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Study: Ram has the worst drivers of any auto brand​


While specific auto brands don’t make people worse drivers, it seems to be true that certain types of drivers gravitate toward different makes and models. A recent study from LendingTreefound that drivers of some brands rack up more accidents, DUIs, and other citations at much higher rates than others.

Ram drivers were the worst of the 30 brands LendingTree analyzed, with 32.90 incidents per 1,000 drivers between November 2022 and 2023. Only Tesla and Subaru came close, with 31.13 and 30.09 incidents, respectively. The 10 car brands with the most driving incidents in the study include:
  1. Ram
  2. Tesla
  3. Subaru
  4. Volkswagen
  5. Mazda
  6. BMW
  7. Lexus
  8. Infiniti
  9. Hyundai
  10. Toyota

Breaking things down further, Tesla drivers had the highest accident rates, followed by Ram and Subaru. The study also found that BMW drivers had the highest DUI rates, with almost twice the number of DUIs of the second-closest brand, Ram.

LendingTree analyzed tens of millions of QuoteWizard by LendingTree insurance quotes from Nov. 14, 2022, through Nov. 14, 2023, to determine the number of driving incidents per 1,000 drivers — gauging accidents, DUIs, speeding, and citations. It noted that Ram drivers had more speeding incidents than all other brands and said that the Ram 1500’s quick acceleration played a role.

Mercury, a brand out of business for more than a decade, had the safest drivers. Pontiac and Saturn, also dead for years, earned the second- and third-best spots on the list, perhaps because owners of those cars aren't driving them often, or are not filing insurance claims on them.

Beyond the meme potential here, there are real-world consequences to poor driving, and the brands most associated with it can carry higher insurance rates. Getting a DUI or having repeat traffic offenses are great ways to lose your license, and they can also lead to your insurer dropping your policy. Your driving behavior also has a far greater impact on the insurance rates you pay than the type of car you drive, however, as higher-risk clients pay much more on average than those with clean records.
 
What is with all these automotive threads? The elites really have to it out for motorists lately... anyway time to educate the people on Subaru...

my subaru forester and i will not be allowing your fat ass in for a road trip.

I mean this is sorta obvious stuff at play which the article mentions: Brands which are dead and don't have thousands of vehicles on the road were "the best drivers," BMW is for alcoholics, faggots in dodge trucks drive too fast to compensate for their strange penis envy, nothing super surprising. Considering Tesla's youth I'm surprised to see them this high on the list and that might be the only one that would highlight a point about the people driving them. Subarus are a good starter car for new drivers as they're fairly cheap, and will run themselves ragged as long as you're willing to do it. My family has had 3 Foresters and 1 Outback now with zero accidents. They're also one of the foreign companies that have manufacturing plants in the US so there's a ton of them on the roads now.

My Crosstrek would agree with you.

1 Commuters don't need a horizontally opposed engine and the accompanying $500 spark plug jobs. Everything is engine out or has to be done from the underside, they are horrible cars to work on.

2) They discontinued the STI and their offerings are all totally lame now. 100% lesbian brand except for the BRZ and it's still slow AF for the money.

3) Besides that Cobb got nuked by the EPA and now you can't do any of the fun shit to them.

4) The head gaskets go at ~100K and there are two of them (because horizontally opposed, enjoy).

5) AWD comes with a whole mess of differentials to go bad and more expensive tire changes.

6) Turbos aren't actually good on gas, they are just good at fooling the EPA by driving below boost RPM in mileage testing.


If you don't absolutely need the AWD because you live in fucking Vermont just buy a Mazda.
 
Whenever I am in the 3rd lane going 10+ over and passing every car and have to cuck to the middle lane at 5 under because a douchebro in a giant Dodge Ram is racing up my ass at 95mph, I imagine him screaming "GET OUT OF MY WAY, I HAVE A DODGE RAAAAAAAAAAM!!!!!!!!!" and probably doing that his whole drive.
Slow as shit in their shitty little hometowns they never left. Fast as fuck on highways to go buy crack. Lunar ceclipse headlights, It's the ram way.
 
Whenever I am in the 3rd lane going 10+ over and passing every car and have to cuck to the middle lane at 5 under because a douchebro in a giant Dodge Ram is racing up my ass at 95mph, I imagine him screaming "GET OUT OF MY WAY, I HAVE A DODGE RAAAAAAAAAAM!!!!!!!!!" and probably doing that his whole drive.
Add on that they may have lifted the vehicle too, making the size synonymous with monster trucks. Every time I have to get on the interstate and I’m going the limit on the right lane these faggots try to ride my ass without taking me to dinner first.
 
I think the author of this article confused "ram" with "Mopar" or Chrysler family vehicles, specifically Dodge, Jeep and Chrysler I work in the auto service field an I can swear on a stack of bibles sub 70 IQ niggers, LOVE Dodge and Jeep vehicles. I think even Null mentioned this, the challanger and charger are nigger-mobiles. Niggers love Jeep Wranglers and Jeep SUVs. The construction of these cars is absolute shit after 1995 I should mention. VW I believe, they are usually owned by stupid women and gay men who don't make a good living. I'm wondering why Audi is not on the list? People in Audi's drive terribly.
 
I think the author of this article confused "ram" with "Mopar" or Chrysler family vehicles, specifically Dodge, Jeep and Chrysler I work in the auto service field an I can swear on a stack of bibles sub 70 IQ niggers, LOVE Dodge and Jeep vehicles. I think even Null mentioned this, the challanger and charger are nigger-mobiles. Niggers love Jeep Wranglers and Jeep SUVs. The construction of these cars is absolute shit after 1995 I should mention. VW I believe, they are usually owned by stupid women and gay men who don't make a good living. I'm wondering why Audi is not on the list? People in Audi's drive terribly.
I bet they don’t have insurance though because this was based on insurance quotes.
 
How did Mercedes not make the list? Everyone I know who's been hit as a pedestrian was hit by a Mercedes driver, I've almost been hit by Mercedes drivers a bunch of times as a pedestrian. Nearly every close call I've had driving has been with a Mercedes.
 
  1. Ram = Fuck You Money Redneck
  2. Tesla = Fuck You Money Faggot
  3. Subaru = Fuck You Give Me Money Lesbian
  4. Volkswagen = Eurotrash and Environmental Hypocrites
  5. Mazda = MAAAHHHH ZUUUUDAAAAAA
  6. BMW = Big Mexican Woman Bouncing My Wangler Bringing My Win
  7. Lexus = Midlife Crisis/Used Car Salesman/Real Estate agent/anything financial related and possibly closeted Faggot.
  8. Infiniti = Buzz Lightyear Gets Passed Around Like An American Whore Too
  9. Hyundai = Down Syndrome Honda
  10. Toyota = Down Syndrome Hyundai
What my racists, hamsters self brain thinks.
 
Lol at Teslas being up there. Around me I see many with "please be patient student driver" stickers on them being driven by Pajeets.
 
Turbos aren't actually good on gas, they are just good at fooling the EPA by driving below boost RPM in mileage testing.
I've driven turbo and non-turbo of the same engine size (in this case, 2.0).
The turbo has about +8 mpg.
Not my fault you slam it off the line everywhere you go. Learn not to treat small town squares like the drag strip? :?:

Back to Dodge Ram:
When I last checked, they were the least expensive pickup to get used in 4 wheel drive by a country mile.
This means they're disproportionately represented in geographic areas where they're needed: e.g. harsh winter weather.
Next time you're in ski country, head out of the tourist areas to where the plebs live and go count the dodge rams.

The truck most used in the harshest driving conditions has the most accidents? say it aint so!
 
Última edición:
I've driven turbo and non-turbo of the same engine size (in this case, 2.0).
The turbo has about +8 mpg.
Not my fault you slam it off the line everywhere you go. Learn not to treat small town squares like the drag strip? :?:

A) Not all engines of the same size are created equally, compression ratio is a thing, as is RPM, cam configuration, etc. Futhermore the car itself, it's weight(city mpg), aerodynamics(highway mpg) and drive train (efficiency loss) all effect the MPG.

B) Again a turbo below boost is just a choked N/A engine... but if you are going to drive it below boost RPM then you might as well get a cheaper, lighter, simpler, easier to work on, more reliable N/A car.

They are good if you live in Colorado where the air is thin AF... and I don't hate turbo cars (although I will take displacement over boost any day, it will run cooler and you can always super charge it later if you decide to get into drag racing or w/e). I mostly just want to point out that Subarus are actually total shit on gas because of the AWD and that the sticker is a lie when it comes to practical driving.
 
I googled what they make and got this behemoth
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That's just fucking hideous.
 
1 Commuters don't need a horizontally opposed engine and the accompanying $500 spark plug jobs. Everything is engine out or has to be done from the underside, they are horrible cars to work on.

2) They discontinued the STI and their offerings are all totally lame now. 100% lesbian brand except for the BRZ and it's still slow AF for the money.

3) Besides that Cobb got nuked by the EPA and now you can't do any of the fun shit to them.

4) The head gaskets go at ~100K and there are two of them (because horizontally opposed, enjoy).

5) AWD comes with a whole mess of differentials to go bad and more expensive tire changes.

6) Turbos aren't actually good on gas, they are just good at fooling the EPA by driving below boost RPM in mileage testing.

You can also add:

7) Mandatory CVTs, and while they're not Nissan-tier levels of garbage, Subaru's CVT reliability is still iffy at best (the CVTs in the first years of the Ascent were prone to grenading), and even if it is reliable, it's still a CVT.
 
You can also add:

7) Mandatory CVTs, and while they're not Nissan-tier levels of garbage, Subaru's CVT reliability is still iffy at best (the CVTs in the first years of the Ascent were prone to grenading), and even if it is reliable, it's still a CVT.

Ahh yes the CVT, bane of modern automobiles. The sad thing is I liked the responsiveness of my Nissan rental and in theory a CVT can keep you at peak torque all day... but I know they don't last, I shudder at the thought of a transmission replacement at 65k. I had a WRX so the box was good aside from being a 5 speed w/ a stiff clutch. Also because of the AWD the wheels are never going to slip out of a dig and when you give it too much there goes the clutch plate.... and the best thing about AWD from a performance perspective is the launch.
 
This is a complete lie as exposed by Brandon Paddock.



Four days ago, LendingTree published an article on their website with the headline, “Ram, Tesla and Subaru Have the Worst Drivers, While BMW Drivers Have the Highest DUI Rates”. The article is published with the following disclaimer, but also highlights that it was edited by two LendingTree staffers, including their “managing editor for studies and surveys”.

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The article states as “key findings” claims such as:

  • “Ram has the worst drivers”
  • Mercury, a brand which hasn’t existed since 2010, “has the best drivers”
  • “Tesla drivers have the highest accident rate”
  • “BMW drivers have the highest DUI rate by a wide margin”

In addition to accidents, the article also includes rankings for “incidents” (as in the image above), which include a variety of citations such as speeding tickets and DUIs. They claim that BMW drivers have the highest rate of DUIs.

Seems like quite the scoop!

These results got picked up by wide variety of news outlets, most of which focused solely on Tesla. The first I saw was Forbes, but since then it’s been all over social media, EV blogs like Electrek, mainstream news sites like CNBC, local Fox affiliates, and even apparently was mentioned on TV programs including Jim Cramer’s show.

If the social media chatter is any indication, people are very interested in these results. Some seemed surprised by the findings - why is Subaru so high on this list? For others, it confirms their preconceptions - of course all the Tesla claims about their low accident rates must have been false all along. And nobody seems surprised by the idea that BMW drivers, who seem to be universally despised, are always driving drunk. It explains so much!

The problem? None of it is true, as a LendingTree spokesperson has now confirmed.

As of this writing, the LendingTree article still remains published and not retracted or corrected, and the same is true for all of the others as far as I can tell. One would hope this will change soon, though the holiday break may be delaying things. Or maybe it’s already old news and nobody cares if it was true? I guess we’ll see.

So, what exactly happened? Read on to find out.

Reasons for initial skepticism

When I first saw these claims, many things surprised me. First of all, as someone who’s written detailed analyses of NHTSA’s accident data, the results seem to be not only a stark contrast to all the data I’ve seen, but in many ways the exact opposite. This alone doesn’t mean their data is wrong, of course, but it certainly made me want to look closer.

I also thought it odd that the “safest” drivers were supposedly those of three long- discontinued car brands (Saturn, Pontiac, and Mercury). The data isn’t presented as absolute numbers, but rather as a rate, so even if these vehicles are rarely still in use, a properly conducted study should account for this. This told me that either something was fishy with this study, or some very interesting pattern had emerged here that warranted further investigation. Since you’re reading this, you can probably guess which turned out to be the case.

The “methodology”

Something else that immediately caught my eye was that the article says the data comes from insurance quotes. Some of the articles referencing this have misstated the source as being insurance claims, which would make a lot of sense as a way of tracking accident data. Though it wouldn’t make sense as a way of tracking traffic citations.

The article has a section at the bottom about its methodology, which says:

Researchers analyzed tens of millions of QuoteWizard by LendingTree insurance quotes from Nov. 14, 2022, through Nov. 14, 2023.
To determine the best and worst drivers by car brand, researchers calculated the number of driving incidents per 1,000 drivers by brand in every state. This main category included accidents, DUIs, speeding and citations. We examined the 30 brands with the highest number of quotes.
We looked at the four categories combined and individually. Our individual analyses don’t add to the driving incident total because of drivers with multiple incidents.
There’s also a list of included traffic citation types, but that’s it.

Once again, they say this is based on insurance quotes, and specifically those requested through LendingTree’s “QuoteWizard” online insurance shopping tool. But they still say that they “calculated the number of driving incidents per 1,000 drivers by brand”, which everyone seems to interpret as meaning they knew what brand of car you were driving when the incident occurred. I mean, they’d have to have some way of doing that, right?

Immediately I came up with a possible theory explaining what had happened here, and I felt pretty confident that I was right.

What I thought had happened

My theory was pretty straightforward:

  • LendingTree lets drivers request insurance quotes for a vehicle
  • When requesting a quote, drivers specify their accident and citation history, because this affects the rate they’ll be quoted
  • LendingTree tracks this data
  • Someone at LendingTree decided to perform an analysis of the data, looking at the accident and citation histories of people requesting quotes for different vehicle brands
  • Someone else misinterpreted the analysis and decided to write a blog post about it making claims not supported by that data
  • Lots of people, including many journalists, uncritically accepted the claims and parroted them, and in some cases even further embellished them
If I was right, then at no point along the way did anyone consult a data analyst, traffic safety researcher, or anyone with any ability at all to vet the claims. Surely a trustworthy news source wouldn’t publish such potentially damaging claims about vehicle manufacturers without vetting the data, right?

In case it’s still not clear to you why making claims like this would be problematic, let me give an example:

  • Let’s say you’ve been driving a Ford Fusion for 5 years
  • 4 years ago while driving your car, you got rear-ended
  • Sometime between November 2022 and November 2023, you decided to look at getting an electric car
  • Before buying, you want to know what it will cost to insure, so you search for “car insurance quotes” and end up at LendingTree’s site
  • You fill out their form and request a quote for a Tesla Model Y
You now have contributed to this data as a driver with an accident associated with Tesla. Or as the article falsely claimed, you are a “Tesla driver with an accident”. Even though you were driving a Ford when you had the accident.

After all, one of the main reasons people shop for car insurance is that they’re considering, buying, or recently bought a new car. In which case, their accident history has nothing to do with that car. Even if they were searching for insurance quotes for their current vehicle, that doesn’t mean any accidents or citations they’ve had in the past occurred while driving it. Indeed, for a new and rapidly growing brand like Tesla, it’s even more likely that a driver’s accident and citation records reflect driving in one or more prior cars they’d owned (or leased, or rented!).

I hope you can see the problem.

I won’t even get into other issues such as the non-representative sample, the fact that anyone can request a quote and put whatever information they want into the form (I personally did this a few weeks ago using this very tool while discussing the topic of high insurance rates, based on another LendingTree article about EVs being expensive to insure!), or the clearly poor data practices leading to long-dead car brands coming up as having the “safest drivers”.

Two days ago, when I published my latest review of Tesla safety data, which shows among other things that Tesla vehicles have among the lowest accident rates using high quality data sources (like NHTSA’s FARS database), I discussed this claim and my theory. At that time, though, I did not have confirmation that my explanation was correct.

Now I do.

The confirmation

Yesterday, I decided to e-mail Lora Kolodny at NBC, who ran one of the articles spreading these bogus claims. In her piece (which still remains unchanged!), she had a quote from a LendingTree spokesperson who helpfully answered a question about rental cars that I don’t think anyone asked (and for me, raised even more questions):

The researchers analyzed quotes from people looking to insure their own vehicles, and did not include accident or incident data involving drivers of rental cars, a spokesperson for LendingTree told CNBC by email on Tuesday.
I told Lora about my concerns and asked if she could help me get in touch with someone at LendingTree to clarify what they did and address my concerns. To my delight, she did exactly that.

Yesterday afternoon, I received the following e-mail from a Public Relations Manager at LendingTree:

Hi Brandon,
Lora Kolodny from NBC forwarded me your email regarding our recent study on driving behaviors by car brands. I spoke with my editorial team about your questions on our methodology.
You're correct that we can't know if the vehicle they're looking to get insurance for is the vehicle in which they had the driving incident. Ultimately, the people looking for auto insurance for a Tesla using QuoteWizard from Nov. 14, 2022, to Nov. 14, 2023, had the highest percentage of accident incidents. We made no claims about the safety of Teslas and/or the safety features of any other brand mentioned. Our study is solely about QuoteWizard users during the previously mentioned time frame, the brand of car they're looking to insure, and the driving incidents of those users.
I hope that helps clear up any questions you may have. Please let me know if there is anything else we can help answer.
Happy holidays,
<name> | LendingTree, LLC
Public Relations, Manager
Emphasis added

So, there we have it. Every claim made in their article and those echoing it is totally bogus. Somehow, nobody along the way decided to make even the most cursory attempt to vet these claims. I suspect if Tesla had not been at the top of the list, someone would have looked closer, or it wouldn’t have gotten much traction in the first place.

I’m not a lawyer, so I don’t know if LendingTree or anyone else is exposed to legal risk here. But I wouldn’t be surprised if LendingTree’s lawyers are having their holidays interrupted by some unpleasant phone calls this weekend.

Last night, I replied and asked the LendingTree PR person if they planned to post a retraction. I’ve not yet received a response.
 
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