Charlie Kirk: Aftermath, Gravedancing, and Manhunt

[Phil Leotardo]

Maybe this is a failure on my part, maybe it isn't. I've been an agnostic close to crossing the Tiber for years.

I'm closer to doing so now than ever. I don't pretend to know what the truth is, but the other side just cannot be right.

 

[Stonewall Jackson]

This one. I have a feeling won't be popular here. I became convinced, well before this happened. Reddit has been taken over as a source of disseminating propaganda, to sew division between the population. Every large subreddit there, has been pushing insane misinformation, and propaganda for years now. And it especially seemed to ramp up before trump was elected, and after.

Literally the instant anything happened, it wouldn't just have a story covering an event. It would be some taken out of context story, obviously made to gaslight the people that were already leaning on a certain side politically, into fearing that they are about to see a nazi takeover of the country. That they are going to be thrown into, camps, and that the entire right wing want them dead. It's the perfect place, for state actors to just spew out a torrent of bullshit with the intention, of generating fear, and hatred of people that they would otherwise be fine with. Of how capitalism is causing all of it, and socialism or communism is the answer. And anyone that doesn't want that, is actually your enemy.

I think places like reddit, are full of a bunch of impressionable retards, and it's a perfect place to be taken advantage of by state actors. (much like 4chan). I would be shocked, if a lot of the ideas that have lead to the current political climate, weren't being push by government agencies. This isn't some crazy hard thing for a state to do. It really makes, less sense to not try destabilizing enemy states, when you have a nearly free option to take advantage of to spread misinformation.

I'm not someone that buys into that many conspiracies, like I'm not someone that thinks Israel killed Charlie Kirk. But I absolutely think government's can, and would be doing this. The Eglan air-force base happened a while back, but as far as I know, there is nothing that would suggest, anything has changed, and that countries other than our own wouldn't be doing the same thing.

well no shit

Reddit has been very heavily botted since the run up to the 2016 election and I have zero doubts that many of the powerjannies with 100+ subreddits (particularly default subs) under their belts are paid actors.

Practically everything that hits the front page is heavily moderated and curated and some of it is very obviously not organic because it doesn't remotely match normal patterns of activity (10k+ upvotes with only around 100 comments), you notice this especially with the new generic liberal subs that pop up, r/50501 being a very obvious recent example.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

yeah there's no way reddit's traffic patterns are organic. some actors seem to manipulate reddit through owning mods and having coordinated campaigns across subreddits, others seem to bot content to the top and then use bots in comment to create engagement and frame issues. the open question is how much that works to shape public opinion vs. astoturfing that ultimately goes nowhere.

That's something that people can only guess. I think with the specific topics I see being spread there. Especially with most of them being straight up lies/misinformation. That seems particularly targeted at making people afraid/angry. There is some level of it that is intentional.If it was just weird metrics, I wouldn't be as convinced. But just looking at it. I feel like it falls into Occams razor to just assume there is intentional psyop/misinformation campaigns being run on some level there.

I hate how over used psyop is. Because it immediately makes it sound completely schizo. But I think this is one place where the term psyop is completely accurate. Like I said. I think 4chan is likely seeing the same thing, on some level. Anywhere that will allow anonymous, or pseudonymous posting. With a large user count, seems like the perfect place for this. I see reddit more often than I see 4chan though, so I can't feel as certain about that.


edit:

Actually. i was just thinking about one of the things, I read about somewhere, I can't remember the source now. But it was talking about the effects of social pressure. So if what you see around you, is a group of people (in this case, bot's or people posting under sock puppets with an agenda), and you see them as your peers. They all seem to agree with something. It over time does have an effect on people. We are social animals. Even if we like to think we can all think for ourselves. It's on some level instinctual to conform to the people around us to fit in. And that shapes our ideas over time. So even if there are a lot of bot's it will effect people (and in my opinion, it probably has effected people quite a bit). I think it's easy to underestimate how easily we can all be manipulated.

 

[DrNow]

Edit: I am now aware of the substack deboonking.

I read a substack suggesting that the group Tyler was in was majorly apolitical and there were no real indicators as to his motives. It’s seemed to suggest he didn’t fall neatly into any camp. He was for the second amendment but was pro trans. His family did not appear to know about his relationship with Lance.

None of this is official and could be total BS.

Whether the issue would have been Lance being trans or anti conservative or anti Christian I don’t know. But the left have already run with the groyper angle so they missed out on a whole love story between a kid who was rejected by his republican family and driven to kill.

It raises an interesting question though, if he was motivated solely by this relationship, it must have been in part by the belief Kirk represented some form of existential threat to his him, and his relationship. He would have been viewed as a stochastic terrorist and the voice of trans genocide. These ideas were proposed to him.

Is there a trans genocide? You might see people on 4chan talking about putting sodomites in death camps or whatever. For all we know those people could be glowies any way. Normal people don’t talk or think like that. No legislative body or government institution talks like that. Charlie Kirk sure as hell didn’t talk or think like that. But he’s been built up as this figure of embodying some great fascist evil.

So where is the stochastic terrorism in this case. Whose words led to murder. To date, nobody has murdered on behalf of Charlie Kirk.

I do question whether or not he was a cookie cutter college Marxist. There just isn’t enough to go by based on his online activity to say either way. All we have are the statements from his family, as relayed by the FBI.

“Became more left wing.”

Ok, we can call out the groyper bullshit with that. But then what? What does that even mean? Was he reading books about agricultural policy under Stalin? Was he talking about how much white people suck around the dinner table? It’s like saying; “he’s became more right wing” could mean anything from he was watching Candace Owen’s to he was posing with rifles and copies of Siege.

Maybe they’re planning to clear things up, but the ambiguity is dragging things out and allowing theories to spread like bacteria in damp conditions.

 

[Catboy Ranch]

Its a theater professor so dont expect anything here. But throwing indignation at anyone who says they went to Susquehanna (a fallback school when you cant even get into Penn State) is very well deserved.

 

[John Andrews Stan]

I read a substack

Was debunked this morning. Search the thread for the words apolitical and camping.

 

[Soapmore]

This one. I have a feeling won't be popular here. I became convinced, well before this happened. Reddit has been taken over as a source of disseminating propaganda, to sew division between the population. Every large subreddit there, has been pushing insane misinformation, and propaganda for years now. And it especially seemed to ramp up before trump was elected, and after.

Literally the instant anything happened, it wouldn't just have a story covering an event. It would be some taken out of context story, obviously made to gaslight the people that were already leaning on a certain side politically, into fearing that they are about to see a nazi takeover of the country. That they are going to be thrown into, camps, and that the entire right wing want them dead. It's the perfect place, for state actors to just spew out a torrent of bullshit with the intention, of generating fear, and hatred of people that they would otherwise be fine with. Of how capitalism is causing all of it, and socialism or communism is the answer. And anyone that doesn't want that, is actually your enemy.

I think places like reddit, are full of a bunch of impressionable retards, and it's a perfect place to be taken advantage of by state actors. (much like 4chan). I would be shocked, if a lot of the ideas that have lead to the current political climate, weren't being push by government agencies. This isn't some crazy hard thing for a state to do. It really makes, less sense to not try destabilizing enemy states, when you have a nearly free option to take advantage of to spread misinformation.

I'm not someone that buys into that many conspiracies, like I'm not someone that thinks Israel killed Charlie Kirk. But I absolutely think government's can, and would be doing this. The Eglan air-force base happened a while back, but as far as I know, there is nothing that would suggest, anything has changed, and that countries other than our own wouldn't be doing the same thing.

In the late 1990s and early 2000s, there was intense competition between cable news channels. Anyone watching then might recall that they weren't shy to point out each others' mistakes and biases. In this environment, there was the 1999 NATO bombing operation of Kosovo. It was revealed that during the conflict, USArmy 4th PSYOPS had 'active duty personnel' operating out of the CNN news room in Atlanta. They called it 'interns training with industry' but this itself was a psyop. Lipstick on a pig, psychological warfare was being waged on the general population, not just of the US but of the world, since CNN was the #1 news source in the world at that time.

Interesting that none of CNN's major competitors reported on it. Not FOX, not ABC, not CBS, not NBC, not BBC... you get the point. At a time when they routinely ripped each other competitively, they were silent. Ask yourself why that is. I only saw it reported in 2 places at the time: NPR, which was liberal but not as insane as today, and, Bill Cooper on his shortwave broadcast. NPR itself turned out to be part of the same PSYOPS program, but apparently the news crew the day they reported that were unaware.

My point is, you're correct. State intelligence organizations deploy to incidents to manage and opportunistically weaponize developing situations. To such organizations, a cesspit like Reddit comprises a pool of easily directed useful idiots. Unwitting force-multipliers who will dutifully parrot strategic messaging in a memetic way. There are likely people tasked to maintain selected accounts (and sycophantic clone accounts) to massage and direct the center of gravity of the message. If anything, I think state intelligence and military PSYOPS would be derelict in their roles, if they weren't waging these silent weapons for quiet wars.

I believe it's likely the same thing is happening here.

 

[Ted's Cabin]

Reddit has been very heavily botted since the run up to the 2016 election and I have zero doubts that many of the powerjannies with 100+ subreddits (particularly default subs) under their belts are paid actors.

Practically everything that hits the front page is heavily moderated and curated and some of it is very obviously not organic because it doesn't remotely match normal patterns of activity (10k+ upvotes with only around 100 comments), you notice this especially with the new generic liberal subs that pop up, r/50501 being a very obvious recent example.

This reminds me, back in 2016 reddit codemonkeys fucked up and accidentally pushed a bunch of posts from a pro-trump board to the front page for everyone to see. They eventually gave up and banned the board entirely, and then had to replace that CEO because it looked bad to see him openly editing other users posts to fuck with them. It should be obvious that reddit is controlled, but they openly showed how little oversight their admin accounts had, and how they intentionally tweak their algorithm to censor or endorse content.

I have an acquaintance who uses reddit and I remember he once showed me a picture of an obviously photoshopped animal with bright rainbow colors, and he thought it was real. This guy has a masters in English. There are actually people who use that site and just believe literally anything that makes it to the top.

Edit:
I did a search to see what reddit users were saying about the shooting, and I found someone insisting that the assassination isn't political violence because Charlie Kirk isn't a politician. It's the new dumbest thing I've read in my life.

 

[regalterry]

Reddit has been very heavily botted since the run up to the 2016 election and I have zero doubts that many of the powerjannies with 100+ subreddits (particularly default subs) under their belts are paid actors.

I keep telling people that trannies are the modern day eunuch class of the globohomo elites.

Just like the eunuchs of old, they (usually) don't have children, evoke only hatred and disgust in the population at large, and thus are completely dependent on the current power structure, not just to enact their power/revenge fantasies, but also for access to doctors and medicine to continue trooning out, and ultimately for their very survival (or at least the survival of their disgusting culture).

 

[Apustajan apustaja]

Maybe honorable then, but in modern times the only things I can imagine that might make a person reconsider are ancient things. I saw another poster here mention sawing. History shows there are many ways to get man in line, but no one would ever go for it and we just stick most of them in a cage and charge everybody that actually works for it.

Executions today are a bit of theatre where the state shows how just and humane they are and how everything is done by a set of very strict rules. It is actually cheaper to just lock people up. If the purpose was deterrence and showing power they would do death by 1000 cuts.

 

[John Andrews Stan]

Speaking of Reddit, this just dropped:



Also noted this posted by mods in a dumb, very small sub I keep an eye on casually. Hard not to think they’re preparing to unload the mother of all botnets.

 

[Rainbow Child]

Leftist anti fascists are accusing liberals of “fashjacketing”(meaning they know Robinson was an antifascist)-that is they are accusing liberals of lacking the stomach for real violence by blaming groypers.

What's funny about this to me is that you can see the thought-process laid bare upon the term "fashjacketing". It's clearly derivative of every other deriviate of "whitewashing" (cf "pinkwashing", "greenwashing", etc), but then they stopped themselves and are like "no, if we say washing, then that implies that antifa is dirty, and dirty is bad, and we're good guys. Instead of 'fashwashing', let's call it 'fashjacketing'."

But good for them for owning it. More respect (it's tiny but it's non-zero) for them than for the ones simultaneously celebrating and fashwashing.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

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This is literally the most crystal-clear, cut-and-dry shit I've ever seen in my life. His motives are not in question anymore, nor have they been at all for sane people whatsoever. This is directly from the horse's mouth. This is what the Left actively, willingly foments & celebrates with no remorse against the most moderate and respectful basic conservatives. I have no idea how the Left will find a way to still keep shifting this to being a Groyper, but I bet they'll still keep trying.

It is interesting he seems to have done this almost specifically for his gay lover, but the gay lover appears to basically just be going "what the fuck, why did you do this you fucking retard". I'm curious if the guy actually seriously had no idea until after it happened, with that note thing, or if we're going to see an uncovering of evidence proving he isn't actually innocent.

No one else but leftists would interpret things Charlie said as hateful. Which they keep demonstrating in real time.
This is as condemning as it gets.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

I believe it's likely the same thing is happening here.

On certain parts of the forum. Really, the news/politics side of the forum in particular. Yeah, I think there is a good chance.

Not sure if the forums numbers are up high enough yet to easily let them blend in, but that could also mean, they just have a larger impact with fewer accounts. That makes me think about what the people that are doing it must be thinking, when they inevitably read the normal posts they interact with, (or maybe use training data to have an ai do it, idk I can only guess how it's done).

 

[FireAddictedPsychopath]

I knew that a tranny was connected to all this somehow. Whether the shooter was one or the shooter was fucking one in denial of being a faggot. I rest my case.

 

[Kankichi Ryotsu]

Reading those messages, this nigga looks fucking retarded. Did he seriously think he could go back to the scene of a high profile assassination to get his gun and that he wouldn't get caught?

 

[frozen_runner]

On certain parts of the forum. Really, the news/politics side of the forum in particular. Yeah, I think there is a good chance.

Not sure if the forums numbers are up high enough yet to easily let them blend in, but that could also mean, they just have a larger impact with fewer accounts. That makes me think about what the people that are doing it must be thinking, when they inevitably read the normal posts they interact with, (or maybe use training data to have an ai do it, idk I can only guess how it's done).

I will simply point out, again, that certain posters only seem to show up around election time, and they disappear afterwards.

 

[Amelia Troonheart]

[says reddit and similar sites are full of feds and terrorists]

This is common knowledge, buddy

Not sure if the forums numbers are up high enough yet to easily let them blend in, but that could also mean, they just have a larger impact with fewer accounts.

That's why you should do your patriotic duty and frequently call users here feds, just on the off chance you spook a real one and make them sweat a little.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

This is common knowledge, buddy

I've brought it up before. And people dismissed here (other parts of the forum) dismissed it.

That's why you should do your patriotic duty and frequently call users here feds, just on the off chance you spook a real one and make them sweat a little.

I've just never been too worried about it. Mostly because I don't stray into the political and current event's forums too much. It's mainly in this thread, I've seen stuff that makes me raise an eyebrow. because I'm usually just seeing normal spergs like myself talking about lolcows, or tech stuff.

 

[TJT]

Joe McCarthy was an American hero. He and Robert Kennedy were friends. They attended church together. A few years after McCarthy's death, RFK (then his brother John's Attorney General) was at a social (as opposed to official) function where several people present, all prominent Leftists, started making the usual vicious slanders about McCarthy, and RFK wasn't having it. He called them out for it, told them he wouldn't have his friend Joe McCarthy, a great American, insulted in his presence. I always thought highly of RFK after reading that. Further, the Alger Hiss spy case put proof to many of McCarthy's claims regarding Soviet influence at the State Department, military, and key industries--none of which could be publicly confirmed because the feds didn't want knowledge of the Venona Intercepts to get out. Kennedy knew Soviet intelligence communications had been breached, the biggest and best-kept secret there was at the time, and knew McCarthy was right about everything.

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It's a sin against history that Joe McCarthy is reviled as a witch-hunting demagogue.

Razorfist goes into depth about commies and McCarthy in one of his better long videos. Assuming JewTube didn't remove it.

Do recommend.