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Should be a wild four years.

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I think the real takeaway of the night was Trump floating zero interest on American cars.

That might be too much, too good to be true? Like, you want to get cars to a “meh” place where the cost/benefit isn’t skewed too bad between males and models, and then win the customers with quality. It’s outright hostile to just poison the market against Japanese and German cars. I love BMW but actually Germany is really fucking gay right now, so maybe just don’t poison the market against Japanese cars. Japan is like our best friend on the planet

I’d rather one of two things.

1: a stripped down options that an average person has a chance in hell of being able to afford in cash and totally sidestep financing

2; repeal planned obsolescence, bring back cars that live for 20-30 years

But either way, just saying those magic words.. Trump wants us to actually make cars again. He should get a third term just for that
 
Where is that bill "waiting to be signed" cutting tax on OT and tips? I don't see it on the docket, but I don't know how the house dockets work
I don't know if the Senate already passed it, but it already passed the house a week ago or so which is why it might not be on the docket. It was attached to the preliminary spending bill/budget and all the House Democrats voted against it. Only 1 House Republican voted against it citing that it would increase the deficit and spending by a substantial amount it was no good.
 
In another thread, @Super-Chevy454 shared a great article about historical American tariffs:
February 28, 2025

What Trump can Learn from McKinley's Tariffs​

By Quentin R. Skrabec Jr.

If Trump is to be successful as regards tariffs, he must look at President William McKinley’s successes and mistakes.

As a young, struggling congressman, William McKinley’s friend President Rutherford Hayes told him to specialize and develop expertise in tariff policy. McKinley's first legislative effort as a congressman was to increase tariffs in 1877. McKinley rose quickly to chair of the Ways and Means Committee. McKinley was instrumental in forming a Tariff Commission and became a framer of the 1882 Tariff Bill.

His chairmanship led to the passage of the famous "McKinley" Tariff Act of 1890. The Tariff of 1890 went too far and lacked the appropriate guardrails to address inflation and potential trade wars. The 1890 Tariff roughly added a 50% tariff on all manufacturing imports. McKinley’s colleagues overruled him, following the model of tariffs as revenue producers versus McKinley’s model of protectionism for American industry. The short-term adverse effects and political impact cost McKinley and many other Republicans their seats two years later.

McKinley's return to Congress in 1896 would be the forge for America's first voting alliance of workingmen and manufacturing capitalists, which won him the White House twice.

The era of McKinley tariff protection lasted from 1880 to 1920. In 1880, the American steel industry struggled to expand against British steel's supremacy but flourished under the McKinley tariffs. Steel production went from 1.3 million tons in 1880 to 11.2 million tons in 1900 to 28.3 million tons in 1910. In 1898, the American steel industry surpassed Britain in pig iron production. The U.S. gross national product grew from an estimated $11 billion in 1880 to $18.7 billion in 1890 to $35.3 billion in 1910. The American glass industry was another struggling industry in 1880 due to imports. By 1910, the McKinley tariffs reversed the trend, and the glass industry had increased its output five to tenfold. During the peak tariff years of 1896 to 1901 under President McKinley, steel production increased 111%, electrical equipment production increased 271%, and farm equipment increased 149%. During the same period, wages increased by 10% and employment by 20%. Even more impressive to free traders, prices fell as productivity and innovation mushroomed. Macro and microeconomic data of the period continue to be debated, but McKinley won the working-class dinner table.

LESSONS LEARNED

Patience

An example of McKinley’s short-term failure and long-term success was tinplate. England had destroyed American tinplate production and controlled the market at the time. Tinplate household items and canned products were essential to American farmers and the frontier.

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In the short run, the McKinley tariffs did increase the price of tinplate with the 1890 Tariff Act. The Republicans lost Congress and the presidency in a landslide in 1892, with McKinley losing his seat. The goal, of course, in the long run, was to develop the American infant industries such as tinplate. The high price spurred exploration for tin and increased American investment in tinplate and canning. Before 1890, there were a handful of tinplate manufacturers in the United States, but by 1893, 200 mills produced 13,000,000 pounds of tinplate. The cost of tinplate dropped dramatically by 1895 as the McKinley tariffs created a competitive domestic tinplate industry, putting profits back into the business. It was a harsh lesson of the market and domestic production lagging.

Short-term tariffs can increase prices depending on many factors, but there are ways to address that issue. Trump has no time to waste; based on McKinley’s success, we are looking at three to four years and, in some industries, longer.

Reciprocity and Trade Wars

Reciprocity was central to McKinley’s plan, based on fairness. This trade fairness destroys the drive for retaliation and trade wars. McKinley used reciprocity to pacify free traders. Most importantly, it builds public support. The public’s ability to accept some pain in the short run requires the McKinley idea of tariff reciprocity. Unilateral tariff-free trade can lower prices but comes with lost jobs and wages in the short range.

McKinley’s reciprocity approach was based on a product versus a national approach. Tariffs at the national level are simple to implement but lack fairness or at least a perceived fairness. Reciprocal tariffs on products shipped to products received are hard to argue with.

Forcing Domestic Investment

McKinley used a congressional regulatory committee to help limit the free traders’ opposition, assuring fairness and that companies invested in jobs, not filling their pockets. Big companies were routinely called into question about tariff benefits and investment.

Reparations for Those Unfairly Hurt

One of McKinley’s tariff failures was his inability to address fairness and trade war attacks on specific voter segments. In particular, the farmers of the McKinley era were hurt by the higher cost of goods and equipment. McKinley tried to absorb the voter blowback, but it initially cost the Republicans many seats. Trump’s first term addressed this with success. He used the tariff revenue to support the farmers. Competitors and political opposition will look to target specific voting segments in democracies. Tariff revenues offer the necessary defense to help those unfairly caught in the warfare and must be used as such.

Infant Industries and Product Focus.

Creating jobs quickly is difficult, but it is key to success. In the McKinley era, low-cost German pickles dominated the United States. McKinley put a 40 percent tax on pickles and made H. J. Heinz a major employer in the nation. McKinley’s ability to develop an American tin plate was more typical, being in the three to four-year range.

Flexibility, Review, and “Cutouts”

Tariffs can cause unintended consequences and domestic market disruptions that must be addressed quickly to avoid hurting American industries. A Tariff Commission was developed to constantly review specific product tariffs, industry profits, and jobs.

The situation is much more complicated today, with auto and steel product supply chains moving products and components back and forth across countries. Problems and cutouts must be addressed quickly.

A Strong Business Environment

McKinley had a strong business tailwind to handle the short-term possible price increases. Everything must be done to encourage growth. McKinley’s era was generally favorable because there were no individual or corporate income taxes.

Trump will need tax cuts, reduced regulation, foreign investment, and increased oil production to build a strong domestic economic foundation.

Another international tool McKinley didn’t have to address is currency manipulation and foreign government intervention in industry, which can be used to modify tariff policy. These ancillary factors favor non-democratic and authoritarian governments that can apply the full force of a united national policy.

McKinley showed that protective tariffs can strengthen American manufacturing, but it is a longer-term strategy. To sustain the policy, moderate short-term pain, and maintain public support requires flexibility to address unintended consequences, overview to assure profits are going to jobs, helping those hurt in the short run, routine review of product and market outcomes, and finally, making the cutouts and adjustments as needed.

Image: Library of Congress

The most important part:
The era of McKinley tariff protection lasted from 1880 to 1920. In 1880, the American steel industry struggled to expand against British steel's supremacy but flourished under the McKinley tariffs. Steel production went from 1.3 million tons in 1880 to 11.2 million tons in 1900 to 28.3 million tons in 1910. In 1898, the American steel industry surpassed Britain in pig iron production. The U.S. gross national product grew from an estimated $11 billion in 1880 to $18.7 billion in 1890 to $35.3 billion in 1910. The American glass industry was another struggling industry in 1880 due to imports. By 1910, the McKinley tariffs reversed the trend, and the glass industry had increased its output five to tenfold. During the peak tariff years of 1896 to 1901 under President McKinley, steel production increased 111%, electrical equipment production increased 271%, and farm equipment increased 149%. During the same period, wages increased by 10% and employment by 20%. Even more impressive to free traders, prices fell as productivity and innovation mushroomed. Macro and microeconomic data of the period continue to be debated, but McKinley won the working-class dinner table.

The GNP of the US tripled under the McKinley tariffs as we created numerous new industries. Also, that increase was real, unlike a lot of today’s “growth”, because the Federal Reserve didn’t exist back then.
 
Where is that bill "waiting to be signed" cutting tax on OT and tips? I don't see it on the docket, but I don't know how the house dockets work

It's part of the congressional spending bills that were presented in both the Senate and the House. The House bill has already passed a vote so it just needs to pass the Senate. I don't know the standing of the Senate bill but the no tax on tips is part of Trump's "one big beautiful bill" campaign. Hope this helps.

Edit: actually I'm wrong, it's been introduced as two separate bills in both the House and Senate. Link tool not working at the moment so I can't shorten them.

Senate: https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/129

House: https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/482/history
 
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So let me get this straight. Democrats, people who spend millions on think tanks and media experts, think the following will work for them:
  • Not standing together or cheering a kid with a brain tumor being made a glowie (lol) or grieving moms.
  • Not standing for women and betting it all on troons.
  • Having a retarded nigger get kicked out in the most homosexual way possible.
  • Have a response made by yet another retarded cross eyed nigger who complains about theft and the economy, despite how bad things got buttfucked by Biden.
  • Somehow try to convince Americans federal bloat and wasteful world spending is good.
  • Saying war is good.
  • Think Americans care about the feelings of Canada, Mexico, and most laughably Europe.
  • Hold tiny faggy signs that are easily shooped.
  • All make a copy paste short vid whining like faggots.
  • Use Reddit bots and try to make it a main platform for propaganda.
Holy fuck. Imagine paying countless millions for strategy like this. DNC, you gotta fire whoever is advising you. Put me in, coach. I’ll save the democrats and all you have to do is pay me $50 per hour and let me drone Pikers LA home.
 
Good God almighty this thread is ridiculously fast. Skimming highlights when I can and I'm still 100 pages behind.

All I want to say right now is it is extremely amusing seeing leftists/"communists" seethe about stock prices and free trade. If Hitler rose from his grave tomorrow and said "Trump bad" they'd use that as flak too. Clown people.
 
The problem the dems have is that they dont have hatchetmen like Carville or their version of Karl Rove to win anymore. It’s all theater kids now. It’s all performance and Jon Stewart like.
 
So let me get this straight. Democrats, people who spend millions on think tanks and media experts, think the following will work for them:
Seems Democrats have learned absolutely nothing from all those craptacular fails that led to Trump getting elected in the first place. And it looks more like doubling down.
 
Nope. Not at all. Let’s say you have a Chinese company that makes cheap Chinese toys. Each toy costs about $1 to make but is priced $5 for retail. If a 25% tariff is added, the Chinese company would still want their cheap Chinese toys to be cheaper than American toys, so they would just let the tariff eat into their profit margin.
yes and no. some chinese manus are likely to move production or ship to a sea country for final export with fake papers to avoid tarriffs, others will keep their prices and the importer will pass the cost to customers. importers may source productions from non chinese countries to avoid tarriffs. But somethings arent made in china like beer/spirit distilleries which are made in the eu. ofc there are solutions such as buying used equipment or cooperative purchases to get discounts on large orders.
 
The GNP of the US tripled under the McKinley tariffs as we created numerous new industries. Also, that increase was real, unlike a lot of today’s “growth”, because the Federal Reserve didn’t exist back then.
Trump made the argument in his speech that the tariffs he has introduced are juxtaposed against international trade that already involves huge tariffs against us or nations that outright block our sales of important goods. It's a good piece in the larger argument for or against tariffs that doesn't get enough air time. Usually tariff criticism amounts to something like:
-tariffs historically always bad, therefore tariffs bad (limited evidence given if any)
-Trump is starting trade wars

Essentially his argument that he reiterated in his speech is that the global trade economy has a lot of people with a lot of fingers on the scale, and it's our turn to stop bending over and accepting that and to start putting an equal number of fingers on the scale to bolster domestic goods and manufacturing.

He even admitted there would probably be hardship, although Democrats are fair to criticize that he downplayed it (probably one of their only good criticisms of the night), but I prefer he keeps that real, whereas a Democrat president would just change definitions and how data is gathered to tell you that the economy is great and thanksgiving dinner is getting cheaper.
 
Considering one of the big takes from democrats online I've seen since last night is that the dems in the chamber should have stood and been removed/walked out, one at a time, after Al Green was removed, making the speech unwatchable for the American viewer, somehow I think their messaging and optics was a little off last night.
It's why i been seeing them get called cowards on reddit and even twitter. They're so delusional that they think al greene's gonna get murdered for embarrassing himself. They keep bringing up MTG for doing something similar to biden years ago. They complained that she didn't get escorted out for it. she was retarded for that, but who's fault was it for not stopping her for making ass of herself then and how is it relevant to what happened now when al kept trying to stop trump from finishing his speech????
 
The Democrats, any Democrat, had a golden opportunity to stand up last night and cheer while Trump announced "no tax on overtime and tips", or the even the cop cancer kid, or anything else that was a no-brainer to cheer for.

If like Fetterman, or any other Dem, had done that, they would've shown themselves to be the lone sane Democrat that all the hordes of disenchanted and disgusted Dem voters could rally behind come the midterms, and finally vote to get some sanity back in their party.

It was a perfect opportunity for a Dem politician to stand above the swamp of lunacy that was the Democrats at that address, and declare "Fuck the rest of these lunatics! Vote for me and end this crazy shit!"

But, of course, it didn't happen.

Because the DNC is solid, 24-carat lunatics, and nobody is crawling out of that swamp.
 
It's why i been seeing them get called cowards on reddit and even twitter. They're so delusional that they think al greene's gonna get murdered for embarrassing himself. They keep bringing up MTG for doing something similar to biden years ago. They complained that she didn't get escorted out for it. she was retarded for that, but who's fault was it for not stopping her for making ass of herself then and how is it relevant to what happened now when al kept trying to stop trump from finishing his speech????
I don't think even Republicans at the time would have argued against the Speaker throwing out a cheeky threat to eject her after that charade. Or did that happen? It's been so long. Regardless, Mr. Green fucked around and then didn't comply for whatever #resist shit he wanted to embody, and the Speaker made it clear he needed to sit down and stop shaking his cane like he's about to pull a Preston Brooks on the president, so out he goes.
 
@Gehenna after tonight's speech, do you have any insight you could add pertaining to Republicans in Congress working on getting stuff done to accomplish Trump's plans or anything like that? I guess I don't really know what specific question I'm wanting to ask of you, but you always seem like the guy who knows what's going on behind the scenes.
You want an update? The update is "Fuck the 'Freedom Caucus'". They are trying to hold any bill hostage unless Johnson gives them all sorts of pie-in-the-sky shit that will never pass the Senate and will serve no purpose but to hand the Democrats easy wins.
 
The Democrats, any Democrat, had a golden opportunity to stand up last night and cheer while Trump announced "no tax on overtime and tips", or the even the cop cancer kid, or anything else that was a no-brainer to cheer for.

If like Fetterman, or any other Dem, had done that, they would've shown themselves to be the lone sane Democrat that all the hordes of disenchanted and disgusted Dem voters could rally behind come the midterms, and finally vote to get some sanity back in their party.

It was a perfect opportunity for a Dem politician to stand above the swamp of lunacy that was the Democrats at that address, and declare "Fuck the rest of these lunatics! Vote for me and end this crazy shit!"

But, of course, it didn't happen.

Because the DNC is solid, 24-carat lunatics, and nobody is crawling out of that swamp.
More like Dems have always been crabs in a bucket and if any of them stood up and cheered for ANYTHING not only would all the blackmail the party had on them immediately be 'discovered' but they would also be relentlessly attacked by every single Dem til they were out of a job or worse
 
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