charges make zero sense (because Venezuela has an army), unless he has a house on US soil and they raided that before his araignment, and found either illegal weapons there, or security had them. The security thing shouldn't be an issue for diplomatic security (I think) but I've been seeing that he had Cubans for his personal security, which would complicate things.
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Leylon Sneed dijo:
@Thomas Talus so those are the laws, but what actually triggers the charges if it wasn't on US soil?
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He's being gotten on the NFA for two reasons

First, Venezuelans developed and manufactured the Glock Trigger which made a Glock fully automatic, and the government will argue that Maduro knowingly (for profit) allowed the devices to be made and manufactured in Venezeula and transported via TdA members to the United States.

Second, given that TdA members have been caught with illegal/fully-automatic weapons, that TdA was operated on Maduri's orders/at his direction (per US Govt narrative), the weapons violations of TdA apply to Maduro via RICO. methods.
(I'm less clear on why Mrs. Maduro got churroed with him.)

Normally a head of state doing state business would be immune from such charges, but the DOJ's position is shaping to be that Maduro lost the 2024 election, did not step asside but was not a legitimate head of state, thus any actions he took post 2024 are as a private citizen.
 
Leylon Sneed dijo:
I don't believe voter registration counts. When I was looking at college the FAFSA requires that you have signed up for selective service, for men at least. I think it's a crime still not to register for the draft, for men at least. It's been a while since I had to deal with any of this, and I'm a pothead so [insert memory joke here].

@Thomas Talus
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I signed up when I went in for voter registration when I turned 18. I guess it wasn't automatic, but it's a federal crime to not opt in so why not just do it then and there, right? The DDS does automatically register you with the SSS when you go in for a driver's license and there isn't an opt-out. Either way, you're correct that it's illegal to not sign up and effects your ability to get state IDs, licenses, FAFSA, and exempts you from scholarships.
 
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