🍗 Deathfat Tess Holliday / Ryann Maegen Hoven - Beached Landwhale model, Body positive and social justice snacktivist, and gigantic fraud

How much does Ryann weigh?

  • 300-350lbs (Panda Bear)

    Votos: 27 1.0%
  • 350-400lbs (Bull Caribou)

    Votos: 147 5.3%
  • 400-450lbs (Heart of a Blue Whale)

    Votos: 385 13.8%
  • 450-500lbs (Pigmy Hippo)

    Votos: 560 20.1%
  • 500-550lbs (Domestic Pig)

    Votos: 424 15.2%
  • 550-600lbs (Baby Grand Piano)

    Votos: 334 12.0%
  • 600-650lbs (Vending Machine)

    Votos: 206 7.4%
  • 650+ (A Fucking Planet)

    Votos: 705 25.3%

  • Total de votantes
    2,788
The Italians are all thieving bastards too, especially when it comes to ripping off tourists.

The scamming and grifting in Italy is next level, especially for Europe. Which is a shame, because it’s a beautiful country with a rich history, just one plagued with a lot of bullshit like that (especially in the big cities). As much as I loved my visit and would go back again, it is something to watch out for that can get exhausting fast.

Even if she’s not pickpocketed from being so fat that she doesn’t notice or feel someone getting into her belongings, I can see her falling into a scam or rip off in some other way while over there. Most of them are pretty obvious like the flower or bracelet scam, but you still have to sometimes actively get away from them if they keep following you despite all the dodging. At least Tess is so selfish that she won’t donate to beggars that are either trafficked people that have had limbs chopped off or gypsies so that she can brag about how charitable she is on TikTok.

It’s in Tess’s favor that she’s going through a tour company. She won’t be as susceptible to unsolicited “skip the line” scams. There are legitimate skip the line services, but you have to book in advance. Same with a tour bus. I have no idea how she would do getting into a taxi regardless of if she didn’t get a guy that drove out of his way to run a bill double or more what it should be.

And not quite scams, but important to note:

Many places, even in Rome, only accept cash or will close at random times. Despite being one of the busiest cities on Earth it can shut down completely in the center at night save for an airport shuttle or two.

Between everything mentioned, I don’t see how Tess would enjoy Italy unless she ate in her hotel room the whole time. She will be miserable. Can’t wait for the inevitable bitching.
 
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The scamming and grifting in Italy is next level
It's not that way all over Italy - it's just a very torn country because of how divided it is. I'd recommend "Making Democracy Work" by Robert Putnam to fully understand the situation there. It was published thirty years ago (and they started the study fifty years ago), but it still applies. It's very where you go.
 
It's not that way all over Italy - it's just a very torn country because of how divided it is. I'd recommend "Making Democracy Work" by Robert Putnam to fully understand the situation there. It was published thirty years ago (and they started the study fifty years ago), but it still applies. It's very where you go.

Alright, I don’t know how bad it is in say, Milan or Sicily. Fair. If you go to the biggest tourist areas in Rome especially, however, the grifting is rampant. Naples was ironically not as bad in my experience considering its reputation, albeit we mostly stayed at/around Vesuvius and fucked back to Rome before dark. I loved seeing the historical and religious buildings and art, eating some really good food, etc, but it was a constant hassle because we couldn’t even climb the Spanish Steps or cross the street by the Colosseum without some African or old man trying to shove shit into our hands no matter how much we ignored them. Italy is certainly an adventure. Just important to keep in mind since I doubt it’ll improve any time soon with how fucked the government is at the moment.

Tying this to Tess, I noticed that the actual tour details were not posted in thread. The tour is organized by a company named Stellavision that specializes in “feminist travel.” The actual trip is called “Secret Southern Italy: a Size Inclusive Journey to the South.”

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(Tour page archive)

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As women, our relationships to our bodies can be an ongoing journey. Our self image can factor into every decision we make, everywhere we show up in this world - including on vacation. But here at Stellavision, we believe your body should NOT be an impediment to a spectacular holiday. As a pivotal figure in the movement towards a more inclusive fashion industry, Tess uses her platform to promote diversity, challenge conventional beauty standards, and inspire positive change, ensuring that fashion celebrates everyone. And so should travel!

This is a special edition of our flagship Secret Southern Italy tour, co-hosted by body positivity pioneer, Tess Holliday. Our trip was created to gather a community of like-minded women and experience culture, cuisine and curated seaside experiences together! We’ve added some very special programming to our itinerary specifically designed to ground us in our bodies and celebrate the way our senses connect us to Il Bel Paese. Starting in the Eternal City and journeying through the undiscovered South, you’ll see, smell, hear, taste and touch the authentic Italy. As we celebrate you and each other.

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Meet Tess.

Pioneering body positivity activist, Diversity & Inclusion Consultant and international model Tess Holliday barely needs an introduction, but it’s our privilege to give her one. From her representation in magazines and campaigns, to her collaboration with retailers like H&M to increase the options of size inclusive styles, and recently with a new filter on Pinterest that allows you to search by body type - there’s no question that Tess has changed the visibility and opportunities for plus size women across industries. It is her outspoken commitment to inclusion that have made us longtime fans of hers and we’re effing thrilled to be saying #effyourbeautystandards (her hashtag!) alongside her in Italy this summer as Tess embarks on her own first solo trip to co-host our beloved Size Inclusive route.

Not only is Tess advertised as a co-host, but you can also look at the itinerary and see that they’re charging almost $7000 for what is essentially an eight day food tour

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Day 1: Rome​

You’ll check into our city-chic hotel at your leisure where you’ll find some Stellavision surprises waiting for you. Then we’re kicking things off in high style - with an aperitivo by some of Rome’s best bartenders. This is your first introduction to the celebrated Italian tradition of the aperitivo hour, but far from your last. And it’s not just about booze - throughout the trip you can expect regional snacks, meats and cheeses to pair with your classic cocktail, prosecco or refreshing mocktail. Welcome. A little walking tour from our favorite piazza through Rome’s Jewish Ghetto takes us to dinner where you’ll get to know our small group, Tour Guide and Photographer over a traditional Roman feast. Then the night is yours - but we’re furnishing you with the Stellavision guide to choose-your-own-adventure: our favorite evening walks and nighttime vistas as well as underground cocktail spots and wine bars.

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Day 2: Rome​

Look. We wouldn’t bring you to Rome without showing off the Eternal City. But at Stellavision, we take you behind the tourist barrier and introduce you to amazing women you’d never ordinarily meet. So we’re taking a walking tour through Rome’s most historic neighbourhood to learn how women figured into the capitol’s monuments and moments. The pace is slow as we hop from shaded nook to a coffee break overlooking one of the city’s best views, all the while telling you the stories of our feminist Rome and enjoying epic lookouts over the Capitoline Hill. After lunch you’ll have some free time in the afternoon (which we can help you plan) before we reconnect for a show-stopping moment. Internationally-acclaimed and Rome-based Soprano, Courtney Mills, has performed across the globe in leading opera houses. Tonight, we have the privilege of a private concert. (We told you we’d devote a moment to each of your senses!) Then, we’re rejecting a touristy dinner in favor of a Roman Dinner Party. A few of our friends will be joining us as we dine in the secret garden of a chic, women-owned restaurant tonight. Phew! We had to exceed the word limit just to share all that excitement!

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Day 3: Matera​

We cover quite a few miles to show you (and feed you) the variety that Italy has to offer! From regional pasta shapes to cultural traditions, this tour is all about experiencing the many incredible facets of Italy - especially the ones that tourists overlook in favor of the well-known destinations. So buckle up for a bit of a road trip in true Stellavision style. This morning we depart Rome (in our private, air-conditioned bus) and head towards the province of Basilicata. Where we would not make you wait ONE MORE moment before enjoying a quintessential trip-to-Italy experience: wine tasting. We’ll tour the vineyard of an accomplished, female vintner And while your tastebuds may take the lead, Elena will share the true art of wine tasting… which begins with your nose! You’ll sharpen your olfactory senses before having a show-cooking lunch in Elena’s wine cellars. A short drive later, we’ll arrive at our traditional Masseria hotel outside Matera before dusk - aka there will be time for you to enjoy the pool and the modern art installed alongside it. After a road-tripping day we’ll enjoy deluxe dinner at the hotel before a special evening activity under the night skies.

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Day 4: Matera​

After Rome & the road, you deserve some R&R! It’s time for that quintessential Italian pastime: prendere il sole - sunbathing and swimming. We’ve arranged a picnic lunch for you, poolside. As the day begins to cool off, we’re off for a gelato break (obviously) and to explore the third-oldest city in the world - Matera. And you will Never. See anything else. Like it. Described as ‘one of the most unique landscapes in Europe’, a local guide will take us through the Sassi, the town’s ancient cave complexes where you’ll encounter everything from religious frescoes and grottoes to modern art museums in the 2019 City of Culture (and location in the recent ‘James Bond’ film). We’ll sample a local Basilicata specialty over aperitivo in (and we can’t believe we’re typing this) a chic cave turned bar. Emerging from our cavernous cocktail, we’ll have a formal and delicious dinner al fresco, under the stars of the ancient town. Matera is otherworldly. It is quite literally pre-historic. And as the bells ring out over the quiet (no cars!) night, you’ll know you’ve experienced a part of Italy most tourists haven’t even heard of.

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Day 5: Puglia​

After yesterday’s cultural exploration, this morning we turn the focus to that other thing Italians do impeccably. Food. We’re crossing a provincial border to link up with Vito, the star of the Southern Italian cheese scene (yup, that’s a thing). We’ll have a hands-on demonstration and make our own burrata in his cheese caseificio (dairy), head to the historic forno (bakery) in time to partake in the day’s baking before gathering our treats (as well as some contributions from his nonna) to have a thoroughly instagrammable picnic lunch and cheese tasting in the forest of Altamura. After our culinary adventure we’ll check into our next hotel, located smack in the middle of the olive groves the region is famous for. One (optional) costume change later, we’re headed to la cittá bianca - the White City of Ostuni - for the night. One of the most stunning places in Southern Italy, we’ll take in the labyrinth of Gothic, Romanesque and Byzantine architecture, the views to the sea and enjoy regional dishes for dinner at our favorite spot - best vibes in town.

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Day 6: Puglia​

After some heady road-tripping days, this morning starts slow. You’ll have time to sleep-in, have a morning swim in a pool overlooking the sea, use the hotel spa facilities or take a taxi to the charming local town of Locorotondo! After your free-time mattina, we’re taking you to the indulgent beach club. The time has arrived to acquaint yourself with the Adriatic Sea. Soft sand? Turquoise water? Absolutely. Four-poster beds and ordering gourmet snacks to your lettino?* That too! After many blissful swimming hours, we’ll head to a UNESCO World Heritage site to see the almost-offensively picturesque Trulli. These traditional structures are found only in Puglia and their ancient graffiti ties them not just to major world religions but runes and magic as well. What can we say? We love to see the inclusivity. After squeezing in every last drop of daylight, dinner tonight is in fine Italian summer form: family-style, home-cooked and late!

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Day 7: Puglia​

This morning we journey to the picturesque Pugliese town: Polignano a Mare. We’ll visit the best gelato shop, see the Poetic Staircase and take in one of Southern Italy’s most coveted views. Then you’ll have some free time to explore, take a dip from the iconic pebble beach or (pending your departure date) get that pre-flight Covid test. We meet back up in time to head out into the Adriatic Sea. Lunch is on board our private Catamaran boat. Your eyes will feast even more than your stomach as we explore the many coves and caves of the limestone coastline. Of COURSE we will drop anchor several times to swim in pristine, secluded spots, only reachable by boat. As day turns to dusk, we’ll get our land legs back for a super-special, final group dinner. Hovering over the ocean, we’ll dine at a delicious seafood restaurant. Savour the freshest catch (or non-fish options if you prefer), the Italian vino, the sea air and the newfound friends who share your memories of Southern Italy.

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Day 8: Caserta & Rome​

As we travel back to Rome, we’ll be making the ultimate road-trip pit-stop for pizza & a palace. Pretty epic, right? Deep in Campania, the region that invented the globe’s favorite food, we’ll be having lunch at the restaurant voted best pizza in the world - NBD. Dubbed the ‘Versailles of Italy’, we’ll next head to Reggia di Caserta where a local guide will be sharing its many secrets with us. On a road-trip you need to stop and stretch your legs. Well, we got you to the tune of 1200 rooms to explore! And the gardens are even more spectacular. (Don’t worry, we kid. We’ll be seeing the highlights and hitching a ride to the furthermost corner of the magnificent gardens.) As our last excursion comes to a close, we’ll return to Rome for fond farewells. We’re honestly tearing up a little already.

With a drop-off point in central Rome this evening, the tour will end. But from hotel recommendations and Stellavision rates to more tips to explore our hometown or beyond, we’re here to finesse your final day/s in Italy. Until next time, we’ll leave you with an effusive Italian goodbye: Ciao amici, ciao amori, tanti baci!!!

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The company also had this to say about how strenuous the trip will be for the guests.

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What will the experience be like?​


This trip will be full of incredible Italian experiences and places, new friends and memories. But we cannot and won’t suggest that this is a trip that will make you forget about your size/appearance. It may, in fact, call attention to it for yourself or others (because it will likely be a topic of conversation and - when a group of beautiful women walk into a room - people notice!)
From our itinerary to logistical planning, whatever is in our power to control - we have. But the world isn’t always considerate of marginalized bodies and Southern Italy is not the most progressive place. We wish it weren’t so. But travel is often about going beyond your comfort zone and we can think of no better community to do so with than this one.
Whatever we are empowered to do to make your time perfetto, we will. As for the rest - you will have our unwavering support throughout - logistical and emotional.

Physical Demands & Mobility​


At this stage, Stellavision Travel is not equipped to support travelers with mobility challenges. This is something we are working towards as our company grows. Please read the Booking Terms and Conditions for full details.

This is not a physically demanding trip but July in Italy is extremely hot. In many of the small towns we visit, there will be small-to-medium inclines as we walk around at a slow pace. The longest duration of walking activities is approximately 2 hours and on these occasions the pace will be slow and there will be hydration & rest breaks. In the town of Matera, there are a number of concrete stairs (some steep) in the Sassi which we’ll be walking up and down at a slow pace, stopping to explore with our Guide. There will be the opportunity to diverge from the tour if you’d prefer to wait with one of our Hosts in a central piazza and reconnect afterwards or explore Matera at your own pace.

Is that Tess two hours of walking or average person?

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The company also had this to say about how strenuous the trip will be for the guests.
Lmao, they are warning them in advance that they will be made fun of and they will have a difficult time hoofing it around.

I mentioned earlier that I was once on tours in Europe that involved fatgirls and they were a huge pain in the ass. They loudly complained about having to go to various tourist locations that are obviously not designed for their girth. So they inevitably just hung out by sitting on various benches and others claimed to be sick and stayed at their hotel room during the day and needed special accommodations to be driven to when it was time to eat, where suddenly their various maladies went away. They had perpetually pissed off looks on their faces.

These places are hundreds of years old and aren’t made for fat people. Most fatties would rather just eat unlimited breadsticks at Olive Garden or eat a large pizza themselves and call it good for the Italian experience. I don’t know what fattie would be dumb enough to go to Italy. Only Tubby Tess would be dumb enough to get involved.
 
"Emotional support" So when a based italian calls them fatasses, the tour guides will be there to pat them on the shoulder, feed them bon bons and tell them that skinny bitch was probably juat totes jelly and wished she was a beautiful goddess like them?

Also.. what is a woman? Have they defined that on their website? :)
 
Honestly, this tour sounds like a better deal than Corissa’s Fat Camp, though fatties might prefer just sitting around a pool to walking around in southern Italy in July.

Not sure why they need a separate tour for fats - according to Tess, fat people are just as healthy and capable as normal sized people!

I also laughed at the itinerary. Two whole break days planned, going from food activity to food activity. Honestly, if I were fat and barely mobile, I’d consider doing this tour.

Thanks for sharing, that was great.
 
My Kiwi frens, please listen to me when I tell you that if you're travelling in Italy, the farther south you go, the more you'll get scammed. Southerners scam northerners, you really think they won't try to scam a foreigner? Of course they bloody will.

Word of advice, if you ever do feel absolutely ripped off you can call guardia di finanza, it's the police branch that deals with financial scams, customs etc., and they are absolutely hated and feared by almost anyone. Put the fear of god into scammers' heart, call 117 I say and fuck those cunts in the arse.

At any rate, I can't wait to see Tess and the other fatties hurple around Italy. To be honest I'm curious to see how much they'll be able to stuff their faces as it'so fucking hot you don't even get that hungry.

I don't check the thread often but if you need any help with translating just @ me.
 
I had the bracelet scam done to me in Milan, about 15 years ago. It reinforced my belief that I shouldn't let strangers anywhere near me. They won't be able to fit those crappy bracelets round Tess's wrist so she might be immune to that one though I imagine she'd be taken in by a brown man complimenting her without physically attaching something to her.

Sounds super stressful, closer to what I've found in Egypt (where I resorted to shouting at people more than once) than other places in Europe, maybe I don't want to go to Rome after all.
 
The thought of Tess landing in Southern Italy is wrong on so many levels. Even as soon as you're out of an airport in Italy you're aware of how well dressed and healthy people look. Last time I was there I binned the entire contents of my suitcase and bought new clothes from Italian stores. I just felt horribly under-dressed and too casual - kind of inappropriate for Italian society. People there are generally immaculate and slim. A heavily tattooed, greasy, loud ham planet dressed in a tarp is going to utterly repel Italians.

And yes everything is narrow/steep/compact there. Hotel rooms are generally tiny, elevators/lifts are only designed for regular people to travel one or two at a time - like a vertically moving broom cupboard in some hotels. Restaurant tables and chairs are small to fit as many in as possible.

It's almost like Tess and Anna are trying to outdo themselves with their latest arcs. Wonderful.
 
I live in a country popular with Western tourists, and especially now with a crap currency. This country is also brutal to fatties, involves lots of walking, has small public spaces, few benches, and lots of people who will comment on weight like it’s no biggie.

I love seeing Internet posts from fatties whom come here and complain that Country is “not accommodating to fat bodies” — as if this place needs to change for people who don’t exist among the local populous. They whine about not fitting in toilets, which would be a wake up call to normal folk.

tl;dr this trip is gonna be full ego death to Tess, even if random, gullible ladies are fawning all over her
 
From what I know, Italy has similar weather to California this time of year, she lives in So Cal so she for sure is going to have a lovely time...:biggrin:
How much time does she spend outdoors though on an average day in California? She probably lives in a place with good air-conditioning. The only places she goes are restaurants or clubs which are also usually air-conditioned afaik. She travels everywhere by car, parking right in front of places because we all know she ain't walking more than like 1000 steps a day. The only movement we have seen her do is at the gym.
In Italy she won't be able to get everywhere by car. IF she can, there is a longer walk because she won't be able to park in front of touristy places. Air-conditioning in public transport is kind of a crapshot - sometimes there is, sometimes there isn't. And while places like museums have air-conditioning, you can't visit, like, the Capitol or the Leaning Tower in an air-conditioned bubble. Authentic restaurants are often in old parts of cities that have no car infrastructure.
So yes, the weather might be similar, but I just cannot imagine that she will be able to deal with it the exact same way. The infrastructure for that just won't be there.
 
The scamming and grifting in Italy is next level, especially for Europe. Which is a shame, because it’s a beautiful country with a rich history, just one plagued with a lot of bullshit like that (especially in the big cities). As much as I loved my visit and would go back again, it is something to watch out for that can get exhausting fast.
And don't forget the panhandling gypsies! When I was in Rome there was a little fountain that people threw coins into. There was a gypsy lady hovering over it and unabashedly snatched the coins as they were thrown in. They're also known for pickpocketing and walking up and down the aisle on the metro with a baby in their arms looking for handouts from tourists.

In Italy she won't be able to get everywhere by car. IF she can, there is a longer walk because she won't be able to park in front of touristy places. Air-conditioning in public transport is kind of a crapshot - sometimes there is, sometimes there isn't. And while places like museums have air-conditioning, you can't visit, like, the Capitol or the Leaning Tower in an air-conditioned bubble. Authentic restaurants are often in old parts of cities that have no car infrastructure.
Absolutely. A lot of walking is required. Also, long lines for tourist attractions. And the only fast food places I saw were in train stations (catering to fat tourists). I traveled with a friend who is by no means a deathfat but is somewhat overweight. She was miserable, insisting we take taxis everywhere instead of walking and you should have seen the look a waiter gave her when she asked for ketchup.
 
How much time does she spend outdoors though on an average day in California? She probably lives in a place with good air-conditioning. The only places she goes are restaurants or clubs which are also usually air-conditioned afaik. She travels everywhere by car, parking right in front of places because we all know she ain't walking more than like 1000 steps a day. The only movement we have seen her do is at the gym.
In Italy she won't be able to get everywhere by car. IF she can, there is a longer walk because she won't be able to park in front of touristy places. Air-conditioning in public transport is kind of a crapshot - sometimes there is, sometimes there isn't. And while places like museums have air-conditioning, you can't visit, like, the Capitol or the Leaning Tower in an air-conditioned bubble. Authentic restaurants are often in old parts of cities that have no car infrastructure.
So yes, the weather might be similar, but I just cannot imagine that she will be able to deal with it the exact same way. The infrastructure for that just won't be there.
Well, you remember those pics from when she took Bowie to Disneyland? That will be her the whole time she's in Italy.
 
She’s so happy the app calls her 18-25, but it also called her couch angry so I’m not convinced of its reliability.

She’s right about spanking. She’s wrong about LA. Fucking traffic filled homeless camp dump and you couldn’t pay me to live there.
 
She’s so happy the app calls her 18-25, but it also called her couch angry so I’m not convinced of its reliability.
I'd guess that's a joke filter, like a "do this age filter with meeeee baybeee" filter that calls obnoxious girlfriend A 18-25 and boyfriend B 600 years old so A can cackle at B and post it. But Tess has no one. So she mugs for filter validation with her ghost couch husband. TBH she probably does hump her couch.
 
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