UN Mexico Must Keep Cool Head on Trump Orders, Sheinbaum Says - President [Sheinbaum] says US can’t intervene in Mexico against cartels; Sheinbaum says focused on details rather than Trump rhetoric

Mexico Must Keep Cool Head on Trump Orders, Sheinbaum Says (archive)
By: Maya Averbuch; Bloomberg Politics
Published: January 21, 2025 at 2:10 PM UTC


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President Claudia Sheinbaum called on Mexicans to focus on the fine print of Donald Trump’s executive orders on immigration and trade, while warning the US against intervening in her nation’s territory.

“It’s important to always keep a cool head and refer to the signed orders beyond the actual rhetoric,” Sheinbaum said at her daily morning press conference, before stressing that her government wants to avoid confrontation with the US. “That’s what counts before the law, strictly speaking.”

In her first statements since Trump signed numerous immigration-related orders, promised to designate Mexican cartels as foreign terrorist groups and renewed his pledge to place hefty tariffs on the country’s goods, Sheinbaum emphasized that she would defend Mexico’s “sovereignty and independence.”

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She added that she was waiting for Foreign Affairs Minister Juan Ramon de la Fuente and US Secretary of State Marco Rubio to begin formal talks between the two nations.

Sheinbaum, who has spoken by phone with Trump twice, did not respond directly to his renewed promise to impose 25% tariffs on Mexico as soon as Feb. 1, but said that the decree he signed includes preparation for the 2026 review of the USMCA, the North American free trade agreement.

The Mexican peso weakened as much as 1.4% before trimming losses a day after Trump’s remarks, the worst performance among emerging market currencies.

Sheinbaum has sought to avoid tariffs on all Mexican goods, which could jeopardize nearly $800 billion in annual trade between the neighboring nations and call into question the protections of the USMCA agreement, which Trump signed in 2020. Trump had said that he is considering asking Mexico and Canada to renegotiate the deal’s terms.

Migration, Cartels
Sheinbaum downplayed Trump’s executive order declaring an emergency on the border with Mexico and his plans to send armed forces to bolster security there, emphasizing that the text of the decree is very similar to the actions he took during his first term as president.

Mexico will act in a humanitarian manner but also seek to repatriate foreigners to their countries of origin if the US removes them, she said. “Remain in Mexico,” the program Trump’s government said it would reinstate, required migrants to wait for their US immigration court cases in Mexican territory.

Mexico also outlined its strategy for the deportation of its own citizens from the US, with Interior Minister Rosa Icela Rodriguez stating that there were 189 buses ready to transport them from the border to Mexican help centers and 100 available to bring them to their states of origin. De la Fuente emphasized a series of options for those detained, including an app with a panic button and access to support at consulates in the US.

Trump also said Monday that he would designate Mexican drug cartels and other groups as foreign terrorist organizations. In response, Sheinbaum said that the US could take actions that it deems necessary against criminal groups, including the cartels, in its own territory, but not within Mexico.

Analysts have said an aggressive interpretation of the law could make companies vulnerable to charges of offering material support to terrorists. It could also pave the way for US military action into Mexico, an idea Trump floated prior to starting his second term.
 
AW HELL NAW NOT THE MEXICAN LIFE ALERT, HELP I'M DETAINED AND I CAN'T GET OUT!
 
imagine being president of a country whose entire existence is either drug cartels or losing literally millions of your own citizens each year to emigration.
 
Maynez was the Jill Stein mexican candidates, the stage was installed and approved by its own party. Unless you claim that his own people tried to get him
I mean, it's possible. I think it would be hasty to rule out foul play here.

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Look at the timeline of events here. Look at it in the context of all these other politicians dropping like flies while this is happening. There's eight days between the most desperate "please fucking drop out" olive branch from the PRI (whose candidate was also a Davos asset), and then 10 of his people dying. You don't find any of that a little suspicious?
 
I'm not against cartel guys getting killed and honestly it'd be pretty awesome to see them getting whacked by spec ops, but by and large cartel guys blend into society and it's often very difficult to tie them to cartel activity in any legal sense.

Sure, low level guys who do the dirty work and can be seen in public in tacticool waving AR-15's around will be slapped around, but there have been numerous times major cartel guys have been captured by the authorities only to get any case against them thrown out. Of course, much of this is thanks to corruption from judges etc, but there are many reasons as they have very broad support networks. From low level guys ready to take falls, complex money laundering networks, to high level government benefactors. They also generally have human rights organizations batting for them whether it's corruption or retarded suicidal empathy. So these guys can be 100% involved in cartel business but in a legal sense are nothing more than farmers or whatever, and you'd be subverting the entire Mexican justice system to kill based on unproven allegations, on Mexico's turf. No way would they stand for this when time and time again Mexico's justice system protects these people.

It gets even murkier when you consider the same threshold of evidence that could designate random civilians as cartel members could totally apply to police officers, politicians and god knows who else who has cartel ties. Often times local police forces are on the cartel payroll and directly working for them for example, so can the US kill their corrupt cops too? That's a whole other can of worms. Cartels will no doubt also happily play this game of implicating their own targets in cartel business if they know it'd put them in the sights of the US, because they play this game of throwing around accusations and claiming unfair treatment from authorities and specific politicians/police officers etc... all the time.

Also, cartels rely on forcing people to work for them, to the extent where they're notorious for raiding rehab clinics, rounding up loads of methheads and then sending them on suicide missions. They also extort and threaten local businesses into providing them with money and services. If some asshole who worked for a cartel gets blown away while carrying a debt to that cartel, often times their family, who want nothing to do with crime, get forced into doing jobs to clear the debt. What I'm getting at with all this is that designating targets in itself is a huge grey area that is wide open for abuse and could easily lead to bad mistakes that will turn the country against the US (Bad mistakes that cartels will undoubtedly try and trick them into, much like how Hamas will human shield their operations with innocents)

Plus the glowies have been working with and outright supporting various cartels through the entire history of the cartels. Inevitably the US will start playing favourites and abusing their power, which will just make some cartels stronger. Inevitably they'll kill genuinely innocent people too, along with cartel guys who are 'technically' innocent. It'll be a game of whack a mole where anyone they kill will be quickly replaced, and they'll be back to square one of having favoured cartels who they'll protect and allow to operate on the understanding they won't make a scene. No way can the US be trusted not to abuse these powers for their own ends.

Some cartels are highly visible and militarized (Like CJNG and CDN) while others are highly secretive and low key (Modern day BLO, Los Cuinis). There are a ton of different cartels with different profiles. For example they are often made up of hick farmers pretending to be autodefensas (Civilian anti-cartel militia who often just become full blown cartels or at least start resembling them). In this environment, it's inevitable some cartels will get blitzed while others remain completely under the radar.

It could end this era of cartel militarization and force them into working far more discreetly as they did back in the day, and tbh this could bring new alliances and factions as cartels have to start working closer together to avoid this extra US scrutiny. With greater solidarity within these organizations since they can't just go to war and act out in public when that could catch them drone strikes or whatever. Cartels are more than capable of staying out of view and keeping their work hidden without really engaging in the kind of open warfare you see from the likes of CJNG. There are cartels who have been very very quietly doing major business for years and years while largely avoiding headlines, all through this current post-Zetas era where other cartels operate as standing armies and prioritize expanding territory. This system essentially punishes the dumber cartels who like big public displays of power, and rewards cartels who prefer not to be seen at all, and encourages everyone to move towards that latter model

tbh I see lots of problems even beyond the ones I've said here but I know I am waffling already. It would quickly descend into chaos and the Mexican populace will turn against it with the quickness IMO. The only way it could succeed is if they had a super-cooperative Mexican Government, Justice System and Police/Military, all of which are compromised by the cartels to some extent
 
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tbh I see lots of problems even beyond the ones I've said here but I know I am waffling already. It would quickly descend into chaos and the Mexican populace will turn against it with the quickness IMO. The only way it could succeed is if they had a super-cooperative Mexican Government, Justice System and Police/Military, all of which are compromised by the cartels to some extent
If there's one thing we should have learned from Iraq (and Vietnam), it's that having an overwhelming force means nothing in the face of insurgency if you're not willing to go scorched earth. Force is only going to get you so far against an enemy that blends in with the populace.

I am so sick of living next to such a shithole country that I'm ready for total scorched earth policy. But our government always thinks they're going to win hearts and minds.
 
Sure, low level guys who do the dirty work and can be seen in public in tacticool waving AR-15's around will be slapped around, but there have been numerous times major cartel guys have been captured by the authorities only to get any case against them thrown out.
I seem to recall the cartels started rioting and raising hell after Mexican feds took one of El Chapo's sons into custody, and the government released him to get them to stop.

(And the Federales who conducted the raid were subsequently doxed by the bodycam footage, then hunted down and murdered).
 
I seem to recall the cartels started rioting and raising hell after Mexican feds took one of El Chapo's sons into custody, and the government released him to get them to stop.

(And the Federales who conducted the raid were subsequently doxed by the bodycam footage, then hunted down and murdered).


Yeah it's true, it's what is known as the Culiacanazo. The authorities arrested El Raton (One of El Chapo's son) and so the Sinaloa cartel showed up in force and threatened to start killing innocent people unless he was released, with many skirmishes breaking out and some government forces being taken hostage


4 years later though, in 2023, the authorities did successfully capture El Raton and quickly extradited him to the US. There was violence in the wake of this but thankfully it didn't get that out of control (By cartel standards)

The capture of El Raton, I suppose you could call the catalyst of all the drama that happened last year, where another one of El Chapo's sons (Joaquin) sold out El Mayo (Legendary leader of another powerful Sinaloa Cartel faction) to US authorities. Allegedly to get himself and El Raton deals from the glowies. And now you have a civil war within the Sinaloa cartel between Los Chapitos (El Chapo's Sons/his former faction) and La Mayiza (El Mayo's faction, now led by his son). Relevant to this thread, it's always been said the Mexican government and Sheinbaum are pissed at the US for cutting this deal with Joaquin and capturing El Mayo. Maybe because they were in bed with El Mayo (Highly probable) or just because it has caused this civil war, or both.
 
There are probably some farmers here from south of the border that can go into detail about this better than I can, but that's the basic gist of it. I fully expect to see her dead or deposed in the next six months.
She's just a typical (((feminist))) that can't stand a man calling her out when she's wrong or when he have a different idea or opinion, and that's a recurring thing since she was in charge of Mexico City. Besides, when the last elections happened, the strongest candidates, as in, pushed by the heavyweight parties, were women. Making it more obvious that they were picked out for a reason.
 
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Shalom, Mexicanos! She's offering the Mexican deportees a prepaid card with $2,000 pesos (around $100 bucks) on it and a ride back home in order to get comfy. Needless to say, everyone down there is upset over this announcement. At least the anti-((Sheinbaum)) memes get under her skin. There were a ton of memes about her allegedly forcing circumcisions, which spread so quickly that the media had to step in, debunking and denouncing them as false.
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Has Mexico ever thought, you know, that maybe having a lawless country run by criminals is a bad idea? If anything, you would think instead of this weird attempt at playing mediator between the cartels and feds; she should be begging the USA to stop in and just create a desolate hellscape where shacks used to be.
 
There are cartels way past Mexico.

I wouldn't be shocked if latin America was one big cartel russian nesting doll from north to south.

That's the end game boss Trump needs to defeat.
 
There are cartels way past Mexico.

I wouldn't be shocked if latin America was one big cartel russian nesting doll from north to south.

That's the end game boss Trump needs to defeat.
I think the only place not taken over by cartels is Argentina. Uruguay is basically Argentina anyways. El Salvador?
 
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