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stupid question: why the hell is this even part of a schools responsibility in the first place?
like, a campus isn't some kind of separate sovereign state, it's within the jurisdiction of regular US law enforcement just like any other public place is, no? so why are campus protests treated like they're the schools responsibility?
to me it seems like keeping law and order on campus is the job of the local (or state) police, school authorities shouldn't really have a say in it.
Because large universities are basically self contained towns with their own police departments.
 
Those are the most embarrassingly badly worded, leading questions I've seen on a poll in a while. What trash. It makes me wonder, by picking a similarly structured question, could I get 80% of Democrats to say Donald Trump is a weak president.
You probably could. He's been a very weak president.
 
stupid question: why the hell is this even part of a schools responsibility in the first place?
like, a campus isn't some kind of separate sovereign state, it's within the jurisdiction of regular US law enforcement just like any other public place is, no? so why are campus protests treated like they're the schools responsibility?
to me it seems like keeping law and order on campus is the job of the local (or state) police, school authorities shouldn't really have a say in it.
Scale, most collage campuses are large enough that it would take a sizable portion of the local towns PD to keep under watch, and the fact that making it their responsibility would in turn make them accountable for when they choose not to handle shit like the conservatives that showed up to that black collage to debate getting harassed and ran off by students that the collage then tried to pretend were not students.
 
Kinda like a "gender swapped McCoy" but actually done well (right down to the McCoy & Spock dynamic they set up with Pulaski and Data), unlike modern race- and gender-swapped bullshit for the hell of it.
Dr. Pulaski was better and more interesting than Dr. Crusher.
"Girl Bones" isn't much of a character but it's a shitload more than Crusher was
Speaking of Star Trek, what the fuck was up with The Motion Picture?

That movie is so bizarre in terms of pacing and cinematography.
gene happened
also it was a tv pilot that got blown up
most importantly if you see it in a movie theater the spaceship porn works a lot better
 
"Normal" people in California have been dealing with eroding rights and scheduled blackouts for as long as I've been alive. They are the ones that choose to stay there and pay taxes that fund their oppression. There's no point feeling sorry for someone who takes no action to improve their own situation.
Despite how awful Californians are, the State regularly sheds millions of them in rapid bursts at least once a decade that end up shitting up the rest of the country and somehow their population keeps climbing at an insane rate.
Pretty obvious they're padding their numbers with illegal spics. Every spic you see in California once used to be a Huwite man.

They're poised to lose a lot of Congressional seats due to the COVID exodus from the State and it wouldn't surprise me if they managed to shove in enough illegal aliens during the Biden presidency to end up only losing one despite surrounding states receiving enough California residents to gain 1 seat and Texas gaining 2 from them. The upcoming Census is going to be a really important one.
 
You probably could. He's been a very weak president.
I'm going to take this opportunity to try to explain because while I was catching up I saw someone else citing this poll as if it fucking meant anything. I'm pasting in the image again for reference, please do blow it up and study it carefully! Come back to it often, the details are important (I wrote this post with it inserted full size, then switched it to thumbnail before posting so I could look back at it easily):
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Ok, so the second question is fine. That's a true binary, either Trump exceeded or is within the bounds of his authority. HOWEVER, the order you ask questions matters, so let's come back to it afterwards (I'm not certain in what order they asked the questions, but everything I'm seeing implies these two are linked and were asked in this order).

The first question forces a frame onto things. In a vacuum, there's nothing wrong with asking people if they think Trump is acting like a fascist and/or dictator. There's nothing wrong with asking whether he is a strong president. But...in what fucking world are those the only two choices? This forces the respondent to assume Trump is a strong, active figure, then asks for a value judgment. So yeah, Democrats overwhelmingly chose to call Trump a fascist dictator BECAUSE THEIR ONLY ALTERNATIVE WAS DESCRIBING HIM AS A STRONG PRESIDENT! Between two choices, the people of the opposite party who did not vote for and do not like Donald Trump picked the one that is not flattering to him; what a surprise!

Here's an alternate version you could ask around here, you could imagine which doomers might pick the first option: "Do you think Donald Trump is a weak president, or is he just cautious about waiting for feedback from the electorate when implementing his policies?" There, now the same 80% of Democrats who just called him a dictator will call him weak. It's just garbage.

Now, the insidious part; you can dismiss calling him a fascist as TDS, it's raising the temperature and driving people away from seeing consensus, but...what the fuck do you expect from the media at this point? No, the really bad part is that the first question primes you to answer a certain way on the second one. You just forced a bunch of Democrats to call Trump a dictator so they could avoid saying something else about him that sounds too nice. How the fuck are they then not going to tell you he has exceeded his authority? And now you have two separate headlines: ragebait for the GOP that a supermajority of their enemies are calling Trump a fascist (and they know people are sensitive to that right now); and for the Dems and policymakers, manufactured consensus that over half the country sees Trump as having exceeded his authority. But ask yourself: if you substituted my question, forced people to answer it first, then asked them the second question, do you think that could have any effect on the outcomes of the second question? Remember, we're not changing the wording of the "exceeded his authority" question at all! That question could absolutely be useful, so they fucked with it until it became just another bare approval measure!

That's how this shit works. That's why poll design is important, and yes they're doing this on purpose and they think you're morons.

Edit: lol or you can just watch the Yes Minister clip
 

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If I was a commander on Star Trek, I would use the transporter to teleport Wesley Crusher into space and then fire photon torpedos and all lasers straight into his lifeless asshole exploding his corpse in front his mom, then I would have sex with his mom.

I think that also should be a metaphors about how we should face China.
You don't need the torpedoes. Just tell the replicator "50 liters of butter, hot" and use the transporter to get the butter to par-fry his ass while he's still flailing breathlessly in the void.

Then go have sex with his mom, of course.
 
Those are the most embarrassingly badly worded, leading questions I've seen on a poll in a while. What trash. It makes me wonder, by picking a similarly structured question, could I get 80% of Democrats to say Donald Trump is a weak president.
A large portion of the democratic party think trump is both stupid, impotent and a bully strongman dictator. Logic is losted on them.
 
A large portion of the democratic party think trump is both stupid, impotent and a bully strongman dictator. Logic is losted on them.
Ehhhhh........no. They do not like Trump. Therefore, with a certain polling format, you can get them to say any of those things individually, by making it the option they can choose which does not sound flattering to him. Seriously, do you think that poll design has any value at all? One way to do it which is much more honest is to have an array of options between "Strongly Disagree" and "Strongly Agree", and include "I Don't Know". Seriously, give them an out and watch the numbers for any of those options crater.
 
Seriously, do you think that poll design has any value at all?

One way to do it which is much more honest is to have an array of options between "Strongly Disagree" and "Strongly Agree", and include "I Don't Know". Seriously, give them an out and watch the numbers for any of those options crater.

I mean, that is the value of that poll design. It helps to reinforce the narrative that Trump is a fascist dictator who's exceeding his authority. They're terrified that people might hear the broader public's actual opinions because then they can't scream about how everyone thinks he's literally Hitler.
 
A large portion of the democratic party think trump is both stupid, impotent and a bully strongman dictator. Logic is losted on them.
You are misunderstanding what he is saying.

Here's a dirty secret in all polling, surveys, and psychology studies in general: a large proportion of the kind of people who answer them want to make the researcher happy. They subconsciously guess at what the researcher wants and answer in that manner.

Thus, if you ask a question on a survey the right way, you can slant a good chunk of the answers to skew closer to a thing you want to hear. A lot of polling asks questions in this manner because they have an agenda.
 
>Star Trek for a few pages
>Rome for a few pages
>Star Trek vs Rome for ???
>Not a word of US politics for hours

The Jannies ain't gonna like this. Will they set phasers to stun, or will we all be strapped to crosses come dawn?

I have received multiple reports of derailment in this thread by @The Projects. Because @The Projects went on a second day to derail the thread with a one-on-one conversation (Agree to Disagree. Our community cannot stand divided. Do not derail threads with one-on-one conversations. Ignore users you can't stand), he has been threadbanned from USPG2 for a month. I have moved all the posts (expect these 2 highlights here & here) in this Mass Debates thread titled: "Debate @The Projects about various political stuff". I also asked about this decision with @Francis York Morgan.
 
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