US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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Blewberry Nausea dijo:
Look you faggots, Trump is doing this, get it in your skulls. Tomorrow Bondi is going to start detaining every fucking culprit still in the US, execute extraordinary rendition on those who aren’t, and fucking murder any idiot dumb enough to resist. That includes all the Democrat morons, the press, the fucking ACLU, and every retarded judge that makes even a squeak. Strap in, cook some popcorn, and enjoy the fucking ride because none of us are in control of this fucking pain train!
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All they had to do was let Trump play golf with Abe, but instead they pushed the man too far.
 
FILTH Tourist dijo:
You can make the argument that a fingerprint fulfills the function of a signature. So if a president is unable to sign, they could autopen and then stamp their thumb on the document as a way to say they are present and endorse the signature. But if your president is at a point they can't sign anything, then you should get a new president.
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Isn't this literally the point of the Vice President's position as well as the 25th Amendment? If the President is incapacitated -- for example, if he's undergoing surgery -- then the Vice President takes control until he's available again.



As an aside, the price shock finally hit Costco in the PNW. Chicken prices per pound have doubled in the past two weeks, from $3.50/lb to $7.01/lb, and I apparently just barely missed a run on the store as breasts, thinly sliced breasts, bone-in breasts, bone-in thighs, etc etc, are all completely gone. Only thing left is boneless thighs: Just shy of $40 for a pack of about 5.5 pounds. Whole chickens are $1.74/lb, however, so it might be time to learn how to butcher my own chicken. Thank god zoomers and millenials don't know about lentils, or I'd be screwed. (Edit: Lentils appear to have increased too, but I can't tell if $2.29 for a pound of lentils is a lot higher than the last time I bought any. I seem to remember it was $1ish when I did.)

Other vittles: Ground Beef is $6 a pound. Beef is $7 to $15 a pound. Pork remains sane, $2.68 to $5 a pound depending on cut.
 
the printer is outo fink dijo:
Someone could have a temporary injury that stops them from signing things for a while. Like if their dominant arm/wrist/hand got broken in a place where their fingers and thumb had to be immobilised for 6 weeks. But you'd probably want to ensure that everything they signed in whatever way they did, was witnessed, preferably on camera, and it was noted on the document that it was signed by autopen/finger print and who the official witnesses were.
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Trump style just works, it's in front of a crowd, and on camera. For a no arms president or similar, "i want this signed, use the autopen" in the same setup would be perfectly fine.

The whole point is that Biden spent 4 years hiding, basically communicated through his advisors, that bitch jill, the nigger press secretary etc. The few time Biden himself talked it was clear the lights were out up there.
 
HTTP Error 404 dijo:
Isn't this literally the point of the Vice President's position as well as the 25th Amendment? If the President is incapacitated -- for example, if he's undergoing surgery -- then the Vice President takes control until he's available again.
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I don't think the VP gets all the president's power when they are filling in. Otherwise, we would have gotten stories of some wild VP pardons when the President is getting surgery done or something. The VP and cabinet can do a vote of no confidence, which would make the VP the new president if the president is actually incapacitated.
 
the printer is outo fink dijo:
Someone could have a temporary injury that stops them from signing things for a while. Like if their dominant arm/wrist/hand got broken in a place where their fingers and thumb had to be immobilised for 6 weeks. But you'd probably want to ensure that everything they signed in whatever way they did, was witnessed, preferably on camera, and it was noted on the document that it was signed by autopen/finger print and who the official witnesses were.
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If you look at the Wikipedia page for autopen there is an entire section on US presidents using them since ages ago.
I think the only way the autopen argument works is if someone in the administration actually comes out (with receipts) and says Biden wasn't mentally sound or wasn't even aware of his signature being used on things.

I'm guessing though it may be a case of him asking to pardon his own son and being forced or pushed to pardon several other people.
 
Useful_Mistake dijo:
Trump overruled Biden's pardons.
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Is there anything in the actual law that allows for pardons to be undone? If not, then it isn't possible.

I appreciate Trump's attempts to try and fix things, but he has to realize that he literally can't just make shit up. That's not how a country of rule and law works.

He also needs to remember just because he believes something to be true doesn't mean it is. Unless he can prove what he is saying, it has no legal validity.
 
neger psykolog dijo:
I'm guessing though it may be a case of him asking to pardon his own son and being forced or pushed to pardon several other people.
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The Hunter pardon looks legit. It's the last day pardons that Trump is challenging. I think what happened is when Biden was getting ready for his last day, some Biden staffers got frantic phone calls from people asking for a pardon, and they went ahead and did it because Biden is too busy getting his morning breakfast of ice cream and stimulants.

Chainsaw Juggler dijo:
Trump's been doing a good job creating the news cycle and keeping his political enemies sputtering in the fumes. Is Milley about to find out what "white rage" is? Maybe call it orange rage?
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Milley should be more worried about the upcoming treason charge.

let a man hope.:optimistic:
 
Prokhor Zakharov dijo:
Is there anything in the actual law that allows for pardons to be undone? If not, then it isn't possible.

I appreciate Trump's attempts to try and fix things, but he has to realize that he literally can't just make shit up. That's not how a country of rule and law works.

He also needs to remember just because he believes something to be true doesn't mean it is. Unless he can prove what he is saying, it has no legal validity.
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Technically I don't think he has undone any pardons.
He is not undoing or cancelling any pardons. The entire premise is that the pardons never happened in the first place.

That is a very important distinction.
 
Hitlerswag420 dijo:
Zero chance this actually holds up. The president has the power to issue unconditional pardons. Using an electric pen instead of his hand to make the signature makes no difference. Sorry to anybody who wants to see fauci in prison, but remember that whatever power you give to your side, it will be used by the other side when the pendulum swings in that direction
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Feels like that's the end goal. Keep balkanizing US harder and harder.
 
FILTH Tourist dijo:
The Hunter pardon looks legit. It's the last day pardons that Trump is challenging. I think what happened is when Biden was getting ready for his last day, some Biden staffers got frantic phone calls from people asking for a pardon, and they went ahead and did it because Biden is too busy getting his morning breakfast of ice cream and stimulants.
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Yeah but you could also just as easily rationalize it that the administration was worried about their own party pushing back on the pardons because they were excessive or (insert concern here), so they timed them to be on the last day.

And "last day pardons" have happened way before this:
  • "In the 18th century, George Washington granted the first high-profile federal pardon to leaders of the Whiskey Rebellion on his final day in office"
  • "In the 21st century, Clinton's pardons of 140 people on his last day in office, January 20, 2001, including billionaire fugitive Marc Rich and his own half-brother, Roger Clinton, were heavily criticized."
 
Prokhor Zakharov dijo:
Is there anything in the actual law that allows for pardons to be undone? If not, then it isn't possible.

I appreciate Trump's attempts to try and fix things, but he has to realize that he literally can't just make shit up. That's not how a country of rule and law works.

He also needs to remember just because he believes something to be true doesn't mean it is. Unless he can prove what he is saying, it has no legal validity.
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There's nothing that allows pardons to be undone. The question is whether they were pardons in the first place.
If I wiped my ass on a piece of paper and called it a presidential pardon, would that count? No, so there must be some criteria.
This is Trump taking the position that a White House staffer copying the president's signature without his knowledge doesn't count.
 
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