Charlie Kirk: Aftermath, Gravedancing, and Manhunt

Freedom of expression is freedom of expression, no matter how disgusting it may be. If you can see how fucked it was when they did it but choose to do the same you only reveal that there was no difference the whole time, only which side had the institutional power at the time
that doesn't mean that we should allow doctors to charge mentally disturbed people money to cut their genitals off
you cant really outlaw being a tranny, but you can absolutely outlaw sex change procedures (and hormone treatments for anything that is not an actual physical anomaly)
 
Leftists rely on violence and repression, social censure-because they don’t believe in their ability to persuade anymore.

Left wing ideology is not justifiable in the public square-insofar as said ideology, is intolerable to the mass public. Social democrat policies-one thing. Expecting the public to repress their own tribal identity? Their refusal to entertain abnormal sexual behavior? That’s something else.

Antifa laughs at the idea of debate because they understand the power of violence-and two they correctly understand most people outside of the most alienated or unstable would not entertain them if they had to present their ideas to the public square.

So you indoctrinate, or rely on social pressure and conformity. The average liberal that imbibes this shit-can’t justify or defend it. They haven’t absorbed it via reason-but social osmosis.

This gets translated into violence-all Charlie Kirk and most conservatives really do(or did) is ask them to justify their convictions-they cannot.

In a way Adorno was absolutely right-the mass public is authoritarian and has authoritarian instincts-it’s just been hijacked.

It’s unfortunate-but that’s where we are at. A frothing mass of people whose identity is fused with MSBNC news reels.

You can’t save them.
 
Freedom of expression is freedom of expression, no matter how disgusting it may be. If you can see how fucked it was when they did it but choose to do the same you only reveal that there was no difference the whole time, only which side had the institutional power at the time
This is so tedious.
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Freedom of expression is freedom of expression, no matter how disgusting it may be. If you can see how fucked it was when they did it but choose to do the same you only reveal that there was no difference the whole time, only which side had the institutional power at the time

No, it's definitely not the same. Calls for, or celebrations, of violence is borderline illegal (or plain illegal) in most places.

From purely business point of view, a lot of companies have policies against this sort of thing as well, not just from a legal standpoint but also due to the sheer hostility it could bring to the work place.

Additionally, and a lot of people forget this, the right isn't some small, fringe group. The people getting fired publicly attach their face and place of work to the accounts where they will proudly make these claims. Their employment runs a very real risk of hurting business.
 
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EDIT to add: For an interesting bit of history, look up what Mao did with these people once he was done using them.

If we don't want to do the same, we have a daunting task ahead.
 
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Pretty good essay I came across on X.
Hello, zoomer here.

Once again, discussing matters related to the recent tragic assassination of Charlie Kirk, though this time it’s a cultural matter that has bothered me for some time.

In addition to a disgusting and utterly shameless attempt by the Left to meme into existence that the shooter was somehow a far-Right “Groyper” (a word many of whom have just learned of last week) with large-scale bot campaigns, attempting to trick LLMs into repeating this ridiculous lie to trick people who treat LLMs as magic oracles - a tactic they’ve already trained back with the first Trump assassination attempt, where they tried to meme into existence the notion that the famous heroic fist-raising photo was “AI-generated.” Frankly pathetic attempts at carto-cult emulating their lost media narrative control powers. A more pernicious narrative has also emerged.

Oh, this is just a product of modernist capitalist internet atomization! They’re completely irony-poisoned nihilists! Lost in their twelve layers of irony! It is impossible to tell the shooters’ ideology. The young don’t really have beliefs. You see, they’re just lost in a torrent of incomprehensible, directionless political radicalism combining strains of every ideology!

Yes, a classic hysterical moral panic about what “the youth” is doing on their “Discords” by the old, the shrill and the decrepit. Besides the attempt to divert from the fact that the shooter was obviously a Leftist and instead turn this into a story about the need to censor the internet to prevent youth political radicalisation, which has been well covered by people such as BAP. Let me please offer you a deconstruction of this narrative from a perspective of someone who has actually been part of some of these “radical internet spaces” (Hoi4 modding servers, *gasp*), why this narrative is so ridiculous and those who promote it reveal themselves to be ridiculously out of touch with genuine youth culture.

Let’s take this post as our example:


First of all, “Guy Who Knows Too Much About The Internet hat” lmao get real. It is this sort of pseudo-expertise that leads to the devaluation of the very notion of “knowledge” in the public mind. Which actually leads me directly to my this is so ridiculous.

No, you “don’t know too much about the internet”, you saw a couple of memes on Reddit, maybe watched some JREG videos, now talking about “many layers of irony” while nodding sagely as if this is some profound academic concept.

Let me explain this to you in the simplest possible terms. Zoomers speaking “ironically” and unable to take anything seriously, afraid of sincerity, as some may say, is an affectation, a LARP, It is just how Zoomers speak, it is effectively just the Zoomer accent, it does not by itself necessarily distort the meaning of the message Zoomers try to convey. Why and how this affectation developed is an interesting question outside of the scope of this article, but it is indeed just an affectation.

What you need to know is that nobody actually operates under “many layers of irony”, that is not how Human minds work, we can’t keep track of so many recursions “12 layers of irony” lmao get real. The many layers of irony are a Zoomer meme, effectively a self-critique/self-stereotype about the aforementioned speech affectation. If you believe this is how Zoomers actually think/talk you’re just not in on the joke. This is similar to thinking that DnD players casting a spell in the game is a genuine attempt at satanic magic. Sorry, Millennials, you’re old now. Out of touch. Okay Boomer.

The most common actually existing Zoomer “meta-irony” is saying something you actually believe and mean, but phrasing it like a joke or irony. For instance, I might say “Total Boomer Death”, which is in fact an expression of dislike or disagreement with Boomers, it is not twelve layers of irony, secret praise of Boomers. But you will note that I’ve been somewhat vague about what it actually means “Expressing a dislike of Boomers” doesn’t it literally mean the extermination of everyone within a certain age bracket? Not quite. The ironic statement is often expressing a more radical, more extreme, more purposefully exaggerated position of what the speaker actually means. It also allows the classic retreat of “Haha, I was just kidding, can’t take a joke, bro?” when receiving any pushback. This is a form of cowardice and lack of commitment to sincerity I mentioned earlier, but it’s different from the Boomer Millennial schoolmarm understanding of genuine demon summoning in DnD.

What this in effect means is that every Zoomer statement is in a superposition which ranges from it being just a joke not meant seriously, to being an extremely radical statement, to something more moderate, “Maybe cut social security slightly”, or “Maybe Boomers should leave some inheritance to their children” - to go back to my earlier statement. And the “it was just a joke, bro” defence is usually just a lie/cope, so in reality, Zoomer language tends to express a directional position that can be more or less radical depending on the audience reaction (somewhat like a dogwhistle to test the waters), but it is expressing a genuine political opinion, and not incomprehensible babble that may actually mean the opposite of what it is trying to say.

So the shooter was clearly a Leftist, the more jokey/unserious written expressions show the tendency to cover genuine political statements in a haze of humour just shows cowardice rather than incoherent ideology - Even when you actually decide to murder someone in the name of your belief in the real world, you cannot be shown to be too sincere because this would be interpreted as “cringe” online.

This also applies to the notion that young people have confusing or incoherent eclectic radical politics. These spaces are usually indeed quite politically radical, left or right, and in radical spaces, a lot of “ideological promiscuity” happens where left and right radical ideologies borrow concepts from each other (This is different from the horseshoe theory as commonly understood, what is happening here is that language and rhetoric are being borrowed and often used for quite different purposes) it also happens that people may often and repeatedly cross between the Left and the Right, or various versions of Left-wing and Right-wing ideologies. But these spaces still have a clear ideological polarity - usually Left-wing, as Right-wingers get banned (I also happen to believe that overuse of irony is itself Left-coded, Right-wingers tend to be more sincere, but this is just a personal observation, and others may disagree). The idea that everyone is incoherent and totally random political radicalism on all sides of the spectrum is also an in-joke shibboleth that does not accurately describe reality, it’s a meme. In association with Hearts of Iron 4, it also refers to the fact that countries in HoI4 will have many radical paths, and it is common to play through them all (As this is CONTENT you paid for or downloaded), it does not signal political flip-flopping, again, you are taking DnD magic to mean actual satanism, you are old and out of touch shut up Boomer!

It is for these reason all these “Hello internet youth culture expert here!” posts are so funny to me, or the would if it weren’t so tragic and in service of a transparently evil goal. But it’s basically doing the “Hello, fellow kids!” meme and anyone who is genuinely acquainted with internet culture immediately notices.

This would be where the article ends, but I want to adress one more thing. Remember the Tucker-Putin interview? Where Putin lectured Tucker about Russian history, and the internet was flooded with memes of Putin as an autistic Paradox-game-playing history nerd? I remember, I found much of it quite amusing.

But I also noted takes like this:


This is fascinating to me because Hanania is constructing an entire elaborate analysis of Russian geopolitical behaviour based on a meme version of the interview.

Let me explain something. People memed that Putin is an autistic gamer obsessed with ancient historical claims because it’s funny, that’s how humour works, it’s an exaggerated and often outright false portrayal of reality.

The lecture Putin gave to Tucker was actually basic elementary school Russian history every Russian child knows - In fact, almost everything said is technically something that appears in Western history education curricula on Russia, whether this is actually taught, or remembered, is another thing but theoretically anyone who has passed elementary school in the West should know everything Putin said.

To illustrate, what Putin said, which can be distilled as: “Rurik, Vladimir, Period of Partition, Mongol Yoke, Muscovite reunification” is the equivalent of British: “1066, The Tudors, Admiral Nelson, Winston Churchill” or American “Revolution Founding Fathers, Slavery Civil War, Great depression WW2, Civil Rights movement” I’m sure many Brits and Americans could be made to ramble about these topics for 30 minutes, especially if they were intellectuals peers of Vladimir Putin and had his level of preparation for the interview (also Putin did make mistakes in his retelling of history! Again, it was not autistic history professor knowing obscure facts, but basic names and dates every child in Russia is made to memorise)

I’m not saying it was not a stalling tactic to throw Tucker off, or that Putin is not motivated by archaic historical grudges. What I am saying is that there’s no way you would know that. Based on the evidence Hanania provided. He is, in fact, making a judgment based on a distorted, memeified version of an interview with a major world leader because he saw some memes and either did not watch the interview or let his judgment be influenced and distorted by them. Thirty minutes isn’t even that long! The interview was two hours long, people mostly remember the Russian history stuff because it was right at the beginning and thus their first impression.

Hanania has exposed himself as a fool and an intellectual fraud with this. But I see similar things happen all the time. Take this meme:

A guide to the average European country election : r/PoliticalCompassMemes
A well-known meme about European politics. Much shared, much beloved, and actually surprisingly accurate. But still, I’ve met people, in real life and on the internet, who have repeated to me phrases from this meme verbatim and expected me to see this as some profound statement on European politics. Is the phrase even true? Does it even apply to the country it is being applied to?

The person wouldn’t know, yet they still say this in such a smug tone of self-assuredness as if this is some profound expert wisdom they’ve stumbled upon after years of study and deep personal experience. Actually, you just saw a meme on Reddit, man, it’s not that deep.

And this is everywhere, you see this all the time, just like the person at the start of the article acting like some guru on internet culture because they’ve watched a JREG video. It’s pathetic behaviour, and you’ll see it everywhere once you notice it.

To give a third, less political example. It is common wisdom thatGeorge R. R. Martin cannot finish the next book in the A Song of Ice and Fire series: The Winds of Winter. Because he’s such a sadistic asshole writer who likes to kill his main characters, and now he’s killed so many, he wrote himself into a corner and can’t finish.

This sounds plausible at first glance if you haven’t actually read the books, in which barely any characters die, the ones that do are the ones you’d expect to die based on common media tropes, there are many fake out deaths and several different magical means of resurrection which allow characters to come back to life (Yes the “no one is safe everyone can die death is permanent” series has several different means of resurrection, you read that right, you would know if you fucking read it). The “he’s bloodthirsty and loves killing character, so watch out for your favourite characters!” is a marketing ploy invented by HBO for the TV show. It’s not an accurate description of reality and thus cannot be the reason why Winds of Winter is taking too long (the actual reason is that he’s fat and lazy).

The common pattern we see in all of these is that people who purport to be doing serious intellectual analysis see viral internet jokes, memes and references that are exaggerated or outright distorted representations of reality and take them at face value and base their analysis on them. This is obvious once you notice this.

Look, I know internet memes will influence your perception, that’s why they’re called memes. I’m no exception to this. But please, have some decorum!
 
Shitlibs are creating a website to help anyone who was fired for praising the assassination of Charlie Kirk on social media. Xitter

http://firedforfreedom.visual.com

Currently there is nothing on the website. Will this be another "vibe coded" website? We'll just have to wait and see
I hope so, just so that we can get another info dump of the murder-minded leftists.

But isn't there a genocide in Palestine? Between this and Hassan's orbiters that crowd doesn't have any money to donate.
I doubt they ever actually donated much to Palestine.
 
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Freedom of expression is freedom of expression, no matter how disgusting it may be. If you can see how fucked it was when they did it but choose to do the same you only reveal that there was no difference the whole time, only which side had the institutional power at the time
The left has said for decades that "words are violence"
The left has said for decades that "freedom of speech is not freedom of consequences"
The left has canceled people for decades

They are overdue for tasting their own medicine now.
 
That’s fine, but it forfeits any excuse to criticize them for doing so and only serves to escalate any conflict.
Look at it this way. Freedom of Speech is your right in the real world, but it only has general application on the internet since platforms control which speech is or isn't allowed. The internet law, however, regarding free speech is fuck around and find out.
 
I never said they were, but it’s hard to seriously claim to be a free speech advocate if people saying disgusting shit is enough to completely turn heel and support the kind of witch hunts that the far left supports against the right. There are degrees of hypocrisy you hit whether you burn down a city or not.
Oh no, we're being hypocritical? Jump off a bridge. Turnabout is fair play. Sucks when the boot is on the other foot, huh?
 
Freedom of expression is freedom of expression, no matter how disgusting it may be. If you can see how fucked it was when they did it but choose to do the same you only reveal that there was no difference the whole time, only which side had the institutional power at the time
If the argument is that this is the worst thing to happen to leftists since the last time they were cancelled in the 50s then you are revealing who has held institutional power this entire time. The fact that they have been raging since November 2024 should tell you who holds decorum and who most recently decided to destroy downtown Los Angeles.
 
I realize as I read my own words how much it rankles my heart and soul to use such low tactics, of reporting my fellow mans words to the authority so they might be silenced. Its truly the "break glass in case of emergency option" to me, they just are going to sunder our nation if left unchecked.

but its all different now, they shot the man who personified bridging the gap with conversation IN THE THROAT. Charlie took the bullet but they shot at our very freedom of speech. As we lay the great man to rest it will but up to us if our freedom shall be buried with him.

We shall not seek to use Charlies sensless killing as a call to more violence, the opposite in fact, but it will be the "turining point" if you pardon the pun, in our Nation. No longer will the right sit passively by waiting for time and luck to cause the left to come to their sense. Using the very tactics they developed, pioneered and successfully used, we shall perfect, and with compassion and grace they could never understand, overrule them without trampling their freedoms out of existence.
Very poetic and slightly gayly put, but i couldnt agree more, i was really hoping we wouldnt have to stoop to thier level but theres really no other choice
 
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