What conspiracy theories do you believe in? - Put your tinfoil hats on

[PandaChai]

Putting a Jew on mute is like ignoring the little goblins that live in your pantry.

Don't compare us to Jews, that's just insulting.

 

[Average Russian Spy]

Here's a fun one I remember reading on /x/. It sounds fantastical, but that's what makes it cool.

The reason why commercial radios were pushed so hard during the early 20th century was not for simple entertainment/connecting the country purposes, but was in fact, a concise effort from both the United States government and Protestant leaders to suppress and combat what was essentially a small, but rapidly growing "pagan" faith centering around the worship of the Founding Fathers that was found throughout the Mid West, Appalachians and Deep South and most especially in isolated, rural areas. The project was a success, but fragments of the pagan's beliefs survived and still exist in modern American Christian faiths. Example: Southern Snake cults.

Never found a single source to back any of this up, but I just really like this one.

 

[Richard_Wetpasta]

The reason why commercial radios were pushed so hard during the early 20th century was not for simple entertainment/connecting the country purposes, but was in fact, a concise effort from both the United States government and Protestant leaders to suppress and combat what was essentially a small, but rapidly growing "pagan" faith

It's an interesting proposition but it might be asserting one of many concurrent outcomes was main the cause for it in the first place.

Soapboxing is at the forefront of every major religion, otherwise they wouldn't spread, and what better soapbox was there in the time period? Maybe newspapers but you also had ridiculous illiteracy rates in the time period. Someone would have held religious events over the radio sooner or later.

 

[Average Russian Spy]

It's an interesting proposition but it might be asserting one of many concurrent outcomes was main the cause for it in the first place.

Soapboxing is at the forefront of every major religion, otherwise they wouldn't spread, and what better soapbox was there in the time period? Maybe newspapers but you also had ridiculous illiteracy rates in the time period. Someone would have held religious events over the radio sooner or later.

Pretty certain that is the jist of the theory. If you have a group of faithless heathens with no way of reaching them, or lack the manpower to send missionaries to such remote locations, just give everyone one of those new-fangled radios and then flood their broadcasts with nothing but religious sermons all day. Add in some actual tried and true methods of religious suppression and it could easily work for that specific time period.

 

[Pedophobe]

Here's a fun one I remember reading on /x/. It sounds fantastical, but that's what makes it cool.

The reason why commercial radios were pushed so hard during the early 20th century was not for simple entertainment/connecting the country purposes, but was in fact, a concise effort from both the United States government and Protestant leaders to suppress and combat what was essentially a small, but rapidly growing "pagan" faith centering around the worship of the Founding Fathers that was found throughout the Mid West, Appalachians and Deep South and most especially in isolated, rural areas. The project was a success, but fragments of the pagan's beliefs survived and still exist in modern American Christian faiths. Example: Southern Snake cults.

Never found a single source to back any of this up, but I just really like this one.

Okay so why did other countries do it too?

 

[AnsemSoD1]

Wasn't George Washington and at least a few other important figures in our government a freemason? Because that's not exactly something to be proud of, the Church legit forbids and constantly warns against their influence.

 

[Average Russian Spy]

Okay so why did other countries do it too?

I dunno. It's a silly conspiracy theory I read on /x/ so don't think too deep on it. I just like the idea of it.

 

[VMM_]

Here's a fun one I remember reading on /x/. It sounds fantastical, but that's what makes it cool.

The reason why commercial radios were pushed so hard during the early 20th century was not for simple entertainment/connecting the country purposes, but was in fact, a concise effort from both the United States government and Protestant leaders to suppress and combat what was essentially a small, but rapidly growing "pagan" faith centering around the worship of the Founding Fathers that was found throughout the Mid West, Appalachians and Deep South and most especially in isolated, rural areas. The project was a success, but fragments of the pagan's beliefs survived and still exist in modern American Christian faiths. Example: Southern Snake cults.

Never found a single source to back any of this up, but I just really like this one.

Never heard of this one, but I believe this could be related to the Society of Cincinnati and their hereditary membership in order to keep the memory of the revolution "alive". Some say they secretly run the country. Washington was a member and was chosen as its first president by the group - the whole story of him rejecting kingship is a retelling of the Roman Cincinnatus myth.

Not sure if I buy it, though, since they did a horrible job taking down Mormonism - if anything, they grew even more powerful after the government went after them, Weird, no? Mormonism, funny enough, reveres the forefathers for creating the Declaration and Constitution (10 commandments like), almost like saints. There's this unhinged take on Washington by "ex" CIA agent and Mormon Timothy Ballard, where he says Washington was visited by an angel to help guide the creation of America and Mormonism. It all reads like a new add on for Abrahamism where they sacralize America itself, like how Islam started off as an addon to Christianity amongst the Arabs and eventually became an actual religion due to power conflicts from within.

Here's an interesting piece of artwork in the Capitol building depicting the apotheosis of Washington, i.e., the apotheosis into godhood.



Looks a lot like those domed Jesus frescoes, no?

 

[Meriasek]

The spread of radio and TV were certainly pushed in some countries for specific purposes. In Germany and Italy, radio and TV were used as a tool to unify the languages/dialects. You'll notice that both in Germany and Italy, foreign movies and shows are traditionally dubbed until this day. This was used to spread the use of the common language variant since the local dialects in those countries are actually different languages and often times, southerners and northerners have a hard time understanding each other. Learning the common language in school is one thing, but proper language skills need a constant exposure. So first radio and later TV did their best to use the standard language.
The Third Reich also heavily spread the radio as a propaganda tool. Hitler took lessons from stage actors to train his voice so he'd come across better with the still somewhat primitive broadcasting gear. The microphones were fine (as in, the typical broadcasting microphones were the predecessors of still highly venerated microphones still in studio use), but the recordings themselves had low quality and the radio broadcasts had low bandwidth, so you needed voice training to project your voice properly. It's why Hitler did his particular voice.
TV and radio people would continue to get voice training for that, although the requirements became less extreme so the people didn't sound like Hitler anymore.
He also went to actors to get training for his gestures and stage movements and practiced them, he really was the first to really embrace the new medias as propaganda tools.

 

[Hinttitroniikka]

The radio and tv one got me thinking about how use of English online isn't (or at least is no longer) just use of English, but assimilation into a particular English-speaking culture. Even speaking another Euro language (which is all I know about, so I won't comment on other continents), if Anglicisms start showing up, they're describing something quite modern, if not outright trendy, and frequently American, or at least signalling that such is the speaker's attitude towards the thing. It gets a not a little globohomo for me when they say that it isn't merely slang, rather the concept actually doesn't exist in any other language but English, and certainly not without sounding stupid (this is never, ever true). The blatant, easy example is to see how many Anglicisms are used in "woke" speech in other languages, but you see it in all kinds of fast-moving fashions and fads. Like it or not, language is one of the building blocks of identity and culture, so homogenising language makes it really easy to homogenise thought. I've nooticed a real cultural shift in my time close to ESL education where I can't shake the feeling it's intentional.

 

[teriyakiburns]

The blatant, easy example is to see how many Anglicisms are used in "woke" speech in other languages, but you see it in all kinds of fast-moving fashions and fads.

It's bad enough seeing Bonglish infested with Americanism and American political obsessions (people were ranting about the price of eggs in local government meetings a few months back, when we had a huge surplus and some of the lowest prices I'd seen for a couple of years, entirely because Americans on twitter were talking about the damn things). I can't imagine how annoying it must be for someone from another culture to have their language peppered with random foreign words, merely because they're popular with American activists.

 

[Quence]

Tucker says there are 2 possible reasons…

 

[Screamer_2]

so homogenising language makes it really easy to homogenise thought.

As Jordan Peterson used to say before he went insane. Hey, that could be a conspiracy? "You need language in order to think."

A lot of what would be going on would simply be English speakers are communicating more globally these days and interacting with content that is more global. With a lot of creators copying what others do. Homogenising how they talk. Then on top of that bullshit censorship and moderation on line. Which tends to be woke, leftist would then filter it again.

The problem with the woke stuff, is that it is like a religion and the policing or speech is a major part of it. They're scared to say the wrong thing. Being censor themselves and others. I am sure a part of it's strength is that so many woke things make no sense, but people want to be on the wrong side. They just go along with it, and when you start to think some retarded stuff, you'll be more likely to believe more retarded stuff that defies common sense.

I once stumped a woke friend by in good faith going, "Yeah but what I don't get is, with Trans women are women. How do you separate a trans woman and a woman like you're wife. There's still a difference." He literally claimed to have never considered that. Logic told him I was right, but his woke religion said it was wrong.

Not with him, but in subsequent times around woke people. Often people who used to mock it. One person who works in one of the global banks talking about how ridiculous it is that some executives decides their gender in the morning and no one knows what pronouns to use until they log in for the day or get to the office. Coming around, "it's so easy some people just feel more one way."

I was comfortable enough to start to do my good faith, "but what I don't get" and gently point out the issues. Someone else steps in to shut it down. Not to engage. Not to challenge me, but what I think was to protect me for saying wrong think. It's one of the mechanisms of the cult mentality.

In 1984, there's the concept of Newspeak which is a deliberately impoverished, controlled language designed to restrict thought and enforce conformity, contrasting sharply with the rich, flexible, and expressive nature of English today. Orwell’s depiction warns of how language can be weaponized to limit human potential, a stark contrast to our current linguistic freedom, despite occasional concerns about misinformation or oversimplification in modern discourse.



That last paragraph is AI enhanced. Here's the whole prompt I got on Newspeak.

In George Orwell's 1984, the language of the dystopian society is described through the concept of Newspeak, a controlled language designed by the totalitarian regime of Oceania to limit free thought, self-expression, and individuality. Here's how Newspeak is portrayed as different from our language today:

1. Purposeful Simplification:
   • Newspeak's Goal: Newspeak is engineered to reduce the range of thought by simplifying language. It eliminates words and complexities to make dissent or rebellion ("thoughtcrime") impossible. The fewer words available, the less people can think critically or express nuanced ideas.
   • Modern Comparison: Today’s English (or other natural languages) is expansive, with rich vocabularies that allow for nuanced expression, abstract thought, and creativity. While modern slang or digital communication (e.g., texting) can simplify language, it’s not deliberately restricted to control thought like Newspeak.
2. Reduced Vocabulary:
   • Newspeak: The language systematically eliminates synonyms and antonyms. For example, the word "good" exists, but "bad" is replaced with "ungood." Complex words like "excellent" or "terrible" are removed to limit shades of meaning. The Newspeak dictionary shrinks with each edition.
   • Modern Comparison: Contemporary English has a vast and growing vocabulary, with new words added regularly (e.g., Oxford Dictionary’s 2024 additions like “brainrot” or “demure”). We use synonyms and varied expressions to convey precise emotions or ideas, unlike Newspeak’s deliberate constriction.
3. Elimination of Unorthodox Thought:
   • Newspeak: Words associated with rebellion, individuality, or philosophical concepts (e.g., "freedom," "justice") are either removed or redefined to align with Party ideology. For example, "free" only refers to the absence of physical objects (e.g., "the room is free of bugs") rather than liberty.
   • Modern Comparison: Today, we have a broad lexicon for discussing abstract concepts like freedom, morality, or identity. These terms are debated and interpreted in diverse ways, reflecting open discourse rather than Newspeak’s enforced conformity.
4. Rigid Grammar and Structure:
   • Newspeak: Grammar is standardized to be mechanical and predictable. Prefixes and suffixes (e.g., "un-" for negation, "-ful" for adjectives) create a formulaic language, reducing creativity. Verbs and nouns often merge (e.g., "think" as both noun and verb).
   • Modern Comparison: Modern English allows flexible grammar and creative wordplay (e.g., slang, metaphors, or neologisms like "selfie"). While we have conventions, they aren’t rigidly enforced to suppress thought, and informal speech evolves organically.
5. Emotional Suppression:
   • Newspeak: The language avoids emotional depth. Words like "love" or "hate" are stripped of intensity or replaced with utilitarian terms. This flattens human experience, making it harder to articulate personal feelings.
   • Modern Comparison: Today’s language encourages emotional expression, with a wide range of terms to describe feelings (e.g., "ecstatic," "devastated," "bittersweet"). Social media and modern culture amplify emotional language, unlike Newspeak’s suppression.
6. Doublethink and Ambiguity:
   • Newspeak: Words are often redefined to serve propaganda, enabling "doublethink" (holding contradictory beliefs). For example, "war is peace" or "ignorance is strength" are reinforced by manipulating language to make contradictions seem logical.
   • Modern Comparison: While modern language can be manipulated (e.g., political spin or advertising), it’s not systematically redesigned to enforce contradictions. Critical thinking and access to diverse information sources counteract such control, unlike in 1984.

In summary, Newspeak in 1984 is a deliberately impoverished, controlled language designed to restrict thought and enforce conformity, contrasting sharply with the rich, flexible, and expressive nature of English today. Orwell’s depiction warns of how language can be weaponized to limit human potential, a stark contrast to our current linguistic freedom, despite occasional concerns about misinformation or oversimplification in modern discourse.

 

[Steak Sandwich]

the coconut water you buy from the store isnt actually coconut water.

 

[Meriasek]

The blatant, easy example is to see how many Anglicisms are used in "woke" speech in other languages

Very true. There's a LOT of anglicism incorporation going on in those areas. The concept of "gender" seperate from "sex" doesn't really exist in German, so we're using "gender" now.

 

[snowdunes]

In 1984, there's the concept of Newspeak which is a deliberately impoverished, controlled language designed to restrict thought and enforce conformity, contrasting sharply with the rich, flexible, and expressive nature of English today. Orwell’s depiction warns of how language can be weaponized to limit human potential, a stark contrast to our current linguistic freedom, despite occasional concerns about misinformation or oversimplification in modern discourse.

I made a post about exactly this.

The concept of Newspeak is something I see is often overlooked, new words constantly being made to reduce specifics, to be as vague as possible and avoiding details. It's often hidden as "Neutral language", "corporate speak" or "gentle speak". If it's urgent, they will use the inclusivity angle to push what ever the current thing is. Look at how nigger babble/coon speak is spreading amongst zoomers and how this generation can't even read. I don't think it's coincident that we got immigrants lowering the bar for the linguistic skills and the average persons vocabulary since you "have to" adapt in order to communicate with them. At the same time introducing new words that make no sense from logical perspective, but they are all (((conveniently))) very politically toned. There is also a meme about reddit being a online tool to push this kind of speak as well by having a gamified comment system to incentivise political opinions and certain phrases that people will use/think IRL.

Spoiler: The reddit meme

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Destroy a whole generations vocabulary level with non native speakers in the classrooms and then redo the dictionary to contain a lot of progressive bullshit for the next generation to "learn". Use the internet as an additional medium to enforce the usage of these words.

Newspeak is very much a real thing.

Some farmer also made a list over words that really made me go down this Newspeak rabbit hole: auto-correct, who decides what emojis should be implemented. I even went botherline schizo, but maybe even default fonts in text editors are pozzed to fuck with your writing abilities? Does the computer keyboard mess with your thoughts, compared to just using paper & pen?

 

[Return of the Freaker]

On the topic of conspiracies though. The dumbing down of TV that happened over the last 20ish years. Anyone else remember when there were actual documentaries on TLC and it was partnered with colleges and universities? In the middle 2000s they switched to reality TV slop like my 600 pound life, hoarders, honey boo boo and John and Kate Plus 8.

TLC did a banger documentary on severe weather that I had on a 3 VHS set as a kid. Dumb bitches today probably think "Oh it's TLC like muh pumpkin spice latte or muh self-care getting pump and dumped by my masseuse." They'd probably look at you like you grew 2 heads if you told them it was once "The Learning Channel".

 

[AnsemSoD1]

TLC did a banger documentary on severe weather that I had on a 3 VHS set as a kid. Dumb bitches today probably think "Oh it's TLC like muh pumpkin spice latte or muh self-care getting pump and dumped by my masseuse." They'd probably look at you like you grew 2 heads if you told them it was once "The Learning Channel".

TLC was the modern equivalent of the circus before the internet came along. Look at how much they promoted Jim-Bob-Billy-Bob so fucking hard, stupid prottie bitch (Not you lol)

 

[Hinttitroniikka]

Very true. There's a LOT of anglicism incorporation going on in those areas. The concept of "gender" seperate from "sex" doesn't really exist in German, so we're using "gender" now.

German is a particularly crazy one to me with Neudeutsch and Denglisch, terms like "coole Stories" "Wir haben gedatet" things like that. The claim that you can't say these things in German without sounding old-fashioned or stupid or something is the end goal in my theory. Get rid of these cultures and identities and become unable to read old texts in their original languages, and assimilate into this other dominant thing, so that even very recent history becomes foreign to you. You can't keep up an identity that you don't feel is yours. Whether it's intentional or not, it does work, but I share the thought here because I think that there are some forces who do it intentionally with this globohomo goal in mind. I'm not saying Denglisch is the antichrist, and in a way there's nothing wrong with loanwords, but when you take it so far that you're disconnected from even just your parents' generation because you see something as neutral as language as cringe, that's a problem.

 

[neu]

I'm probably just going to be rambling here and I'm sure this has been asked before but why exactly is it that things went into overdrive circa 2019-2020, followed by what seems to be a general decline in the amount of effort put into concealing the larger, underlying agendas? Sure, I have some ideas of my own but I feel like there has to be more to it.

Maybe I'm wrong and nothing's really changed but to me, it feels like since then things are generally being pushed out faster and at a larger scale with narratives being revised more frequently and more haphazardly. For example, the official narrative surrounding COVID-19 changed countless times in a relatively short time span and a lot of the attempts to conceal any malice just felt lazier than usual. It's also as if they couldn't help but do everything at once, like everyone was supposed to be quarantined but at the same time, there had to be people rioting on the streets to end racism? (There's also the recent Epstein cover-up , which it could just be attributed to TPTB being confident in their ability to operate with impunity but, it exudes incompetence to the extent that it's almost hard to believe it could be that simple; I mean, they could've just continued to say nothing and been better off that way, no?) Once it seemed like the whole thing had subsided, the war in Ukraine broke out and even then, for a while the media would still constantly be talking about a "new variant". I remember the Ghislaine case concluding at around the same time but it feels like it was, almost deliberately, eclipsed by everything else. It's kind of something people joke about but it does kind of feel like "nothing ever happens" now that we're in a state of constant happenings but, maybe that's the point -- to just have so much going on that it's hard to keep track of or even care at all?

Anyways, still not entirely sure why but I just remember 2019 being the year that there was this meteoric rise in identity politics, social justice, etc. type narratives: transgenderism, racism, climate change, the "destigmatization" of prostitution and pornography -- all issues being pushed not on their own merit, but rather for their capacity to be used as a means to further destabilize society. It feels like even before the lockdowns, there was an influx of people becoming some sort of genderspecial faggot or tranny, getting caught up in retarded culture war narratives, being more open about their sexual deviancy, and so on. Also, the internet as a whole really started to go to shit of course, especially with all the strides towards censorship in the wake of the lockdowns, and I remember AI was just on its way to becoming a really mainstream thing at around this time as well. It just feels like the turn of the most recent decade marked probably the greatest strides that have been made towards insidious hidden agendas since 9/11 but sadly it seems like somehow, the vast majority of people legitimately just forget shit the same day it happens.