US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

General Trump Banner.png

Should be a wild four years.

Helpful links for those who need them:

Current members of the House of Representatives
https://www.house.gov/representatives

Current members of the Senate
https://www.senate.gov/senators/

Current members of the US Supreme Court
https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/biographies.aspx

Members of the Trump Administration
https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/
 
Última edición por un moderador:
every time I take a political compass test I’m like one click right and two clicks libertarian, so they’re calling me centrist

But centrist is wholly unsatisfactory, because nobody believes in wignat tier militant centrism. It’s not edgy enough

But what I think the cause is, is because I don’t even really care to use a slippery metric derived from eighteenth century France

Dead ass center is -conservatism- and the clicks away from center represent my desire to revert, to load a prior state from before everything was as fucked as it is
One click right, two clicks liberty, but how many clicks on the z-axis?

The machine of politics has many different axises axes. Left vs Right isn't nuanced enough. Add a liberty vs authority axis? What about 3 axis? 5 axis? Break out the 12 axis machine for some real political triangulation!

When you squint and look at the 2D diagram from a certain angle you can kinda divide voters into 2 lumps. Anyone outside the reach of those 2 lumps is mostly ignored or used to paint the enemy group in a bad light.

"Centerist" mostly just means somebody either party could possibly pander to. The parties buy the cheap votes first; especially the ones that win them power (good bang for the buck). You can collectively bargain with them if you want (lobbying, voting groups, demographics, etc). They're going to try to make you pick from 2 bad options like any crooked salesman would. They start getting really worried when you start building something outside their system.
 
You cannot spell the name of the ideology right. That speaks for itself.
Oh totally. My phone sucks and isn't very responsive anymore and I can't be bothered to spell check so fascism must be right wing!
>right wing Americans
>befuddled by actual right wing politics

Many such cases. - See also to how most Americans react to Monarchism.

This is a problem when you have people in "young" America trying to place political ideologies originating in "old" Europe through a Dem vs. GOP lens. From a POV of American history, "far right" politics would be akin to a lolbert slaver secessionist movement from 140+ years ago which didn't even last half a decade. By this "all variants of Fascism (or Fascism as a political concept period) is left wing because muh socialist/syndicalist" thinking, then Charles Coughlin, GL Rockwell, Charles Lindbergh, and Gerald Smith were all screaming lefties.
Fascism originates out of left wing political ideologies in Europe. I'm really not sure how you can say it's right wing when they were competing for the same voters at the same places as each other lol I'm not even going to get into German monarchism aka the actual right of that time in Germany that the commies always conveniently forget existed
 
every time I take a political compass test I’m like one click right and two clicks libertarian, so they’re calling me centrist

But centrist is wholly unsatisfactory, because nobody believes in wignat tier militant centrism. It’s not edgy enough
My issue with tests like that is that they're never clear about the hypothetical in which these issues exist and are scored. Like am I supposed to answer the questions about the usage of state power or military force in relation to my view of US politics or geopolitics as they exist in real life? Or am I supposed to be answering them in a purely hypothetical ideal society where the government represents my views, preferred outcomes are a guarantee and I don't have to worry about commies slinking into power and abusing it against me? Because my answers to political compass tests are vastly different depending on the answer to that question.
 
My issue with tests like that is that they're never clear about the hypothetical in which these issues exist and are scored. Like am I supposed to answer the questions about the usage of state power or military force in relation to my view of US politics or geopolitics as they exist in real life? Or am I supposed to be answering them in a purely hypothetical ideal society where the government represents my views, preferred outcomes are a guarantee and I don't have to worry about commies slinking into power and abusing it against me? Because my answers to political compass tests are vastly different depending on the answer to that question.
Like Null on the abortion issue. What race is it.
 
Oh totally. My phone sucks and isn't very responsive anymore and I can't be bothered to spell check so fascism must be right wing!

Fascism originates out of left wing political ideologies in Europe. I'm really not sure how you can say it's right wing when they were competing for the same voters at the same places as each other lol I'm not even going to get into German monarchism aka the actual right of that time in Germany that the commies always conveniently forget existed
This really does become such a meandering topic. Like it's funny to see people argue if the Founding Fathers would be conservative and liberal. And liberals will claim they would be on their side unless they want to harp on about Slavery.

Love reading about Thomas Jefferson, he was the most colorful President of the OGs. Liberals like to point out how he supported the French Revolution (which was what Marx essentially lifted wholesale conceptually). They ignore that Jefferson was put off entirely by the Reign of Terror. Is Napoleon considered Right/Far Right because he opposed the Jacobins? Do we then ignore that Napoleonic Code was one of the most progressive government reforms?
 
"Centerist" mostly just means somebody either party could possibly pander to. The parties buy the cheap votes first; especially the ones that win them power (good bang for the buck). You can collectively bargain with them if you want (lobbying, voting groups, demographics, etc). They're going to try to make you pick from 2 bad options like any crooked salesman would. They start getting really worried when you start building something outside their system.
No, I mean like in a million ways, I don’t SEE myself as centrist. Nobody would ever make the mistake that I’m ok with the left as it exists.

The problem is that everyone has dumb ideas, and what appears as centrism is actually my rejecting dumb ideas from all directions.

I think where we were socially in the 80’s and 90’s when I was a kid seemed fine.. being -not- racist wasn’t performative virtue signalling about how many inches of African dick you could take, it was just live and let live, with plenty of options to live somewhere that people you didn’t like weren’t there.

I wish the economy hadn’t been so cucked, like I wish we kept manufacturing, and I wish it was still plausible to buy a house with money you just saved from a blue collar job over a few years instead of taking out a thirty year mortgage. Basically I’m content with like 90%+ of trumpism, and I think he usually is making the moves I’d like to see, he just has to decide to cross the rubicon

But what was a “right wing” policy during Bush II? Privatizing social security? I don’t want to feed the stock market like that; I think “line go up” cultism in regards to a wholly abstract conceptualization of the economy and cargo cult belief that loan liquidity = investment = gdp growth is as stupid of a model as militantly not knowing what a girl is
 
Yes, a child rapist such as Donald J. Trump will use his position of power to make lighthearted jokes to soften the blow over the fact that he frequently had 15-ways with Bill Clinton, Jeffrey Epstein, and 12 Prepubescent minors.
This is exactly something Napoleon Bonerfart would say and I unironically really appreciate it.
 
The latest New Republic magazine cover. Yet another example of Trump's enemies making him look awesome while attempting to do the opposite.
Ver archivo adjunto 7308926
Honestly, I don't think the MSM can say the right "captured the culture" when none of the major studios aren't willing to make anything for them. Compare to when the first seasons of The Simpsons were coming out, or when the Fox network started in general. The people who made it saw the tides turning, and made something to help drive it and capitalize on it. Barely anyone wants to make media for the radical right, as they keep claiming what the left wants is the future instead.
 
I think where we were socially in the 80’s and 90’s when I was a kid seemed fine.. being -not- racist wasn’t performative virtue signalling about how many inches of African dick you could take, it was just live and let live, with plenty of options to live somewhere that people you didn’t like weren’t there.
I don't think those conditions were ever going to last more than two or three decades. Social power vacuums, like all power vacuums, are merely transitory periods from one authority to the next: in the case of "live and let live" tolerance, from largely-traditional Christian morality to progressives' inverted morality.
 
You want me to prove that the White House is posting memes about Donald Trump looking like the Pope?

I mean, most people could just go to the White House's social media accounts and take a look for themselves, but like, if you lost your hands in Vietnam and can't use a computer mouse, then, well, I didn't really have respect for veterans to begin with.
This is not evidence.
No, what? I wasn’t saying anything about @Conan
@gay porn is the best porn is the person I was calling a Reddit tier diaper sniffer
Ah, my mistake.
they aren't socialist, at least not in practice
Socialist is in the name. I hate communists, socialists, democratic socialists, "worker's" parties, Marxists, and everything in between. It's a binary thing for me, unfortunately.
Obligatory Captain Planet posting:

Ver archivo adjunto 7313066
Now this is pod racing.
This immediately makes me think of Anthony Cumia jokes.
There is a non-zero chance that one of my ancestors was a Corsican pimp.
 
I've been reading this thread since page 1, and I don't recall seeing it thought it was kinda different. Krout government wants nukes and the public seem to be very much warming up to the idea.
Ver archivo adjunto 7311412
Didn't they shut down the nuclear reactors because people were afraid of them? What the fuck?
 
Atrás
Top Abajo